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Djzapz
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On June 16 2010 01:44 Krolinkos wrote: For a good resource on quackery and pseudo-medicine, I would suggest sciencebasedmedicine.org, and all the respective blogs run by the contributors. I have nothing but the highest praise for both the editors (Novella and Gorski), their efforts over the last few years fighting to somewhat combat the endless bullshit on the internet have been outstanding. They also have a reference section for factual overviews of common quackery topics, along with indexed posts by topic and links to good outside resources. Quick links for you: http://sciencebasedmedicine.org http://sciencebasedmedicine.org/reference/homeopathy/ This site is obviously massively biased. I'll get into it with you if you want to. It's seriously like a gigantic slap in the face to eastern medicine, which has a very rich history and while it may contain "quackery", it also contains proven methods of healing. It's clear the editors have already made up their minds about many of these topics. Have they actually studied them their whole lives? Or did they study western medicine? | ||
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
While I'm skeptical myself on Homeopathy, but theres no reason to not give it a try. It's relatively safe and actually has some validity in it. Placebo effect is great anyway. | ||
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
On June 16 2010 02:09 GG.Win wrote: Randi is an idiot. While I'm skeptical myself on Homeopathy, but theres no reason to not give it a try. It's relatively safe and actually has some validity in it. Placebo effect is great anyway. Of course. You take your medicine and I'll take mine. I think marketing placebos as medicine to the unwitting is somewhat criminal, but whatever floats your boat. | ||
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
On June 16 2010 02:15 gogogadgetflow wrote: Of course. You take your medicine and I'll take mine. I think marketing placebos as medicine to the unwitting is somewhat criminal, but whatever floats your boat. Lol? I never said anything about my choice of medicine, nor did I say anything about marketing homeopathy as placebo. You should look at conventional western medicine before you go off ranting. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On June 16 2010 02:09 GG.Win wrote: Randi is an idiot. While I'm skeptical myself on Homeopathy, but theres no reason to not give it a try. It's relatively safe and actually has some validity in it. Placebo effect is great anyway. Yeah dude you're right, there's no reason not to try something disproven by science... What were we thinking? Of course it's relatively safe, seeing how it's water. If you have too much money you can even fill your water dispenser with homeopathic "medicine" that does absolutely nothing. Sure you pay an incredible amount of money for water but whatever, right? You should also try voodoo and crystals. No reason not to try it right? Randi is an idiot and screw science, what has it ever done for us? Seriously, think logically. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
On June 16 2010 02:20 GG.Win wrote: Lol? I never said anything about my choice of medicine, nor did I say anything about marketing homeopathy as placebo. You should look at conventional western medicine before you go off ranting. In this case, I believe you misunderstood me. "homeopaths" do not market their treatments as placebos. Instead, they pretend that their placebos are real medicine and sell them as such - I don't think that's a matter of debate. However if you ever care to *knowingly* choose these placebos over "conventional western medicine," in your daily life, cordially go ahead. | ||
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
On June 16 2010 02:20 Djzapz wrote: Yeah dude you're right, there's no reason not to try something disproven by science... What were we thinking? Of course it's relatively safe, seeing how it's water. If you have too much money you can even fill your water dispenser with homeopathic "medicine" that does absolutely nothing. Sure you pay an incredible amount of money for water but whatever, right? You should also try voodoo and crystals. No reason not to try it right? Randi is an idiot and screw science, what has it ever done for us? Seriously, think logically. Show me some proven science saying homeopathy doesn't work. Show me that the Hormesis principle is proven false. If you're so sure it doesn't work, then a large portion of Europe and Asia must be fooled silly. Are you even going to compare costs of homeopathy and conventional medicine? What a joke. Randi is not a scientist, the guy is a fucking magician. I personally don't support homeopathy but writing it off immediately with fucking youtube videos of randi is such a joke. You should seriously think logically, just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it doesn't work. Wait, the earth is flat right? | ||
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sooch
Canada299 Posts
On June 16 2010 02:30 GG.Win wrote: Show me some proven science saying homeopathy doesn't work. Show me that the Hormesis principle is proven false. If you're so sure it doesn't work, then a large portion of Europe and Asia must be fooled silly. Are you even going to compare costs of homeopathy and conventional medicine? What a joke. Randi is not a scientist, the guy is a fucking magician. I personally don't support homeopathy but writing it off immediately with fucking youtube videos of randi is such a joke. You should seriously think logically, just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it doesn't work. Wait, the earth is flat right? http://www.1023.org.uk/ There is literally NOTHING in homeopathic medicine. Can you show me any proof that the "vibration theory" works? That a molecule can have "memory"? The onus is on you, not the people you're trying to convince, to prove that your medicine is effective beyond the placebo effect. | ||
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Emon_
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
On June 16 2010 02:30 GG.Win wrote: Show me some proven science saying homeopathy doesn't work. Show me that the Hormesis principle is proven false. If you're so sure it doesn't work, then a large portion of Europe and Asia must be fooled silly. Are you even going to compare costs of homeopathy and conventional medicine? What a joke. Randi is not a scientist, the guy is a fucking magician. I personally don't support homeopathy but writing it off immediately with fucking youtube videos of randi is such a joke. You should seriously think logically, just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it doesn't work. Wait, the earth is flat right? Oh, the irony. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On June 16 2010 02:30 GG.Win wrote: Show me some proven science saying homeopathy doesn't work. Show me that the Hormesis principle is proven false. If you're so sure it doesn't work, then a large portion of Europe and Asia must be fooled silly. Are you even going to compare costs of homeopathy and conventional medicine? What a joke. Randi is not a scientist, the guy is a fucking magician. I personally don't support homeopathy but writing it off immediately with fucking youtube videos of randi is such a joke. You should seriously think logically, just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it doesn't work. Wait, the earth is flat right? Given your track record you'd be the one with the believe that the earth is flat or at the center of the universe. You might as well believe in psychics because "why not", right? I don't know. From my understanding you're the one taking potshots at western medicine while supporting homeopathy (you can make your own research to see how little evidence there is supporting it)... Your hypocrisy knows no bounds... PS: Richard Dawkins is a biologist. Look up what he thinks. | ||
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Romantic
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On June 16 2010 02:30 GG.Win wrote: Show me some proven science saying homeopathy doesn't work. Show me that the Hormesis principle is proven false. If you're so sure it doesn't work, then a large portion of Europe and Asia must be fooled silly. Are you even going to compare costs of homeopathy and conventional medicine? What a joke. Randi is not a scientist, the guy is a fucking magician. I personally don't support homeopathy but writing it off immediately with fucking youtube videos of randi is such a joke. You should seriously think logically, just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it doesn't work. Wait, the earth is flat right? This seems familiar. One person had to play devil's advocate I suppose. Why it has to be you I don't know. There have been plenty of studies done on this and I won't bother directing them to you because you'll either claim that the source isn't good enough or you just won't care...that would be par for the course for you. Go look it up yourself. I myself downed 2 whole bottles of a homeopathic medication (much like said youtube video) for a class presentation and the only reason I was able to prevent the professor from freaking calling the ambulance is due to how I explained it in the first place. This isn't an application of the hormesis principle because at least then you're taking SOME SORT of dose. The chances are high that in a 50x concentration that not a single pill will contain a SINGLE molecule of the active ingredient. If you're taking the recommended dose and not the whole bottle chances are almost certain that you just took some sort of powdered acid and that's it. It's a big big scam and none of the pseudo intellectual crap you spew on a routine basis will change that, especially in this case. | ||
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
On June 16 2010 02:30 GG.Win wrote: Show me some proven science saying homeopathy doesn't work. Show me that the Hormesis principle is proven false. If you're so sure it doesn't work, then a large portion of Europe and Asia must be fooled silly. Are you even going to compare costs of homeopathy and conventional medicine? What a joke. Randi is not a scientist, the guy is a fucking magician. I personally don't support homeopathy but writing it off immediately with fucking youtube videos of randi is such a joke. You should seriously think logically, just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it doesn't work. Wait, the earth is flat right? I have no idea who Randi is apart from that youtube video. However nothing he said was false, a homeopathic "remedy" doesn't contain a single molecule of the "active" substance. The discussion really ought to end there. That said of course it may "work" to some extent, as someone said on the last page there has been cases of deadly cancer being cured by sugar pills. But trying to sell pure water as medicine should be a criminal offense. | ||
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Zhek
Canada342 Posts
Homeopathic Practitioner who has been able to prove under reasonable experimental conditions that solutions made of infinitely tiny particles of good stuff dissolved repeatedly into relatively huge quantities of water has a consistently higher medicinal value than a similarly administered placebo. So yeah, bogus. | ||
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United Kingdom2343 Posts
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Ruthless
United States492 Posts
On June 16 2010 01:28 APurpleCow wrote: Show them this? James Randi explaining why Homeopathy is BS. god damn you beat me to it i love this man | ||
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