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Calgary25996 Posts
On June 16 2010 03:36 Salv wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 02:09 GG.Win wrote:
Randi is an idiot.
While I'm skeptical myself on Homeopathy, but theres no reason to not give it a try. It's relatively safe and actually has some validity in it. Placebo effect is great anyway. There is a reason not to give it a try, it's simply diluted water, the science behind it shows that. There is evidence to show that it doesn't work and is simply quackery. You're really going to say that a placebo effect is a good reason to take it?
What do you dilute water with?
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On June 16 2010 03:49 Twisted wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 03:44 Destro wrote:
warts are a virus, usually removing them does remove the effected area but its fully possibly for them to continue to grow. The issue i have with this, is that it makes no sense as to why you would assume it was the homeopathy that fixed your warts. The way you described homeopathy, it would be like putting out a bonfire with a candle? You also described the immunization process that has been adopted by modern medicine... but thats entirely pre-emptive.
I don't know why you ruled out the possibility of your body removing the virus itself, and jump to the conclusion it was diluted water that had a 6month triggering time. (???)
Why wouldn't it be? I just have an open mind about it. Maybe it is true that the medicine is mixed with something that works but why would they call it homeopathic then? And of course I have thought about the possibility of my body removing the virus itself. I was walking around with em for what.. 2-3 years or whatever. Tried various treatments as written in my original post which didn't work. So what, just coincidentally 6 months (as described with the treatment method) after I started using it they die in less than 3 days? There are also doctors here that have followed a regular education of 10 years to become normal house-call doctors and after that picked up a course in homeopathy. Why would they do that if they don't believe in it? They are doctors after all that have learned to cure people the conventional way.
Water does not cure warts. The timing is purely coincidental.
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Hey, as long as you're here, Chill, mind finally closing this terrible thread?
User was temp banned for this post.
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On June 16 2010 03:53 Issorlol wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 03:49 Twisted wrote:On June 16 2010 03:44 Destro wrote:
warts are a virus, usually removing them does remove the effected area but its fully possibly for them to continue to grow. The issue i have with this, is that it makes no sense as to why you would assume it was the homeopathy that fixed your warts. The way you described homeopathy, it would be like putting out a bonfire with a candle? You also described the immunization process that has been adopted by modern medicine... but thats entirely pre-emptive.
I don't know why you ruled out the possibility of your body removing the virus itself, and jump to the conclusion it was diluted water that had a 6month triggering time. (???)
Why wouldn't it be? I just have an open mind about it. Maybe it is true that the medicine is mixed with something that works but why would they call it homeopathic then? And of course I have thought about the possibility of my body removing the virus itself. I was walking around with em for what.. 2-3 years or whatever. Tried various treatments as written in my original post which didn't work. So what, just coincidentally 6 months (as described with the treatment method) after I started using it they die in less than 3 days? There are also doctors here that have followed a regular education of 10 years to become normal house-call doctors and after that picked up a course in homeopathy. Why would they do that if they don't believe in it? They are doctors after all that have learned to cure people the conventional way. Water does not cure warts. The timing is purely coincidental.
Like I said there might've been an active ingredient in the solution he used. If it was 100% homeopathic then it's definitely coincidental but I don't think they would sell 100% homeopathy for warts.
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Netherlands13554 Posts
You can get them at any drug store. Another possibility then? What if homeopathy has a bad reputation because 90% are frauds but the 10% that are legit actually make it work?
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On June 16 2010 03:54 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 03:53 Issorlol wrote:On June 16 2010 03:49 Twisted wrote:On June 16 2010 03:44 Destro wrote:
warts are a virus, usually removing them does remove the effected area but its fully possibly for them to continue to grow. The issue i have with this, is that it makes no sense as to why you would assume it was the homeopathy that fixed your warts. The way you described homeopathy, it would be like putting out a bonfire with a candle? You also described the immunization process that has been adopted by modern medicine... but thats entirely pre-emptive.
I don't know why you ruled out the possibility of your body removing the virus itself, and jump to the conclusion it was diluted water that had a 6month triggering time. (???)
Why wouldn't it be? I just have an open mind about it. Maybe it is true that the medicine is mixed with something that works but why would they call it homeopathic then? And of course I have thought about the possibility of my body removing the virus itself. I was walking around with em for what.. 2-3 years or whatever. Tried various treatments as written in my original post which didn't work. So what, just coincidentally 6 months (as described with the treatment method) after I started using it they die in less than 3 days? There are also doctors here that have followed a regular education of 10 years to become normal house-call doctors and after that picked up a course in homeopathy. Why would they do that if they don't believe in it? They are doctors after all that have learned to cure people the conventional way. Water does not cure warts. The timing is purely coincidental. Like I said there might've been an active ingredient in the solution he used. If it was 100% homeopathic then it's definitely coincidental but I don't think they would sell 100% homeopathy for warts.
When are actual homepathic remedies not functionally pure water?
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On June 16 2010 03:53 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 03:36 Salv wrote:On June 16 2010 02:09 GG.Win wrote:
Randi is an idiot.
While I'm skeptical myself on Homeopathy, but theres no reason to not give it a try. It's relatively safe and actually has some validity in it. Placebo effect is great anyway. There is a reason not to give it a try, it's simply diluted water, the science behind it shows that. There is evidence to show that it doesn't work and is simply quackery. You're really going to say that a placebo effect is a good reason to take it? What do you dilute water with?
Homepaths? With sugar.
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On June 16 2010 03:47 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 03:11 Roe wrote:
Although I think Homeopathy is quite the fraud, the amount of fanaticism and lack of scientific method on the part of Randi made him seem more like a comedian playing to the crowd than scientist trying to disprove a theory. He's not trying to be a scientist disproving a theory while giving a short talk to an audience. There aren't any scientists that conduct the scientific method in such a setting. Randi is aware of proper science and the fact that it reveals vendors of homeopathic medicine as the fraudulent merchants they really are. He's spreading the message, hoping to put a stop to them.
Yeah, I was thinking that he could be less of what he was in the video in other scenes but changed it around for the audience or something. I shall have to research him some more!
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On June 16 2010 03:56 Twisted wrote:
You can get them at any drug store. Another possibility then? What if homeopathy has a bad reputation because 90% are frauds but the 10% that are legit actually make it work?
You can get them at any drug store because drug stores are businesses and homeopathy sells. 100% of all homeopathic remedies are fraudulent.
edit: for the guy above me, randi.org
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Why wouldn't it be? I just have an open mind about it. Maybe it is true that the medicine is mixed with something that works but why would they call it homeopathic then?
And of course I have thought about the possibility of my body removing the virus itself. I was walking around with em for what.. 2-3 years or whatever. Tried various treatments as written in my original post which didn't work. So what, just coincidentally 6 months (as described with the treatment method) after I started using it they die in less than 3 days?
There are also doctors here that have followed a regular education of 10 years to become normal house-call doctors and after that picked up a course in homeopathy. Why would they do that if they don't believe in it? They are doctors after all that have learned to cure people the conventional way.
The problem i have with this story, is having an open mind about things is one thing, but calling something a viable medical treatment because it "could" work is to me, dangerous. Sure there is nothing harmful in homeopathic treatments (as far as i know) but the mindset is that of faith rather then science.
One big thing that bothers me about this, is that i can relate very well to it. I suffered from severe exema all over my body for about the first 20 years of my life, to the point of wearing long sleaved shirts and pants in the summer, and then also having it on my face. I can relate to you with your warts completely. However i had a similar thing happen to me a few years ago, i had tried different medications all my life, none of which worked to any degree for me to be happy, or would only be a short term solution. One week it all just started to go away, and by the end of the week my skin was completely clear of exema for the rest of my life. I had never taken homeopathic "medicine", gone to a faith healer, or had a guy rub my feet telling me it would fix my exema. My body did something I can't quite understand. But, I do not attribute it to something beyond biology I might not understand.
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On June 16 2010 03:56 Twisted wrote:
You can get them at any drug store. Another possibility then? What if homeopathy has a bad reputation because 90% are frauds but the 10% that are legit actually make it work?
Then the guys with the ones who actually work do a double blind study on a significant number of patients and publish their results. A pharmaceutical then buys their patent for water and we no longer call it alternative medicine, it's just medicine. It's not like there's no method for proving and publishing science in todays world.
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Netherlands13554 Posts
On June 16 2010 03:59 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 03:56 Twisted wrote:
You can get them at any drug store. Another possibility then? What if homeopathy has a bad reputation because 90% are frauds but the 10% that are legit actually make it work? Then the guys with the ones who actually work do a double blind study on a significant number of patients and publish their results. A pharmaceutical then buys their patent for water and we no longer call it alternative medicine, it's just medicine. It's not like there's no method for proving and publishing science in todays world.
I suppose that's true.
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On June 16 2010 03:56 Issorlol wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 03:54 Djzapz wrote:On June 16 2010 03:53 Issorlol wrote:On June 16 2010 03:49 Twisted wrote:On June 16 2010 03:44 Destro wrote:
warts are a virus, usually removing them does remove the effected area but its fully possibly for them to continue to grow. The issue i have with this, is that it makes no sense as to why you would assume it was the homeopathy that fixed your warts. The way you described homeopathy, it would be like putting out a bonfire with a candle? You also described the immunization process that has been adopted by modern medicine... but thats entirely pre-emptive.
I don't know why you ruled out the possibility of your body removing the virus itself, and jump to the conclusion it was diluted water that had a 6month triggering time. (???)
Why wouldn't it be? I just have an open mind about it. Maybe it is true that the medicine is mixed with something that works but why would they call it homeopathic then? And of course I have thought about the possibility of my body removing the virus itself. I was walking around with em for what.. 2-3 years or whatever. Tried various treatments as written in my original post which didn't work. So what, just coincidentally 6 months (as described with the treatment method) after I started using it they die in less than 3 days? There are also doctors here that have followed a regular education of 10 years to become normal house-call doctors and after that picked up a course in homeopathy. Why would they do that if they don't believe in it? They are doctors after all that have learned to cure people the conventional way. Water does not cure warts. The timing is purely coincidental. Like I said there might've been an active ingredient in the solution he used. If it was 100% homeopathic then it's definitely coincidental but I don't think they would sell 100% homeopathy for warts. When are actual homepathic remedies not functionally pure water?
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Like here, it has menthol for instance and honey. Plenty of homeopathic medicine aren't just homeopathy.
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Here, 20% ethyl alcohol.
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On June 16 2010 03:59 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 03:56 Twisted wrote:
You can get them at any drug store. Another possibility then? What if homeopathy has a bad reputation because 90% are frauds but the 10% that are legit actually make it work? Then the guys with the ones who actually work do a double blind study on a significant number of patients and publish their results. A pharmaceutical then buys their patent for water and we no longer call it alternative medicine, it's just medicine. It's not like there's no method for proving and publishing science in todays world.
Amen! I totaly agree with You.
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Netherlands13554 Posts
http://ecam.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/neq042
Random article I googled about Thuja Occidentalis. Mind you, it's actually made of a tree. Can't really read it because it's too scientific but it's a published article so I would assume a professor approved of the publishing of this article (it's from Oxford).
Some people are arguing that every homeopathic medicine is made of water with a 0.001% other ingredient in it? Is that even true? Wouldn't the dose be different with sometimes 0.1% or whatever? Posts like 'you are drinking water', while I was actually taking small pills, don't really help your argument so I won't respond to those.
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Netherlands13554 Posts
On June 16 2010 03:58 Destro wrote:
The problem i have with this story, is having an open mind about things is one thing, but calling something a viable medical treatment because it "could" work is to me, dangerous. Sure there is nothing harmful in homeopathic treatments (as far as i know) but the mindset is that of faith rather then science.
One big thing that bothers me about this, is that i can relate very well to it. I suffered from severe exema all over my body for about the first 20 years of my life, to the point of wearing long sleaved shirts and pants in the summer, and then also having it on my face. I can relate to you with your warts completely. However i had a similar thing happen to me a few years ago, i had tried different medications all my life, none of which worked to any degree for me to be happy, or would only be a short term solution. One week it all just started to go away, and by the end of the week my skin was completely clear of exema for the rest of my life. I had never taken homeopathic "medicine", gone to a faith healer, or had a guy rub my feet telling me it would fix my exema. My body did something I can't quite understand. But, I do not attribute it to something beyond biology I might not understand.
I can understand why you're skeptical. Your example shows us how little we still know about how our own body works actually.
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On June 16 2010 04:00 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 03:56 Issorlol wrote:On June 16 2010 03:54 Djzapz wrote:On June 16 2010 03:53 Issorlol wrote:On June 16 2010 03:49 Twisted wrote:On June 16 2010 03:44 Destro wrote:
warts are a virus, usually removing them does remove the effected area but its fully possibly for them to continue to grow. The issue i have with this, is that it makes no sense as to why you would assume it was the homeopathy that fixed your warts. The way you described homeopathy, it would be like putting out a bonfire with a candle? You also described the immunization process that has been adopted by modern medicine... but thats entirely pre-emptive.
I don't know why you ruled out the possibility of your body removing the virus itself, and jump to the conclusion it was diluted water that had a 6month triggering time. (???)
Why wouldn't it be? I just have an open mind about it. Maybe it is true that the medicine is mixed with something that works but why would they call it homeopathic then? And of course I have thought about the possibility of my body removing the virus itself. I was walking around with em for what.. 2-3 years or whatever. Tried various treatments as written in my original post which didn't work. So what, just coincidentally 6 months (as described with the treatment method) after I started using it they die in less than 3 days? There are also doctors here that have followed a regular education of 10 years to become normal house-call doctors and after that picked up a course in homeopathy. Why would they do that if they don't believe in it? They are doctors after all that have learned to cure people the conventional way. Water does not cure warts. The timing is purely coincidental. Like I said there might've been an active ingredient in the solution he used. If it was 100% homeopathic then it's definitely coincidental but I don't think they would sell 100% homeopathy for warts. When are actual homepathic remedies not functionally pure water? + Show Spoiler +Like here, it has menthol for instance and honey. Plenty of homeopathic medicine aren't just homeopathy. + Show Spoiler +Here, 20% ethyl alcohol.
It's being marketed as homeopathic. It's not..... There is a difference.....
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On June 16 2010 04:06 Twisted wrote:http://ecam.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/neq042Random article I googled about Thuja Occidentalis. Mind you, it's actually made of a tree. Can't really read it because it's too scientific but it's a published article so I would assume a professor approved of the publishing of this article (it's from Oxford). Some people are arguing that every homeopathic medicine is made of water with a 0.001% other ingredient in it? Is that even true? Wouldn't the dose be different with sometimes 0.1% or whatever? Posts like 'you are drinking water', while I was actually taking small pills, don't really help your argument so I won't respond to those.
Read up on it. Homeopathy something very dilute. It can be in a pill or in water or added to another substance.
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On June 16 2010 04:06 Twisted wrote:http://ecam.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/neq042Random article I googled about Thuja Occidentalis. Mind you, it's actually made of a tree. Can't really read it because it's too scientific but it's a published article so I would assume a professor approved of the publishing of this article (it's from Oxford). Some people are arguing that every homeopathic medicine is made of water with a 0.001% other ingredient in it? Is that even true? Wouldn't the dose be different with sometimes 0.1% or whatever? Posts like 'you are drinking water', while I was actually taking small pills, don't really help your argument so I won't respond to those.
is there a cut and dry outline of what a homeopathic medicine must consist of to be considered homeopathy?
could end a lot of confusion in this thread
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Netherlands13554 Posts
On June 16 2010 04:09 Destro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 04:06 Twisted wrote:http://ecam.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/neq042Random article I googled about Thuja Occidentalis. Mind you, it's actually made of a tree. Can't really read it because it's too scientific but it's a published article so I would assume a professor approved of the publishing of this article (it's from Oxford). Some people are arguing that every homeopathic medicine is made of water with a 0.001% other ingredient in it? Is that even true? Wouldn't the dose be different with sometimes 0.1% or whatever? Posts like 'you are drinking water', while I was actually taking small pills, don't really help your argument so I won't respond to those. is there a cut and dry outline of what a homeopathic medicine must consist of to be considered homeopathy? could end a lot of confusion in this thread
I dunno. Could be that everything that doesn't work is homeopathic and everything that does work, well, works :D
I'm not even sure Thuja is 100% homeopathic but that's what google says and that homeopathic doctor gave me.
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