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On June 08 2010 09:03 Saechiis wrote:
*sigh* Some people won't be happy till siege tanks can be overtaken by a zergling. Unfortunately Blizzard's numbers suggest the oppposite , since ZvT is pretty much 55% across the board in favor of Zerg. But ofcourse you will counter that by saying Blizzard is a money-snatching company that hates anything Zerg. In fact, they've probably received Terran money to makes roaches 2 supply. *those bastards*
I would like someone to do a Poll on what race TL members play, wouldn't be surprised to see a majority of Zerg. And after that we'll calculate the "whine-percentage" of each race, I'm guessing it's imba.
My thoughts also I'm pretty sure the polls show which two races have the highest amount of people playing them.
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On April 23 2010 19:43 Unstable wrote:
Protoss players vote that Zerg or Terran is the strongest, whilst their race is the weakest
Zerg players vote that Protoss is the strongest, whilst their race is the weakest
Terrans vote that either Protoss or Zerg is the strongest, whilst their race is the weakest.
The result; a biased and faulty data-chart.
Doubt it, all zerg will vote terran are strongest.
Mech is just so strong, you have to do rediculous perfect micro and macro to beat half assed mech.
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Wouldn't the least strongest be the weakest
and the least weakest be the strongest?
So why are there 2 polls? We have like 180 more people voting in the most strongest poll anyway.
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Can OP please add an option that asks what race they (the voter) uses?
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On June 08 2010 09:26 EliteAzn wrote:
Can OP please add an option that asks what race they (the voter) uses?
Absolutely but then again I don't think that will make this poll linear in any way lol.
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Best->worst
1. Protoss
2. Terran
3. Zerg
My reasoning:
Toss' mechanics of warping in units anywhere on the map and the sheer excellence of their 1-base play is unreal. As well as their ability to chronoboost that early economy. The mechanic of their units being the best but taking the longest to build isn't the case in Starcraft 2. With chronoboost and warpgates, they can pump out units off 4-6 gateway faster than can be handled a lot of the time. Hence why we see so many games decided by Toss 1-base play.
Terran is second because of how good mech is, especially versus Zerg. Weaker Terran players are taking out stronger Zerg players left and right with mech (TLO defeating Sen multiple times with shingled tanks and hellions. Poop).
Zerg is the weakest right now after the roach nerf and the fact that they rely so heavily on macro dominance to win games. Their units just don't cut it in 1-base play unless a successful muta stall is pulled off. Even then it's a toss-up. TOSS -up.
Something needs to happen to Zerg, preferably a 1-food unit (I wrote a 3 page, single spaced rant on this) needs to be installed somewhere, somehow.
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So now that the beta is concluded, my votes goes like this.
Strongest: Terran > Protoss > Zerg
The difference is really small though, so I'm not really worried. I'd be very happy if they removed sensor towers though, as that makes drop/air play completely useless against T.
That said, there are very few good T's at the moment. I think stronger players who can actually handle the terran race willl appear post launch.
As for difficulty of each race it goes like this for me:
T > Z > P.
I'm getting alot of SC:BW vibes in terms of mechanical difficulty of each race. Every race is more difficult in SC:BW obviously, but the same order of difficulty still.
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Terran has so many options of play. MMM, viking play, tank play, thor play, ravens, drops, FE, defensive play, air supiority, ghosts, hellion harass, viking harass, thor dropship harass. So I gave them #1 spot
Protoss is good, but the strategies are a little more limited right now (until people figure out better strats). warpgate units + collusi or immortal. VR or phoenix harass. dt cheese, and ht + warpgate is pretty much it right now. Tech switching is really hard to do and is really expensive. Also Pylons are like glass. They are great for being able to cover large areas, but if you lose a key pylon it's gg.
Zerg strats are really limited, but effective at times.
Lings, roaches, hydras, mutas are pretty much it. Just mass some lings + 1 other support unit. Expand expand expand.
So I based my vote on how deep the strategy is for the race.
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Terran has the potential to be strongest in my opinion because of the Mech builds, unit composition, and tanks. Consider the common mech build (tanks, thor, viking, raven, marines, helions). What does Zerg or Protoss have to counter this?
So far I have found roaches and ultralisks for Zerg are all.
As for Protoss, mass stalkers with blink, immortals, and charged zealots are the units that counter, and require outplaying the terran player to even have a chance.
I hope future full game expansions bring more units to Zerg, better Hive play, and better anti-air.
Protoss could just use another option when in a PvP match one player goes Void to not mass void rays. Possible increase damage of Pheonix or add another spell to it (maybe researchable)?
Anyway, great game so far! Really enjoy all races, except zerg gets repetitive. Nice thread, I'm sure all of the feedback is very jumbled for Blizzard, but at least it helps!
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Btw:
Terran is second because of how good mech is, especially versus Zerg. Weaker Terran players are taking out stronger Zerg players left and right with mech (TLO defeating Sen multiple times with shingled tanks and hellions. Poop). - RogerChillingworth Ireland. June 08 2010 09:36. Posts 107
TLO is not a weak Terran player. Maybe I understand wrong, but that is completely false.
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On June 08 2010 09:26 dhe95 wrote:
Wouldn't the least strongest be the weakest
and the least weakest be the strongest?
So why are there 2 polls? We have like 180 more people voting in the most strongest poll anyway.
Because they are two different questions. Did you even look at the results? Terran was rated strongest the most, Zerg second most, Protoss third most. So you might think Protoss would be rated weakest by the most people, but no, it's Zerg! A significant amount of people think Zerg are weakest, which isn't really reflected in the results for the first poll
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TLO is an amazing player, but not as good as Sen. I mean c'mon: he cheesed the first 4 games and lost 3/4 of them. And then won the mech games on Kulas Ravine and Desert Oasis.
Please, watch that Desert Oasis game.
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I still think the MU's are balanced as such:
Terran > Zerg
Protoss > Terran
Zerg > Protoss (? not too sure about this one cause I play terran so I'm speaking from pro VOD's mostly)
But really, none of them are too bad.
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I personally feel like in a zerg vs zerg, nobody wins.
Just like how in TvT, everyone wins.
If you know what I mean 
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Agreed on the last two posts ;]
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On June 08 2010 10:30 metasonic wrote:
I still think the MU's are balanced as such:
Terran > Zerg
Protoss > Terran
Zerg > Protoss (? not too sure about this one cause I play terran so I'm speaking from pro VOD's mostly)
But really, none of them are too bad.
as a zerg player, i have a lot of trouble with terran. all my wins are when the player does not go siege tanks.
against protoss, it is also a challenge if they rush colossus (which ive noticed alot more people do lately), and you have to get corrupters up quickly, which means while the zerg player is sweating over macro and microing units against harass, the protoss playing is taking another sip of his water while his colossus go up behind his wall with 3 cannons
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yeah it's retarded. I have, as a Zerg player, an easier time against Terran than Prottoss. Simply because it's easier to pin down a T than it is to pin down a P. Especially on 2-base play. Mutas are hit or miss versus a P.
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On June 08 2010 09:26 EliteAzn wrote:
Can OP please add an option that asks what race they (the voter) uses?
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On June 08 2010 10:30 metasonic wrote:
I still think the MU's are balanced as such:
Terran > Zerg
Protoss > Terran
Zerg > Protoss (? not too sure about this one cause I play terran so I'm speaking from pro VOD's mostly)
But really, none of them are too bad.
This goes along with SC lore.
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On June 08 2010 11:03 larjarse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2010 10:30 metasonic wrote:
I still think the MU's are balanced as such:
Terran > Zerg
Protoss > Terran
Zerg > Protoss (? not too sure about this one cause I play terran so I'm speaking from pro VOD's mostly)
But really, none of them are too bad. This goes along with SC lore.
except that there are a total of 9 MUs in the game 6 if you exclude the mirrors.
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