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Avidkeystamper

United States8551 Posts

July 30 2009 14:36 GMT

#741

On July 30 2009 23:27 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
Breaking News

(Z)

Jaedong has more KeSPA rated wins than (T)

BoxeR and now has the second most overall

(Z)

Jaedong now also has #1 ELO, in addition to his #1 PR and #1 KeSPA ranking

Technically he has GOM wins, so no he doesn't

StorrZerg

United States13911 Posts

July 30 2009 14:41 GMT

#742

On July 30 2009 23:36 Avidkeystamper wrote:

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Technically he has GOM wins, so no he doesn't

well TL dosnt give a crap about kespa

vaMpYr

France119 Posts

July 30 2009 14:46 GMT

#743

On July 30 2009 23:06 Shikyo wrote:

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On July 30 2009 22:03 vaMpYr wrote:

On July 30 2009 21:42 Shikyo wrote:

On July 30 2009 21:38 vaMpYr wrote:

On July 30 2009 21:17 Shikyo wrote:

On July 30 2009 21:06 vaMpYr wrote:
ok now who think here effort is the "no doubt" 2nd Zerg ? i think now people will think harder now before autoproclame their idol "no doubt 2nd zerg" . my favourites zerg after jaedong are calm and yellow arnc , but im still thinking calm is NOT better than effort . effort calm or yellow arnc have a LOT to prove before being proclame best Z with jaedong . starcraft is not about a few games . remember that .

Well the thing with Yarnc is that his ZvT is amazing but other MUs... not so. Especially his ZvP is extremely lackluster. Calm is also kind of a ZvT player. I believe that Effort is the second-most well-rounded in every MU. Zero is up there as well, but he's way too inconsistant. Jaedong is still clearly the best, most consistant Zerg, with no weak MUs and only tiny "slumps" that never last for longer than a week or two.

yellow arnc is VERY good at zvz . he won effort at PL playoffs and should have won again in super ACE . he just felt down under pressure , effort didnt . yellow arnc has now some of best zvz . there is a lot potential of best zvz with jaedong . i can give you yellow arnc , effort , calm , zero and hyvaa . and i think i can talk obout oversky in top zvz . and savior is getting very good in zvz lately . i think he can back

. only jaedong is a step higher than the others .

and about effort 2nd zerg , yellow arnc is cleary better than him in zvt , we can't say effort is better in zvz than the others , and i think Zero has better zvp now than effort . so what does effort have ? only consitant maybe .

All these top zvz players you talk about are inconsistant and about 50% lifetime. No thank you. Yarnc's problem isn't zvz, it's his zvp. Savior getting very good at zvz? Okay, you just lost all of your credibility.

and where have you seen effort has always been good in zvz ? he just improved in zvz recently to reach the top . but just 3 month ago , the best zvz with jaedong was not effort at all . i remember hyvaa , oversky , yellow arnc and Zero the top zvz . in zvt effort is not the best , in zvz effort is not even the 2nd best and in zvp effort is not the best . so why do u think he is 2nd plz ?

and about savior my dear , as much as im not so fan of him , i can cleary see he is getting very good lately . even if he only lose , he is getting really better . vs canata MSL vs type b PL playoffs , he was really good . and he should have won this two games in my opinion . savior lost an early hatchery vs canata , but he still making the game great and long . he crushed everybody in heritage league , and with scary easiness . i think savior can really back , and i think he can reach the top zvz really soon .

being the best in some mu or being better than an other player doesnt mean u win more . its not all about the results . if we care only the results , we could say many stupid things .

let me remember you that the biggest legend of starcraft is a player who have shown many less results than many other legends . its not all about the results .

Didn't read more than 15% of the post because the terrible grammar and nonsense hurt my eyes, but try: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/detailed-elo?race=Z#tblt-1018-1-6-DESC

Oh yeah, also. I think he's second-best because he doesn't suck at any MU. I don't care if yarnc has the best zvt in the world when his zvz is above average and his zvp is horrible. I don't care if July is the best zvp in the world if his zvt and zvz can't win against even the worst of a-class players.

-_- Savior can reach the top zvz really soon? He has NEVER been good at zvz, have you SEEN his recent zvzs? His muta-v-scourge micro is b-teamer level.

you are going more and more pathetic . yellow arnc has a zvz at least same as effort , maybe better . i really dont see why u see effort so good at zvz . i repeat it again , its not because he win more zvz than any player that we could say him to be better zvz . i dont watch the results only to see who has the best zvz . ITS NOT ALL ABOUT THE RESULTS . my god where are you from ? effort has NOT the best zvt NOT the best zvp and NOT the 2nd best zvz . how the fuck can you think so well of him ? he is just very good player with others . he is not alone to want the rival jaedong sit , he is i think more consistant than yellow arnc or zero , i give you that . and one more thing , zvz is improving lately , so level is higher and being top 1 in zvz is getting harder and harder . one day we see effort losing 3 0 to calm , and the next day we can see effort winning jaedong 2 0 . ( in GOMTV , the less important league in korea , where SKT didnt played , where there was many jokes results ) . i repeat you effort is NOT the 2nd zerg in korea . calm can be . zero can be . yellow arnc can be now .

savior had a poor zvz in his early days , but at the end of his career , he was very good at it . his most recent zvz are not effort or calm level , but they are showing he is coming back without doubt .

how can you be so sure effort is the 2nd Z in korea after seeing him lose 0 3 to calm and 0 3 to iris . yellow arnc did 1 1 in playoffs vs him (awesome zvzs i can say ) . effort is OUT of OSL ( losing to flash and jaedong ) . OUT of MSL ( losing to calm ) and OUT of gomTV ( losing to iris ). HOW CAN U BE SO PROUD OF HIM .

i prefere a lot more calm , zero and yellow arnc than effort , but i would never say they are the " no doubt" 2nd Z in korea . but you would about effort . you are just pathetic .

alt.tday

United States180 Posts

July 30 2009 14:47 GMT

#744

WHAT THE FUCK. calm what the fuck. i gotta watch these games. he beat fucking effort at his best matchup. dude effort's practicing too much for proleague. he's gotta practice for other stuff too.

nK)Duke

Germany936 Posts

July 30 2009 14:48 GMT

#745

On July 30 2009 23:27 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
Breaking News

(Z)

Jaedong has more KeSPA rated wins than (T)

BoxeR and now has the second most overall

(Z)

Jaedong now also has #1 ELO, in addition to his #1 PR and #1 KeSPA ranking

July, Xellos, Nada?

dcberkeley

Canada844 Posts

July 30 2009 14:52 GMT

#746

On July 30 2009 21:06 vaMpYr wrote:
ITS NOT ALL ABOUT THE RESULTS .

Dude, it's his opinion chill out.

Applying the same logic, seeing him lose 0-3 doesn't mean anything because those are just results like you said.

A counter argument (that I think is true) would be that Coach Cho told Effort how important PL is and he's doing everything he can to carry his team to win PL while sacrificing his individuals. It might not be true, but god man, chill out.

StorrZerg

United States13911 Posts

July 30 2009 14:56 GMT

#747

On July 30 2009 23:48 nK)Duke wrote:

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July, Xellos, Nada?

jaedong is higher than xellos and july.

though nada does have a crap load more.. so wonder what he meant then?

Metallingus

Philippines468 Posts

July 30 2009 14:57 GMT

#748

Chiiiiiiiiiiiiiill.

Kinda contradictory how it's pointed out that "ITS NOT ALL ABOUT THE RESULTS" and then followed up by the fact that EffOrt is out of all the individual leagues. Regardless, he's hell of a lot more solid than most Zs out there and a case sure as hell can be made for him being the next best Z after Jaedong.

Carnivorous Sheep

Baa?21242 Posts

July 30 2009 15:04 GMT

#749

O hai.

On July 23 2009 13:50 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Calm will destroy Effort, and I will drink the CJ fanboys' tears with glee.

Pity my overall LB sucks this season

Avidkeystamper

United States8551 Posts

July 30 2009 15:04 GMT

#750

I see you LB'ed ZerO.

StorrZerg

United States13911 Posts

July 30 2009 15:05 GMT

#751

On July 31 2009 00:04 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
O hai.

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Pity my overall LB sucks this season

thats my LB cept iris is gonna beat bisu

Carnivorous Sheep

Baa?21242 Posts

July 30 2009 15:09 GMT

#752

On July 31 2009 00:04 Avidkeystamper wrote:
I see you LB'ed ZerO.

Down with CJ.

And how can I NOT LB for Zero after all that sexy shit he did on Holy World/Heartbreak Ridge?

vaMpYr

France119 Posts

July 30 2009 15:12 GMT

#753

On July 30 2009 23:52 dcberkeley wrote:

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yes its exactly what i said , calm winning 3 0 effort doesnt mean calm > effort . im not subjective about the results or the games like too many people outside korea . ( korean are not )

boxer is the most respected and favourite progamer of all time , he has never been the best . never .

about your coach thing , i am really agree with you , proleague is now really more important than the individuals . it was not 2 years ago . now many progamers saying they fight only for their teams . so yes effort is really in the top Zerg with the proleague , but he is not the only one . calm has better stats in proleague than effort .

one thing makes me believe effort is a potential 2nd Z , without that , i would think calm and yellow arnc are better ( zero sucks in proleague , so i dont wanna talk about him ) . in the super ACE between yellow arnc and effort , the pressure was at maximum , it was ONE game for advances in the most important league of all time , the 08 09 proleague . and more than that , it was a zvz , the most pressured match up . yellow arnc felt down under pressure when he had a clear advantage , effort did not felt down , he did well , he played well , as well as yellow arnc , but he played with more confidence and relax . that is the thing of a great champion .

this is the only thing why i respect effort now as a very good player . but i really dont like so much his playstyle . he remind me luxury , who i used to hate so much ( hes dead now :p )

animus123

United States171 Posts

July 30 2009 15:13 GMT

#754

On July 30 2009 22:59 Nylan wrote:
Is it too soon to call Effort Neo-Leta?

or how about neo-sea

Carnivorous Sheep

Baa?21242 Posts

July 30 2009 15:16 GMT

#755

On July 31 2009 00:12 vaMpYr wrote:
boxer is the most respected and favourite progamer of all time , he has never been the best . never .

Uhm, what? Boxer spent considerable amounts of time being a "bonjwa," or at least winning SLs and sitting at #1 Kespa.

Gumbo

Canada807 Posts

July 30 2009 15:20 GMT

#756

On July 30 2009 21:06 vaMpYr wrote:

boxer is the most respected and favourite progamer of all time , he has never been the best . never .

Wasnt Boxer #1 Kespa for 17 months?

nonduc

Russian Federation405 Posts

July 30 2009 15:29 GMT

#757

Boxer took an absolute record at KeSPA rating — on Dec 2002 (!) he received 2398 Points. (The next absolute record was by Jaedong on Mar 2008 — after 5 more years.)

alffla

Hong Kong20321 Posts

July 30 2009 15:32 GMT

#758

FUUUUUUUUUUUU EFFORTTTTTTTTTT >_________<

Carnivorous Sheep

Baa?21242 Posts

July 30 2009 15:37 GMT

#759

Oh and Calm is baller because he basically was a mind reader. It helps being on the same team and practicing with the master of the metagame, July =D

Now I'm happy because I'll be ecstatic whether Jaedong or Calm wins, and I'll cheer for the winner in the finals ^^

Mindcrime

United States6899 Posts

July 30 2009 15:39 GMT

#760

On July 31 2009 00:12 vaMpYr wrote:
boxer is the most respected and favourite progamer of all time , he has never been the best . never .

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