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On July 07 2010 05:43 Barrin wrote:Show nested quote +So, here is the big reveal: They Do Not Want People Like You Posting.
A couple of posts under your real name on the official Blizzard forums will not hurt your career. I *know* this to be true. But several posts may. Hundreds or thousands will almost certainly have some effect.
But you will take your anonymous posting elsewhere. Which is EXACTLY what they want. They do NOT want people like you chattin' it up on their forums: they don't want you to spam, they don't want you to participate in gigantic discussions about how OP paladins are, they don't want you to flame anyone.
And so you will limit yourself to 1-5 harmless posts. Which is exactly what they want from you.
See? Uh... Ok. If you read their post (not that you should take it for granted), they clearly state that the main purpose of this change is that it *clearthroat* "will contribute to a more positive forum environment, promote constructive conversations, and connect the Blizzard community in ways they haven’t been connected before." promote constructive conversationspromote constructive conversationspromote constructive conversationspromote constructive conversationsThey want smart people in their forum bro.
Average people can contribute to constructive conversations, and they don't have to post dozens of times to do it. I doubt that everyone in the Proleague is a genius, they're just good at playing and understanding Starcraft.
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Honestly, who gives a crap? BNet forums are one step above talking to yourself.
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It's absurd that people find the need to hide their names.
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On July 07 2010 05:51 ikkyixo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 05:43 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 05:42 ikkyixo wrote:On July 07 2010 05:38 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 05:35 kajeus wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 07 2010 05:31 starcat wrote:
To people who do not think it is a big deal just dont get it.
Personally, i have been working at a law firm for a year or so as a lawyer. For those who are not aware, many firms and employers are accountable to the public. Auditors, lawyers, doctors, teachers, law enforcement, etc... are all publically accountable.
Anyone in these fields is already aware of the limits and restrictions about online conduct as anything you say or do will not only impact you as an individual, but the employer as well. Our facebook pages are bare, not all pictures can be posted, you need to be careful when making wall posts, etc. For me, i have no problem with this and i understand it.
Video games for these people are the only way they can interact with others anonymously. Such as I. I enjoy posting on message boards, and also did so on the beta forums. I find it helps me learn and help others, and i like the community aspect of it. And dont get me wrong, i enjoy the occasional flame or joke just like anyone else here.
The problem arises when I cannot even post anonymously anymore. As you can see, having my real name would impact what i can or cannot post since if my name is associated, my firm and profession is as well. If an auditor posts something that isnt the best thing (but very acceptable by our 'e-standards' we will very likely be punished for breach of the rules of professional conduct of the profession, and will likely result in your employer punishing you some way as well, and depending on the severity you may end up having your CA/CPA designation revoked because of it. Especially in the world we live in today where even jokes can get you in a lot of trouble.
Lots of people do not seem to understand that making everything we do relate to our real name, we lose a large part of our enjoyment, and at the end of the day will result in the opposite of what blizzard wants to achieve, thus is a bad idea. I will not be posting on the forums any more, and will post here instead.
Sure if you are a kid in high school, you really wont care about anything and will post wahtever you want, but if you have a job such as i, or any of the above jobs mentioned above, you will agree that real name association is not a good thing. Only the ignorant do not seem to understand this, and say "Oh i dont see the big deal?". Well, son, the big deal is that you are only hindering your own community, and hindering the overall game experience of the consumers.
Thanks. So, here is the big reveal: They Do Not Want People Like You Posting. A couple of posts under your real name on the official Blizzard forums will not hurt your career. I *know* this to be true. But several posts may. Hundreds or thousands will almost certainly have some effect. But you will take your anonymous posting elsewhere. Which is EXACTLY what they want. They do NOT want people like you chattin' it up on their forums: they don't want you to spam, they don't want you to participate in gigantic discussions about how OP paladins are, they don't want you to flame anyone. And so you will limit yourself to 1-5 harmless posts. Which is exactly what they want from you. See?  ... No, I don't see - they don't want articulate and intelligent posters? They don't get articulate and intelligent posters with the current system they have where people can attack anyone they want because of the protection of being anonymous. I make intelligent posts, and I will be grateful to post in their official forums when all the anonymous attacking by kids are kept at a bare minimum because they cannot hide behind aliases anymore. Or, they could moderate the forum. ... "connect the Blizzard community in ways they haven’t been connected before." This definitely will be the case, one way or another...... Not sure I'm a huge fan of the most likely ways this connection will manifest. Why hire people to moderate a forum that gets more traffic, 24/7 than most other forums on the next when you can resolve the root issue in one fell swoop? Those people who are having issues with this change are still going to buy their games, they just won't post in the forums. So what if you don't want to post in the official forums? You have other community sites to post in, which in turn promotes the community sites more. All those flamers and trollers will come to TL.net and will have their posts moderated. In the end, everyone except the trollers/flamers win. What's bad about that?
who says this will fix the problem at all? I mean surely knowing someone's real name wouldnt deter you from speaking your mind or trolling right?
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On July 07 2010 05:50 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 05:48 TOloseGT wrote:On July 07 2010 05:46 Serpico wrote:On July 07 2010 05:42 TOloseGT wrote:On July 07 2010 05:40 Serpico wrote:On July 07 2010 05:29 Auronz wrote:On July 07 2010 04:32 Offhand wrote:On July 07 2010 03:51 Mulloy wrote:On July 07 2010 03:48 Offhand wrote:
Mentioned this on another forum but no one took up the challenge. If you're cool with this change please include your first and last name, email address, bnet account name, and facebook profile.
In the meantime, you can get as much info as you want off the following hints: Offhand, United States.
Thanks! Michael David Mulloy II Gozoku@gmail.com http://www.facebook.com/#!/michael.mulloyHave fun? 27 years old. Married to a woman named Stephanie. Has a young daughter. Narrowed down to a few possible locations. Most likely you live in Orem Utah and attend school in West Valley. Otherwise, there's phone numbers for San Diego and Mountain View locations. The fact that you're the second helps, but that's nothing that couldn't be fixed with a phone call. And a few inferences. Politically aligned liberal. Most likely a goon. Keep in mind this is only what I've found in the past 10 minutes. A little bit of /effort or social engineering could get me a lot more. What'd you get using my information? So, what you gonna do now to him? Murder him in cold blood? Take a plane to do that? I bet nobody will. going from that principle, anybody could get annoyed at you in facebook or some other site and then murder you in cold blood because it always says where you live and your name in those social relation sites. Bnet is probably becoming a more honest place, and for the love of god, why the hell would you be ashamed of gaming? People have tracked others down online and murdered/assaulted them before. Your point is moot and its terrifying that announcing private info is so casual and ok with you. It's not people, it's individuals with an illness who tracks people down to murder them. Ordinary gamers are not psychos. .....the guy that stabbed another person was playing counterstrike. What proof do you have after making such an arbitrary claim? Maybe I didn't make myself clear. Ordinary gamers don't track their rivals down and kill them. In all aspects of life, you'll find those unstable individuals that can't handle the internet. Yes, so why the hell make it easier for someone to get to you when you can just hire more moderators?
I see your point, but just because it happened a couple of times since the advent of the internet doesn't mean there will suddenly be a rise in it because of B.net's policy. More likely nothing will change, except fewer people will post. I don't see how this and Facebook is any different.
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This must be the most unpopular idea Blizzard has came up with in a long time.
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Even Facebook has more privacy than this...
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On July 07 2010 05:53 RonNation wrote:
It's absurd that people find the need to hide their names.
I could not agree more. Be proud of who you are.
On July 07 2010 05:54 Integra wrote:
This must be the most unpopular idea Blizzard has came up with in a long time.
Search "chat channels"
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On July 07 2010 05:53 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 05:51 ikkyixo wrote:On July 07 2010 05:43 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 05:42 ikkyixo wrote:On July 07 2010 05:38 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 05:35 kajeus wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 07 2010 05:31 starcat wrote:
To people who do not think it is a big deal just dont get it.
Personally, i have been working at a law firm for a year or so as a lawyer. For those who are not aware, many firms and employers are accountable to the public. Auditors, lawyers, doctors, teachers, law enforcement, etc... are all publically accountable.
Anyone in these fields is already aware of the limits and restrictions about online conduct as anything you say or do will not only impact you as an individual, but the employer as well. Our facebook pages are bare, not all pictures can be posted, you need to be careful when making wall posts, etc. For me, i have no problem with this and i understand it.
Video games for these people are the only way they can interact with others anonymously. Such as I. I enjoy posting on message boards, and also did so on the beta forums. I find it helps me learn and help others, and i like the community aspect of it. And dont get me wrong, i enjoy the occasional flame or joke just like anyone else here.
The problem arises when I cannot even post anonymously anymore. As you can see, having my real name would impact what i can or cannot post since if my name is associated, my firm and profession is as well. If an auditor posts something that isnt the best thing (but very acceptable by our 'e-standards' we will very likely be punished for breach of the rules of professional conduct of the profession, and will likely result in your employer punishing you some way as well, and depending on the severity you may end up having your CA/CPA designation revoked because of it. Especially in the world we live in today where even jokes can get you in a lot of trouble.
Lots of people do not seem to understand that making everything we do relate to our real name, we lose a large part of our enjoyment, and at the end of the day will result in the opposite of what blizzard wants to achieve, thus is a bad idea. I will not be posting on the forums any more, and will post here instead.
Sure if you are a kid in high school, you really wont care about anything and will post wahtever you want, but if you have a job such as i, or any of the above jobs mentioned above, you will agree that real name association is not a good thing. Only the ignorant do not seem to understand this, and say "Oh i dont see the big deal?". Well, son, the big deal is that you are only hindering your own community, and hindering the overall game experience of the consumers.
Thanks. So, here is the big reveal: They Do Not Want People Like You Posting. A couple of posts under your real name on the official Blizzard forums will not hurt your career. I *know* this to be true. But several posts may. Hundreds or thousands will almost certainly have some effect. But you will take your anonymous posting elsewhere. Which is EXACTLY what they want. They do NOT want people like you chattin' it up on their forums: they don't want you to spam, they don't want you to participate in gigantic discussions about how OP paladins are, they don't want you to flame anyone. And so you will limit yourself to 1-5 harmless posts. Which is exactly what they want from you. See? ... No, I don't see - they don't want articulate and intelligent posters? They don't get articulate and intelligent posters with the current system they have where people can attack anyone they want because of the protection of being anonymous. I make intelligent posts, and I will be grateful to post in their official forums when all the anonymous attacking by kids are kept at a bare minimum because they cannot hide behind aliases anymore. Or, they could moderate the forum. ... "connect the Blizzard community in ways they haven’t been connected before." This definitely will be the case, one way or another...... Not sure I'm a huge fan of the most likely ways this connection will manifest. Why hire people to moderate a forum that gets more traffic, 24/7 than most other forums on the next when you can resolve the root issue in one fell swoop? Those people who are having issues with this change are still going to buy their games, they just won't post in the forums. So what if you don't want to post in the official forums? You have other community sites to post in, which in turn promotes the community sites more. All those flamers and trollers will come to TL.net and will have their posts moderated. In the end, everyone except the trollers/flamers win. What's bad about that? who says this will fix the problem at all? I mean surely knowing someone's real name wouldnt deter you from speaking your mind or trolling right?
Knowing the other person's real name isn't supposed to deter you from acting stupid, the fact that your posts are going to be attached to your real name is.
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The argument that someone is gonna track you down is ridiculous. The odds of that happening are so astronomically small that it's insignificant.
Still it has some real world implications.You lose privacy to 3rd parties. It may not matter that the other forum goers know your real name, but it's gonna be quite easy for an employer to see who is obsessed with World of Warcraft.
More importantly is it going to keep anyone from being an idiot on forums? There are 430+ people with my name in my medium sized state ALONE. Hell there's someone else on the same STREET as me with my same name. If I wanted to troll on a forum my real name being displayed isn't really going to be a deterrent. Hell even if you have my nick + real name it's not going to help. Googling for 'Logo' is very very difficult.
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On July 07 2010 05:54 TOloseGT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 05:50 Serpico wrote:On July 07 2010 05:48 TOloseGT wrote:On July 07 2010 05:46 Serpico wrote:On July 07 2010 05:42 TOloseGT wrote:On July 07 2010 05:40 Serpico wrote:On July 07 2010 05:29 Auronz wrote:On July 07 2010 04:32 Offhand wrote:On July 07 2010 03:51 Mulloy wrote:On July 07 2010 03:48 Offhand wrote:
Mentioned this on another forum but no one took up the challenge. If you're cool with this change please include your first and last name, email address, bnet account name, and facebook profile.
In the meantime, you can get as much info as you want off the following hints: Offhand, United States.
Thanks! Michael David Mulloy II Gozoku@gmail.com http://www.facebook.com/#!/michael.mulloyHave fun? 27 years old. Married to a woman named Stephanie. Has a young daughter. Narrowed down to a few possible locations. Most likely you live in Orem Utah and attend school in West Valley. Otherwise, there's phone numbers for San Diego and Mountain View locations. The fact that you're the second helps, but that's nothing that couldn't be fixed with a phone call. And a few inferences. Politically aligned liberal. Most likely a goon. Keep in mind this is only what I've found in the past 10 minutes. A little bit of /effort or social engineering could get me a lot more. What'd you get using my information? So, what you gonna do now to him? Murder him in cold blood? Take a plane to do that? I bet nobody will. going from that principle, anybody could get annoyed at you in facebook or some other site and then murder you in cold blood because it always says where you live and your name in those social relation sites. Bnet is probably becoming a more honest place, and for the love of god, why the hell would you be ashamed of gaming? People have tracked others down online and murdered/assaulted them before. Your point is moot and its terrifying that announcing private info is so casual and ok with you. It's not people, it's individuals with an illness who tracks people down to murder them. Ordinary gamers are not psychos. .....the guy that stabbed another person was playing counterstrike. What proof do you have after making such an arbitrary claim? Maybe I didn't make myself clear. Ordinary gamers don't track their rivals down and kill them. In all aspects of life, you'll find those unstable individuals that can't handle the internet. Yes, so why the hell make it easier for someone to get to you when you can just hire more moderators? I see your point, but just because it happened a couple of times since the advent of the internet doesn't mean there will suddenly be a rise in it because of B.net's policy. More likely nothing will change, except fewer people will post. I don't see how this and Facebook is any different.
Facebook is about talking to other people. Having your real name out there is the point as you want to keep in touch with people you already know. I dont go to blizzard forums to make friends, but to simply discuss something. You dont need to know me or possible have the ability to find out where I live to talk about why I think WOTLK was a worse expansion than burning crusade. It's crazy.
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On July 07 2010 05:55 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 05:53 RonNation wrote:
It's absurd that people find the need to hide their names. I could not agree more. Be proud of who you are. Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 05:54 Integra wrote:
This must be the most unpopular idea Blizzard has came up with in a long time. Search "chat channels"
Chat channels and this are no where near equal on the shit storm scale....
On the bright side, key loggers can just take info directly from the blizzard forum html!
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Yeah it's ridiculous you want to remain anonymous. On the internet. Where anyone can see who you are. -_-
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On July 07 2010 05:55 Spawkuring wrote:
Even Facebook has more privacy than this...
?????
Seriously, I don't get people at all. :D
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On July 07 2010 05:47 ghosthunter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 05:43 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 05:42 ikkyixo wrote:On July 07 2010 05:38 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 05:35 kajeus wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 07 2010 05:31 starcat wrote:
To people who do not think it is a big deal just dont get it.
Personally, i have been working at a law firm for a year or so as a lawyer. For those who are not aware, many firms and employers are accountable to the public. Auditors, lawyers, doctors, teachers, law enforcement, etc... are all publically accountable.
Anyone in these fields is already aware of the limits and restrictions about online conduct as anything you say or do will not only impact you as an individual, but the employer as well. Our facebook pages are bare, not all pictures can be posted, you need to be careful when making wall posts, etc. For me, i have no problem with this and i understand it.
Video games for these people are the only way they can interact with others anonymously. Such as I. I enjoy posting on message boards, and also did so on the beta forums. I find it helps me learn and help others, and i like the community aspect of it. And dont get me wrong, i enjoy the occasional flame or joke just like anyone else here.
The problem arises when I cannot even post anonymously anymore. As you can see, having my real name would impact what i can or cannot post since if my name is associated, my firm and profession is as well. If an auditor posts something that isnt the best thing (but very acceptable by our 'e-standards' we will very likely be punished for breach of the rules of professional conduct of the profession, and will likely result in your employer punishing you some way as well, and depending on the severity you may end up having your CA/CPA designation revoked because of it. Especially in the world we live in today where even jokes can get you in a lot of trouble.
Lots of people do not seem to understand that making everything we do relate to our real name, we lose a large part of our enjoyment, and at the end of the day will result in the opposite of what blizzard wants to achieve, thus is a bad idea. I will not be posting on the forums any more, and will post here instead.
Sure if you are a kid in high school, you really wont care about anything and will post wahtever you want, but if you have a job such as i, or any of the above jobs mentioned above, you will agree that real name association is not a good thing. Only the ignorant do not seem to understand this, and say "Oh i dont see the big deal?". Well, son, the big deal is that you are only hindering your own community, and hindering the overall game experience of the consumers.
Thanks. So, here is the big reveal: They Do Not Want People Like You Posting. A couple of posts under your real name on the official Blizzard forums will not hurt your career. I *know* this to be true. But several posts may. Hundreds or thousands will almost certainly have some effect. But you will take your anonymous posting elsewhere. Which is EXACTLY what they want. They do NOT want people like you chattin' it up on their forums: they don't want you to spam, they don't want you to participate in gigantic discussions about how OP paladins are, they don't want you to flame anyone. And so you will limit yourself to 1-5 harmless posts. Which is exactly what they want from you. See? ... No, I don't see - they don't want articulate and intelligent posters? They don't get articulate and intelligent posters with the current system they have where people can attack anyone they want because of the protection of being anonymous. I make intelligent posts, and I will be grateful to post in their official forums when all the anonymous attacking by kids are kept at a bare minimum because they cannot hide behind aliases anymore. Or, they could moderate the forum. ... "connect the Blizzard community in ways they haven’t been connected before." This definitely will be the case, one way or another...... Not sure I'm a huge fan of the most likely ways this connection will manifest. I'm willing to bet there are probably hundreds of posts made per second on the Bnet WoW forums, while SC2 probably will be more tame because it has a significantly lower base. I don't believe for a second that any number of moderators would be enough to do so, in fact only having a system where your comments would have to be approved before posting would be active enough since people like to be uncivilized when there's no stigma attached to what they say. And I've had 10 page threads calling me racial slurs and giving me death threats on the WoW forums, which took a good two days to get closed, so yeah, I'm kind of over the whole anonymity thing. You can do it on another forum (... Like 4chan) that supports it. Would you support the level of crap that goes on on the Bnet forums?
If the only alternative to the unadultered crap that is the Bnet forums is a complete lack of privacy, then yes.
This system means that the following groups of people cannot reasonably post:
- Famous people
- Women
- People in public or similiarly high profile employment
The first two will simply be completely swamped by idiots, the last one will risk getting in trouble.
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On July 07 2010 05:55 Spawkuring wrote:
Even Facebook has more privacy than this...
On the contrary, Facebook's default settings allow you to see your friend's friends. Your friends can at anytime post a picture of you and if they don't have certain privacy settings on, your face will be seen by many strangers, most of whom probably live in the same state as you.
Facebook even recommends potential friends to be added.
Honestly, I don't see the difference.
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On July 07 2010 05:53 RonNation wrote:
It's absurd that people find the need to hide their names.
I completely agree.
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On July 07 2010 05:56 Logo wrote:
The argument that someone is gonna track you down is ridiculous. The odds of that happening are so astronomically small that it's insignificant.
And yet it's happened before. Making real names available only makes it easier. It's absurd that you think privacy on the internet in longer a concern.
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Blizzard forums are one of the worst moderated i ever saw. I would not actively post/read there even without real name. Funny but also sad move ...
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On July 07 2010 05:55 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 05:53 RonNation wrote:
It's absurd that people find the need to hide their names. I could not agree more. Be proud of who you are. Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 05:54 Integra wrote:
This must be the most unpopular idea Blizzard has came up with in a long time. Search "chat channels"
ah yes be proud of who you are right? yes lets just say you are getting into a argue with someone on the battlenet forums? oh yes now he can track you down. even if you are proud of yourself other people might want to kill you.
anyway im going to call blizz on this and see what they have to say if they cant seem to think properly about this i will get a lawyer against blizzard
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