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On July 08 2010 01:51 tofucake wrote:
Right now I'm working on a new build.
So far:
CPU - AMD Phenom II X6 1090TT
Mobo - ASUS M4A89TD (pending, might change to similar one later)
PSU - Corsair CMPSU-850TX 850 Watt
RAM - G.Skill 8 GB Ripjaws (2x4)
HDD - WD 1TB 3.0GB/s SATA
Case - Antec 1200 (pending, will probably switch to Antec 902 or some similar sized tower)
Video Card - Radeon HD 5970
I'll be using my current optical drive and monitors (will replace later though). Final cost after shipping: $1,810.80. All parts from Newegg.
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Price above also includes a tube of Arctic Silver.
If you want a gaming config i think that an i7 would be a better choice than a Phenom II x6 to go with a 5970.
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Even the lowest i7 is more expensive than the Phenom, and it's got a slower clock speed and fewer cores. I'm on a (n admittedly lofty) budget here. And it's gaming+streaming, so those extra cores will be extra helpful.
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On July 08 2010 05:37 tofucake wrote:
Even the lowest i7 is more expensive than the Phenom, and it's got a slower clock speed and fewer cores. I'm on a (n admittedly lofty) budget here. And it's gaming+streaming, so those extra cores will be extra helpful.
No way.
the i7 processor have a HUGE performance per clock advantage over the AMD processors. The extra two cores will not help you at all realistically, it's just that people are going with the six core processors because of future proofing (also e-peen)
An i7-930 with hyper threading will give you 8 threads of performance AND beat out the 1090T in overclocking. If your budget is really that high then go with the i7 980x and own everyone.
The reason AMD processors kick ass is because of the price:performance ratio. For half the price of intel you can get like 60% of the performance.
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5970 is useless unless you really really want to game at above 1080p (even then it's a pretty poor choice for it's cost)
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On July 08 2010 05:37 tofucake wrote:
Even the lowest i7 is more expensive than the Phenom, and it's got a slower clock speed and fewer cores. I'm on a (n admittedly lofty) budget here. And it's gaming+streaming, so those extra cores will be extra helpful.
If you want to save money why are you taking a 5970 ?
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On July 08 2010 05:46 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 05:37 tofucake wrote:
Even the lowest i7 is more expensive than the Phenom, and it's got a slower clock speed and fewer cores. I'm on a (n admittedly lofty) budget here. And it's gaming+streaming, so those extra cores will be extra helpful. If you want to save money why are you taking a 5970 ?
I spent a lot of time decided on the 5970. Basically, it comes down to having the highest performance per $.
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Streaming really doesn't need much in terms of cores if you're only going to stream SC2. An i7 860/920/930 will carry you through just fine, and you'll get better frames because they are the faster cores.
Hyperthreading is a gimmick, but it does help a bit. In terms of streaming, you really just need a bit of extra RAM. i7 930 allows you to do that with the triple channel 6GB RAM and still let you overclock with the stability of only one channel being saturated.
5970 is just a terrible choice overall. Get a 5850 and you'll be done. Antec 1200 is a waste. If you are spending $150 on a case, make it the ATCS 840.
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On July 08 2010 06:03 FragKrag wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 05:59 tofucake wrote:On July 08 2010 05:46 Boblion wrote:On July 08 2010 05:37 tofucake wrote:
Even the lowest i7 is more expensive than the Phenom, and it's got a slower clock speed and fewer cores. I'm on a (n admittedly lofty) budget here. And it's gaming+streaming, so those extra cores will be extra helpful. If you want to save money why are you taking a 5970 ? I spent a lot of time decided on the 5970. Basically, it comes down to having the highest performance per $. r u kiddin http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce-gtx470-sli_15.htmlTwo GTX 470s will run you around $600-680 depending on where you buy them from http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125320HD 5970 will cost you $700
So what you're saying is that if I spend the same price (and it is the same since the 5970 I selected has free shipping), I get more than twice as much heat, noise, and power consumption (requiring me to get 1000W [or higher] supply, btw, which would bring the net cost of dual 470s to well more than $700), and I get an average of 17.3% @ 1600x900, 15.8% @ 1920x1080, and a paltry 6.5% @ 2560x1600 improved performance (overall average of 13%)? No thanks.
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The power consumption of the fermi series is far overrated.
An 850W will easily handle 2 GTX 470s in SLI. As far as heat goes, you could expect the same amount of heat from an SLI GTX 285 setup which many people do and have no problem with.
Then again, this is assuming you need the 5970 in the first place, which you don't. You would be fine with Crossfire 5850 or even a single 5850 if your purpose is streaming SC2.
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On July 08 2010 05:59 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 05:46 Boblion wrote:On July 08 2010 05:37 tofucake wrote:
Even the lowest i7 is more expensive than the Phenom, and it's got a slower clock speed and fewer cores. I'm on a (n admittedly lofty) budget here. And it's gaming+streaming, so those extra cores will be extra helpful. If you want to save money why are you taking a 5970 ? I spent a lot of time decided on the 5970. Basically, it comes down to having the highest performance per $.
Best price/performance ratio would have been to buy an Athlon II x3 + a 4870 8 months ago :p
Nah seriously i don't get your Phenom x6 +5970.
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Even if you want to do GPU Encoding, which I don't believe is supported by FMLE at the moment, you would be better off with an Nvidia card because of CUDA. ATI Stream is not nearly as widely supported as CUDA, and when it is supported, the support is not as good as CUDA.
Even for encoding, GPUs do not need to be very good to encode. A measily HD 5670 or something will encode far better than an i7 980X
You don't need the 5970. If you want it, go for it. I don't have a problem with the 1090T, but for your purposes an Intel i7 would be better. A 5850/5870/GTX 470/GTX 480 would suit your build much better.
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On July 08 2010 09:54 FragKrag wrote:
The power consumption of the fermi series is far overrated.
An 850W will easily handle 2 GTX 470s in SLI. As far as heat goes, you could expect the same amount of heat from an SLI GTX 285 setup which many people do and have no problem with.
Then again, this is assuming you need the 5970 in the first place, which you don't. You would be fine with Crossfire 5850 or even a single 5850 if your purpose is streaming SC2.
No, it's not my only purpose. I will be streaming multiple games, including SC2, CS 1.6 which requires little, ME:2, possibly DoW2, and I also do video encoding unrelated to gaming. There's also plenty of gaming I'll be doing that I won't stream.
And I'm not using the same motherboard listed anymore. I've instead swapped it out for a similar one with a few fewer features (1 less PCIe 2.0 slot and no 1600 RAM, since the Phenom only supports 1333 anyway) to save another $60. But point taken on the power and heat. Either way, I've still got a few weeks before I order, so I'll mull over it.
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On July 08 2010 10:10 FragKrag wrote:
Even if you want to do GPU Encoding, which I don't believe is supported by FMLE at the moment, you would be better off with an Nvidia card because of CUDA. ATI Stream is not nearly as widely supported as CUDA, and when it is supported, the support is not as good as CUDA.
Even for encoding, GPUs do not need to be very good to encode. A measily HD 5670 or something will encode far better than an i7 980X
You don't need the 5970. If you want it, go for it. I don't have a problem with the 1090T, but for your purposes an Intel i7 would be better. A 5850/5870/GTX 470/GTX 480 would suit your build much better.
i7's are too expensive for the performance relative to the 1090T.
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Streaming puts almost 0 stress on the GPU.
GPGPU has not advanced far enough for it to be very common place at the moment. I would say get an HD 5870 and a better motherboard so you can add another. ME:2 puts almost no stress on the 5870 (even before catalyst drivers), and the 5870 was averaging 60+ fps on DoW2 before catalyst drivers as well.
I wouldn't skimp on the motheboard. Better motherboards give better overclocking capabilities and features you don't realize you want until you need them. (like a clear CMOS button)
You don't need the 5970 unless you are doing tri-monitor eyefinity or like 2560x1600.
Uh the 1090T is $300, you can pick up an i7 930 @ Microcenter for $200-230 (depending on the day) or $280 or so at Newegg. The cost comes from the X58 (which is comparable to the 890FX/790FX motherboards)
And I have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to performance. If you are going to encode, then yes the 1090T wins over the i7 930/860, but if you are talking about gaming, the i7s are still miles ahead in every regard.
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Something like this Roggles?
![[image loading]](http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4809/hurrb.png)
An aftermarket cooler isn't necessary but it's nice to have.
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HDT isn't exactly the best cooler for it's price atm. Could get a Scythe Mugen Revision 2 for the same price and it performs better.
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