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Homeopathy - does it work?

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zizou21
Profile Joined September 2006
United States3683 Posts
June 15 2010 16:23 GMT
#1
Long story short; Homeopathy is the best way to treat health problems for my parents. Today, I asked my dad to pick up something from the pharmacy for my swollen lip, and he picks up some hemeopathic treatment that I'm pretty sure doesn't do shit. I've had to deal w/ this pretty much my entire life, is there anything I can show them or tell them to convince that they are being conned into buying bogus remedies? (if this is even the case, it might be legit medicine for all I know). I've looked online a bit but its mostly shit from Skeptic.com, etc that will make it hard to convince them.
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Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-15 16:28:00
June 15 2010 16:24 GMT
#2
no it is bogus.

It`s just water, seriously that`s all there is.
The idea is that if you say have a headache, then diluting something that causes headaches to the ^nth degree in water makes it cure headaches. Whatever effects you get are placebo, or the fact that when your body heals itself over time, you attribute it to the use of homeopathy.
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Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
June 15 2010 16:26 GMT
#3
It has very little substantial scientific support. Almost none actually.

I'm sure if one of them had cancer they'd use something with a slightly better track record.
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APurpleCow
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1372 Posts
June 15 2010 16:28 GMT
#4


Show them this? James Randi explaining why Homeopathy is BS.
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
June 15 2010 16:30 GMT
#5
There is doubt in your heart, so it won't work for you, I am sorry. Only faith can save your lip.
Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
June 15 2010 16:31 GMT
#6
On June 16 2010 01:26 Piy wrote:
It has very little substantial scientific support. Almost none actually.

I'm sure if one of them had cancer they'd use something with a slightly better track record.


Try none.

Here is a tip if you want to disprove their effect. Have your parents buy some homeopathic sleeping pills. Then eat the whole box, and watch as nothing happens.

http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=556


I would like people to be aware of the fact that homeopathy is a pre-scientific philosophy, that it is based entirely on magical thinking and is out of step with the last 200 years of science. People should know that typical homeopathic remedies are diluted to the point that no active ingredient remains, and that homeopaths invoke mysterious vibrations or implausible and highly fanciful water chemistry. I would further like people to know that clinical research with homeopathic remedies, when taken as a whole, show no effect for any such remedy.


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zizou21
Profile Joined September 2006
United States3683 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-15 16:32:10
June 15 2010 16:31 GMT
#7
On June 16 2010 01:30 Maenander wrote:
There is doubt in your heart, so it won't work for you, I am sorry. Only faith can save your lip.

LOL
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Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-15 16:34:00
June 15 2010 16:33 GMT
#8
Nope.

Homeopathy is based on the principle of dilution. Basically, they'll take any toxic substance, dilute it until it's basically pure water, and then say that it cures something. It's one of the many scam "alternative medicines" out there to swindle sick people for their money. Very few alternative medicines actually work. The only thing that really stands out are things like St. John's Wort which is a natural SSRI similar to pharmaceutical anti-depressants. You should be careful when using alternative medicines, because the few that do anything like St. John's Wort can interact with other pharmaceuticals to either reduce or increase their potency, which could be dangerous.
Smu
Profile Joined July 2009
Serbia164 Posts
June 15 2010 16:33 GMT
#9
Homeopathy doesn't work past the placebo effect. This has been tested and proven by studies (which I am too lazy to link atm). My dad wrote a book about paranormal phenomenon and stuff like traditional medicine from a critical point of view, so I had an insight into all of the evidence he had to gather over the years in order to write it.

At best, your lip healed because your body had beaten the infection.
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10501 Posts
June 15 2010 16:40 GMT
#10
On June 16 2010 01:28 APurpleCow wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWE1tH93G9U

Show them this? James Randi explaining why Homeopathy is BS.


This. If they watch this and still don't have doubts then there is no hope for them.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42690 Posts
June 15 2010 16:41 GMT
#11
Whenever something in an alternative medicine works a bunch of scientists get together and start breaking it down until they find the active component. Then they synthesise that component, put it in a pill form and call it actual medicine. I have no doubt that a lot of natural remedies worked but they've been absorbed into medicine, the stuff that's still out on the alternative medicine fringes is the stuff that didn't work.
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ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
June 15 2010 16:43 GMT
#12
Ask them to develop common sense?

If you want to try to convince them, you can start by showing them the abundance of scientific studies that state that homeopathy's only effect is possibly a placebo effect.
Like this, or this, maybe that, or that.

However, if they really believe that homeopathic medicine works better then pure water then there probably is no way to convince them. Sorry...
Krolinkos
Profile Joined February 2010
Australia74 Posts
June 15 2010 16:44 GMT
#13
For a good resource on quackery and pseudo-medicine, I would suggest sciencebasedmedicine.org, and all the respective blogs run by the contributors. I have nothing but the highest praise for both the editors (Novella and Gorski), their efforts over the last few years fighting to somewhat combat the endless bullshit on the internet have been outstanding.

They also have a reference section for factual overviews of common quackery topics, along with indexed posts by topic and links to good outside resources.

Quick links for you:
http://sciencebasedmedicine.org
http://sciencebasedmedicine.org/reference/homeopathy/
Unashamedly nerdy.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-15 16:47:04
June 15 2010 16:44 GMT
#14
Some homeopathy voodoo comes alongside actual medicine in the same bottle or whatever, so in that case the product works but you still get ripped off.

Where I live, I've never seen any homeopathic medicine on any shelves, but when I was in Alberta, it was all over the place. You'd have coughing syrups with the same ingredients as the other ones PLUS homeopathic garbage and that would sell for 3x the price of regular coughing syrup.

The pharmacist (who had been bragging about how awesome he is at medicine and how he has surgeon friends) even saw that I was sick (hawk eye, I was all messed up) - he tried to convince me to buy some of that voodoo stuff. More expensive but works faster, he said. I pointed out that it was homeopathy and he didn't seem to know of the term.

As shown above, James Randi spent a lot of his time fighting that voodoo medicine and it's a shame that in 2010 we still allow the sale of that garbage.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-15 16:48:37
June 15 2010 16:45 GMT
#15
Yes as explained by many people like James Randi and Richard Dawkins homeopath dilutes the substance in water so much that they're literally isn't any of the substance left in the water and is literally just water. They think the water retains memory of the substance somehow but if that were true than the water would just retain the memory of everything and regular tap water would be just as effective if not more so because it's even more diluted. After all water is recycled, the water you drink has passed through other organisms through the mouth and the bladder.

It might have been the most effective medicine in older times simply because medicine sometimes actually was harmful, but compared to today's medicine it's just using the placebo effect to cure people.

RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9947 Posts
June 15 2010 16:48 GMT
#16
On June 16 2010 01:28 APurpleCow wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWE1tH93G9U

Show them this? James Randi explaining why Homeopathy is BS.

haha, I knew it was bullshit, but never really got in to the specifics. This is pretty hilarious.
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Go0g3n
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Russian Federation410 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-15 16:50:42
June 15 2010 16:49 GMT
#17
It basically is the placebo effect, that, however, can be very powerful to an extent of actually curing lethal fast acting cancers (documented cases). The actual powers of the force of will are yet to be studied and explained.
starcraft911
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)1263 Posts
June 15 2010 16:50 GMT
#18
seems like religion and homeopy go hand in hand
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
June 15 2010 16:54 GMT
#19
Homeopathy is the best way to treat health problems for my parents.

Wrong, because you cannot treat anything with homeopathy except perhaps a fat wallet.

It doesn't work.

/thread plz, before all the crazy supporters and trolls roll in.
surprise
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany38 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-15 16:57:03
June 15 2010 16:55 GMT
#20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0]
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