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Sweden33723 Posts
On July 07 2010 06:14 kajeus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 06:09 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 06:04 kajeus wrote:This system means that the following groups of people cannot reasonably post:
- Famous people
- Women
- People in public or similiarly high profile employment
The first two will simply be completely swamped by idiots, the last one will risk getting in trouble. This is so silly. How many famous people are going to visit the Blizzard forums? And how exactly are they going to be "swamped by idiots" in a non-anonymous forum environment? Do you really think women will have that big a problem? It's non-anonymous! Who's going to be a creeper, and who is going to post so much that it'll be significant anyway? People, we're not talking about a new Internet. We're talking about new Blizzard forums. Don't post there if you don't want to -- they probably don't want you posting there anyway. Stick to TL. 1) There are plenty of examples of famous people playing WoW etc. 2) http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/ammminal/stupidpeople.jpg My point was not that they don't play WoW. My point was that very few of them will have any desire to post on the official forums -- making them a very small percentage of the userbase, and not a huge source of concern. But I think it's safe to say that if Robin Williams were, for some reason, routinely harassed on the non-anonymous Blizzard WoW forums, he would be watched out for by moderators.
It's not even about being harassed - don't you think famous people would appreciate being anonymous in at least one aspect of their life? I know I would if I was that level of famous.
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On July 07 2010 03:27 Kishime wrote:
Who cares?
My name is Jim O'Hearn. Have at me!!!!
IMO, unless you are a complete troll who everyone hates, nobody is going to try to get your personal info or care what your name is.
Still waiting for any info about me.
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On July 07 2010 06:13 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 06:09 Petshop wrote:
I didn't get a chance to read everybody's reaction but personally I don't mind. I'm guessing the posts will be more constructive and less silly. I mean, it's your real name. People will have to respect each other more instead of being ethugs. Anybody else feel like this? Or am I way off?
Just my 2 cents.
edit: Vocab mistake Why should they respect you? How is having your real name a bad thing right? This is the flaw, blizzard is implying "dont talk crap with your real name or else." Is that how you want to run your forums? It's completely flawed. They're implying something might happen to me if people have my real name, why would they implement it to clean up the forums otherwise.
Sort of. They're implying that people behave badly when guaranteed anonymity. This is also documented by SCIENCE.
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Blame the trolls over there.
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On July 07 2010 05:36 kajeus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 05:34 baskerville wrote:On July 07 2010 03:27 Kishime wrote:
Who cares?
My name is Jim O'Hearn. Have at me!!!!
IMO, unless you are a complete troll who everyone hates, nobody is going to try to get your personal info or care what your name is. how bout your kid's name available worldwide? Man, I don't know if you're aware of the laws on things like this. Your kids can't just have their names revealed willy-nilly.
precisely my point... uhhhh ... sorry what was your point ?
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On July 07 2010 06:13 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 06:09 Petshop wrote:
I didn't get a chance to read everybody's reaction but personally I don't mind. I'm guessing the posts will be more constructive and less silly. I mean, it's your real name. People will have to respect each other more instead of being ethugs. Anybody else feel like this? Or am I way off?
Just my 2 cents.
edit: Vocab mistake Why should they respect you? How is having your real name a bad thing right? This is the flaw, blizzard is implying "dont talk crap with your real name or else." Is that how you want to run your forums? It's completely flawed. They're implying something might happen to me if people have my real name, why would they implement it to clean up the forums otherwise. YEAH! I totally agree, there should be NO consequences for someone saying ANYTHING they want to the internet!
Oh, wait, that's RETARDED.
If you lose a job because you posted in a child pedo forum somewhere, you probably deserved to lose your job. You won't lose your job because your employer looks you up and sees you post about how ZvP is unbalanced on the b.net forums.
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On July 07 2010 06:16 kajeus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 06:13 Serpico wrote:On July 07 2010 06:09 Petshop wrote:
I didn't get a chance to read everybody's reaction but personally I don't mind. I'm guessing the posts will be more constructive and less silly. I mean, it's your real name. People will have to respect each other more instead of being ethugs. Anybody else feel like this? Or am I way off?
Just my 2 cents.
edit: Vocab mistake Why should they respect you? How is having your real name a bad thing right? This is the flaw, blizzard is implying "dont talk crap with your real name or else." Is that how you want to run your forums? It's completely flawed. They're implying something might happen to me if people have my real name, why would they implement it to clean up the forums otherwise. Sort of. They're implying that people behave badly when guaranteed anonymity. This is also documented by SCIENCE.
Only because they think something will happen to them, so basically using fear to rule the forums. Nice one blizzard. Glad to see thats how you "clean up" your boards.
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On July 07 2010 06:15 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 06:14 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 06:09 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 06:04 kajeus wrote:This system means that the following groups of people cannot reasonably post:
- Famous people
- Women
- People in public or similiarly high profile employment
The first two will simply be completely swamped by idiots, the last one will risk getting in trouble. This is so silly. How many famous people are going to visit the Blizzard forums? And how exactly are they going to be "swamped by idiots" in a non-anonymous forum environment? Do you really think women will have that big a problem? It's non-anonymous! Who's going to be a creeper, and who is going to post so much that it'll be significant anyway? People, we're not talking about a new Internet. We're talking about new Blizzard forums. Don't post there if you don't want to -- they probably don't want you posting there anyway. Stick to TL. 1) There are plenty of examples of famous people playing WoW etc. 2) http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/ammminal/stupidpeople.jpg My point was not that they don't play WoW. My point was that very few of them will have any desire to post on the official forums -- making them a very small percentage of the userbase, and not a huge source of concern. But I think it's safe to say that if Robin Williams were, for some reason, routinely harassed on the non-anonymous Blizzard WoW forums, he would be watched out for by moderators. It's not even about being harassed - don't you think famous people would appreciate being anonymous in at least one aspect of their life? I know I would if I was that level of famous.
Then Robin Williams can either phone Blizzard directly and set up a special anonymity deal, receive individual 1-on-1 tech support, or post somewhere else.
I think everyone is just taking this too literally and imagining its application to the Entire Internet.
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some amazing ignorance in this thread -
the people who are saying, "omg, google me! here's my name, robert paulson!" are missing the point. just because you do not care about your personal information being publicized, does not mean others don't, and that definitely does not mean it should be forced upon anyone.
just because you are OK with something does not mean that everyone else is. to adopt this mindset is incredibly narrow-minded.
as for the absurd posts saying, "if you don't have anything to hide lol!": read any of the humorous quotes from bash.org involving any of the following: drugs, sex, video games, etc - and tell me if any of them would be posted if there were real names tied to it. people don't want their real names associated with the Internet, and it's completely understandable. a person cannot possibly be a model citizen 100% of the time to all of their acquaintances (see: work, school, friends, family) and enjoy the luxuries of a modern-day lifestyle. if you can, then very good for you, that's quite a feat. however, you should see that it is unreasonable for everyone to look to Beethoven's Ninth Symphony as their primary source of entertainment. not only that, but this is the argument used by the Bush administration. "if you don't have anything to hide, then I suppose you don't mind me listening in on your phone conversations!" it's completely fallacious.
again, fine if you have absolutely nothing to hide from your family, friends, coworkers, and peers, but I would wager that most people talk differently to their mother than they do to their friends.
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On July 07 2010 06:17 Steven.Bonnell.II wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 06:13 Serpico wrote:On July 07 2010 06:09 Petshop wrote:
I didn't get a chance to read everybody's reaction but personally I don't mind. I'm guessing the posts will be more constructive and less silly. I mean, it's your real name. People will have to respect each other more instead of being ethugs. Anybody else feel like this? Or am I way off?
Just my 2 cents.
edit: Vocab mistake Why should they respect you? How is having your real name a bad thing right? This is the flaw, blizzard is implying "dont talk crap with your real name or else." Is that how you want to run your forums? It's completely flawed. They're implying something might happen to me if people have my real name, why would they implement it to clean up the forums otherwise. YEAH! I totally agree, there should be NO consequences for someone saying ANYTHING they want to the internet! Oh, wait, that's RETARDED. If you lose a job because you posted in a child pedo forum somewhere, you probably deserved to lose your job. You won't lose your job because your employer looks you up and sees you post about how ZvP is unbalanced on the b.net forums.
...what the hell are you talking about? I'm saying if someone calls you an idiot who cares. You're using ridiculous examples to prove a point against something I wasnt even saying.
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I don't think this has anything to do with the trolling on the forum.
"and connect the Blizzard community in ways they haven’t been connected before."
This is about cashing in on the social networking trend. Banning an account/cdkey combo fixes the trolling problem as effectively as the real name display does without the chilling aspect. I think Blizzard has looked at facebook and made the judgement that people don't mind communicating under their real identity and that while this make it possible for people to stalk you it also makes it possible for people who know you to find you. Sure you could just give them your online name, but Blizzard take here, just like facebook, is that you may not always know that someone was interested in playing in the first place.
Building a robust gaming social network is the first step for them which enables the second step: custom content for cash. It won't be long after this that you start seeing "jane smith found a minature zealot while playing on burning sands" and "joe someguy needs more vespene gas to finish constructing his barn."
If the future is micro-transactions, building the social network is how you enable avenues for those micro-transactions. Want a custom portrait to display on the forums? $. Want custom titles for your forum posts? $ Want special in game colors? $. Come on, all your friends are doing it.
Who knows, maybe this will be really cool once it gets up and SC2 will take off with all your friends and neighbors just like Farmville. Or at least up until the point where they get cannon rushed and called a homosexual. I just hope that the social networking arm infecting bnet development doesn't have a negative impact on the development of the game itself.
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On July 07 2010 06:17 kajeus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 06:15 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 06:14 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 06:09 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 06:04 kajeus wrote:This system means that the following groups of people cannot reasonably post:
- Famous people
- Women
- People in public or similiarly high profile employment
The first two will simply be completely swamped by idiots, the last one will risk getting in trouble. This is so silly. How many famous people are going to visit the Blizzard forums? And how exactly are they going to be "swamped by idiots" in a non-anonymous forum environment? Do you really think women will have that big a problem? It's non-anonymous! Who's going to be a creeper, and who is going to post so much that it'll be significant anyway? People, we're not talking about a new Internet. We're talking about new Blizzard forums. Don't post there if you don't want to -- they probably don't want you posting there anyway. Stick to TL. 1) There are plenty of examples of famous people playing WoW etc. 2) http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/ammminal/stupidpeople.jpg My point was not that they don't play WoW. My point was that very few of them will have any desire to post on the official forums -- making them a very small percentage of the userbase, and not a huge source of concern. But I think it's safe to say that if Robin Williams were, for some reason, routinely harassed on the non-anonymous Blizzard WoW forums, he would be watched out for by moderators. It's not even about being harassed - don't you think famous people would appreciate being anonymous in at least one aspect of their life? I know I would if I was that level of famous. Then Robin Williams can either phone Blizzard directly and set up a special anonymity deal, receive individual 1-on-1 tech support, or post somewhere else. I think everyone is just taking this too literally and imagining its application to the Entire Internet.
Again, an extremely tedious and unnecessary precaution has to be taken now because of using real names on the forums. It would be easier if you simply had anonymity and more moderators.
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Sweden33723 Posts
On July 07 2010 06:17 kajeus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 06:15 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 06:14 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 06:09 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 06:04 kajeus wrote:This system means that the following groups of people cannot reasonably post:
- Famous people
- Women
- People in public or similiarly high profile employment
The first two will simply be completely swamped by idiots, the last one will risk getting in trouble. This is so silly. How many famous people are going to visit the Blizzard forums? And how exactly are they going to be "swamped by idiots" in a non-anonymous forum environment? Do you really think women will have that big a problem? It's non-anonymous! Who's going to be a creeper, and who is going to post so much that it'll be significant anyway? People, we're not talking about a new Internet. We're talking about new Blizzard forums. Don't post there if you don't want to -- they probably don't want you posting there anyway. Stick to TL. 1) There are plenty of examples of famous people playing WoW etc. 2) http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/ammminal/stupidpeople.jpg My point was not that they don't play WoW. My point was that very few of them will have any desire to post on the official forums -- making them a very small percentage of the userbase, and not a huge source of concern. But I think it's safe to say that if Robin Williams were, for some reason, routinely harassed on the non-anonymous Blizzard WoW forums, he would be watched out for by moderators. It's not even about being harassed - don't you think famous people would appreciate being anonymous in at least one aspect of their life? I know I would if I was that level of famous. Then Robin Williams can either phone Blizzard directly and set up a special anonymity deal, receive individual 1-on-1 tech support, or post somewhere else. I think everyone is just taking this too literally and imagining its application to the Entire Internet.
That sounds "fair". And yes, Blizzard today - everywhere else tomorrow. I don't want it anywhere, and certainly not here.
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On July 07 2010 06:16 baskerville wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 05:36 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 05:34 baskerville wrote:On July 07 2010 03:27 Kishime wrote:
Who cares?
My name is Jim O'Hearn. Have at me!!!!
IMO, unless you are a complete troll who everyone hates, nobody is going to try to get your personal info or care what your name is. how bout your kid's name available worldwide? Man, I don't know if you're aware of the laws on things like this. Your kids can't just have their names revealed willy-nilly. precisely my point... uhhhh ... sorry what was your point ?
Your kids are guaranteed anonymity by law in the United States. No one under 13, at the very least, will be posting in forums under his or her real name.
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YESSS This is the best change everrrrrr. I can add all the blue posts as friends on Facebook, and then we can be facebook integrated over BNET 2.0 YESSSS I knew this was Blizzards master plan all along! I'm going to have so many new facebook buddies.
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Well that's mature.
Do you even know what fascism is?
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Absolutely astonishing idea by Blizzard. I honestly don't think they have thought it through at all.
As someone with a rare name (google my full name, and I come up as the first hit), there is no way on earth I will ever post on their forums again. This isn't such a big deal as I rarely do so anyway, but I am annoyed at the loss of access to the Tech Support forums which have proved useful in the past.
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On July 07 2010 05:51 ikkyixo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 05:43 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 05:42 ikkyixo wrote:On July 07 2010 05:38 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 05:35 kajeus wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 07 2010 05:31 starcat wrote:
To people who do not think it is a big deal just dont get it.
Personally, i have been working at a law firm for a year or so as a lawyer. For those who are not aware, many firms and employers are accountable to the public. Auditors, lawyers, doctors, teachers, law enforcement, etc... are all publically accountable.
Anyone in these fields is already aware of the limits and restrictions about online conduct as anything you say or do will not only impact you as an individual, but the employer as well. Our facebook pages are bare, not all pictures can be posted, you need to be careful when making wall posts, etc. For me, i have no problem with this and i understand it.
Video games for these people are the only way they can interact with others anonymously. Such as I. I enjoy posting on message boards, and also did so on the beta forums. I find it helps me learn and help others, and i like the community aspect of it. And dont get me wrong, i enjoy the occasional flame or joke just like anyone else here.
The problem arises when I cannot even post anonymously anymore. As you can see, having my real name would impact what i can or cannot post since if my name is associated, my firm and profession is as well. If an auditor posts something that isnt the best thing (but very acceptable by our 'e-standards' we will very likely be punished for breach of the rules of professional conduct of the profession, and will likely result in your employer punishing you some way as well, and depending on the severity you may end up having your CA/CPA designation revoked because of it. Especially in the world we live in today where even jokes can get you in a lot of trouble.
Lots of people do not seem to understand that making everything we do relate to our real name, we lose a large part of our enjoyment, and at the end of the day will result in the opposite of what blizzard wants to achieve, thus is a bad idea. I will not be posting on the forums any more, and will post here instead.
Sure if you are a kid in high school, you really wont care about anything and will post wahtever you want, but if you have a job such as i, or any of the above jobs mentioned above, you will agree that real name association is not a good thing. Only the ignorant do not seem to understand this, and say "Oh i dont see the big deal?". Well, son, the big deal is that you are only hindering your own community, and hindering the overall game experience of the consumers.
Thanks. So, here is the big reveal: They Do Not Want People Like You Posting. A couple of posts under your real name on the official Blizzard forums will not hurt your career. I *know* this to be true. But several posts may. Hundreds or thousands will almost certainly have some effect. But you will take your anonymous posting elsewhere. Which is EXACTLY what they want. They do NOT want people like you chattin' it up on their forums: they don't want you to spam, they don't want you to participate in gigantic discussions about how OP paladins are, they don't want you to flame anyone. And so you will limit yourself to 1-5 harmless posts. Which is exactly what they want from you. See?  ... No, I don't see - they don't want articulate and intelligent posters? They don't get articulate and intelligent posters with the current system they have where people can attack anyone they want because of the protection of being anonymous. I make intelligent posts, and I will be grateful to post in their official forums when all the anonymous attacking by kids are kept at a bare minimum because they cannot hide behind aliases anymore. Or, they could moderate the forum. ... "connect the Blizzard community in ways they haven’t been connected before." This definitely will be the case, one way or another...... Not sure I'm a huge fan of the most likely ways this connection will manifest. Why hire people to moderate a forum that gets more traffic, 24/7 than most other forums on the next when you can resolve the root issue in one fell swoop? Those people who are having issues with this change are still going to buy their games, they just won't post in the forums. So what if you don't want to post in the official forums? You have other community sites to post in, which in turn promotes the community sites more. All those flamers and trollers will come to TL.net and will have their posts moderated. In the end, everyone except the trollers/flamers win. What's bad about that?
You could argue that normal reasonable posters and forum members suffer, not to mention mods, because then you will have to wade through so much crap. A strategy forum shouldn't even have untamed wilds for brave explorers to venture.
You'll get more posts like this
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On July 07 2010 06:18 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 06:17 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 06:15 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 06:14 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 06:09 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 06:04 kajeus wrote:This system means that the following groups of people cannot reasonably post:
- Famous people
- Women
- People in public or similiarly high profile employment
The first two will simply be completely swamped by idiots, the last one will risk getting in trouble. This is so silly. How many famous people are going to visit the Blizzard forums? And how exactly are they going to be "swamped by idiots" in a non-anonymous forum environment? Do you really think women will have that big a problem? It's non-anonymous! Who's going to be a creeper, and who is going to post so much that it'll be significant anyway? People, we're not talking about a new Internet. We're talking about new Blizzard forums. Don't post there if you don't want to -- they probably don't want you posting there anyway. Stick to TL. 1) There are plenty of examples of famous people playing WoW etc. 2) http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/ammminal/stupidpeople.jpg My point was not that they don't play WoW. My point was that very few of them will have any desire to post on the official forums -- making them a very small percentage of the userbase, and not a huge source of concern. But I think it's safe to say that if Robin Williams were, for some reason, routinely harassed on the non-anonymous Blizzard WoW forums, he would be watched out for by moderators. It's not even about being harassed - don't you think famous people would appreciate being anonymous in at least one aspect of their life? I know I would if I was that level of famous. Then Robin Williams can either phone Blizzard directly and set up a special anonymity deal, receive individual 1-on-1 tech support, or post somewhere else. I think everyone is just taking this too literally and imagining its application to the Entire Internet. Again, an extremely tedious and unnecessary precaution has to be taken now because of using real names on the forums. It would be easier if you simply had anonymity and more moderators.
It's extremely tedious to give Robin Williams special anonymity? :D Come on, man... Famous people are a drop in the Internet bucket.
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