EPT[MSL] Avalon MSL Quarter-Finals Day 2 - Page 39
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vaMpYr
France119 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
On July 31 2009 00:41 vaMpYr wrote: boxer has yes 1# kespa for some time , won SL and many finales ect ect . but he has never been respected as the best player around . nada was , iloveoov was , savior was . but boxer was not . he always sucked in tvp , lost many games in important cases , and had negative record vs many players . he is respected as the greatest starcrat player in history because he was the most creative , the most spectacular ( his micro .. ) , and the most intelligent . he has invented maybe 50% of starcraft and 70% of the terran race . without boxer , starcraft would not be as we see it now . results is not all to be the greatest player . What the fuck lol. Nada didn't win anything when Boxer was at his peak of dominance. Boxer TAUGHT Iloveoov. Savior is practically a newfag compared to Boxer. Back when Boxer was dominating, yeah, he was dominating. He was definitely the best around in his day... edit: I feel trolled T_T | ||
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poilord
Germany3252 Posts
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vaMpYr
France119 Posts
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On July 31 2009 00:41 vaMpYr wrote: boxer has yes 1# kespa for some time , won SL and many finales ect ect . but he has never been respected as the best player around . nada was , iloveoov was , savior was . but boxer was not . he always sucked in tvp , lost many games in important cases , and had negative record vs many players . he is respected as the greatest starcrat player in history because he was the most creative , the most spectacular ( his micro .. ) , and the most intelligent . he has invented maybe 50% of starcraft and 70% of the terran race . without boxer , starcraft would not be as we see it now . results is not all to be the greatest player . please do not post false information. The bonjwa line starts with BoxeR. You are talking about 2002-era, where his TvP started to fall and NaDa began taking over the scene. Pre-2002 BoxeR was indeed THE dominant player. He was the original creater of dropship micro. All the thigns Fantasy and Leta do so well now, (dropship, vultures) BoxeR began way back then. The metagame changed to much more macro heavy, which is why he started to losing a lot of TvP's, but until then his micro-heavy timing push style was unstoppable for many good progamers. Now the metagame changed to mix in both elements. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
Damn CJ for overworking the alien zerg!!! | ||
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imDerek
United States1944 Posts
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StorrZerg
United States13911 Posts
On July 31 2009 00:51 vaMpYr wrote: being the best player around is very hard and rare . if you create a poll to choose the best player for the 3 past years , jaedong wont win the pool , bisu wont either , stork wont either , flash wont either . being the best player around without doubt is very very hard . boxer was not like that same thing for nal ra or reach . but nada iloveoov and savior were during their days . Welcome to TL. and Jaedong auto vote  | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On July 30 2009 22:59 Nylan wrote: Is it too soon to call Effort Neo-Leta? Honestly, teams probably prefer having players that win team prestige over individual prestige. | ||
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clazziquai
6685 Posts
I hope he will win. IMO he's underrated. | ||
disciple
9070 Posts
exactly. I searched google to find the best facepalm picture, but hey, vaMpYr - do this yourself, buddy | ||
DivinO
United States4796 Posts
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B1nary
Canada1267 Posts
On July 31 2009 00:51 vaMpYr wrote: being the best player around is very hard and rare . if you create a poll to choose the best player for the 3 past years , jaedong wont win the pool , bisu wont either , stork wont either , flash wont either . being the best player around without doubt is very very hard . boxer was not like that same thing for nal ra or reach . but nada iloveoov and savior were during their days . Then clearly, you haven't paid any attention to the pro-scene in 2001. I don't think I even knew what Starcraft was back then and even I know Boxer was respected as the best back then. Coming on TL and trying to impose your "facts" on everyone else isn't the way to go. P.S. Sorry if English isn't your first language but please, please, capitalize... | ||
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Presony-Boy
Israel812 Posts
On July 31 2009 01:31 clazziquai wrote: Calm for MSL Winner....PLEASE. I hope he will win. IMO he's underrated. exactly, calm is underrated. really hope he can win this msl =] | ||
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3clipse
Canada2555 Posts
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
...what I think vaMpYr is trying to say (or at least what I'll say) is that ever since the fall of  sAviOr, there has been quite a bit of parity in pro-starcraft. Now currently, the great players aren't #1 on the PR every month, or winners of back-to-back-to-back starleagues. That really doesn't happen anymore, because there are more players with good macro, mechanical skill, and game sense than ever before. Obviously,  Bisu holds the highest ELO of all time, and he and Jaedong have been on the power rankings (in the top 5 too, I looked this up once but I've forgotten the exact numbers) consecutively for years now. The standards of dominance are now different. That said, the best players right now would (and sometimes do) demolish any great player of the past.*** As for EffOrt, I think his skill with the 12 hatch reached its peak against great when he was able to successfully defeat the hard counter to his build. If EffOrt was able to succeed with his 12 hatches against Calm, that is to say he would have made the 12 hatch a safe strategy, then we might have seen a fundamental reordering of ZvZ. However, as Calm showed (and he is up there with YellOw[ArnC] as the third best zerg) a competent, well-informed zerg player can punish the 12 hatch, at least on certain maps. This sets up interesting mind-games against Jaedong, because EffOrt may have to rethink his ZvZ, or he may just go with the 12 hatch, assuming Jaedong will expect a change. | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
On July 30 2009 20:38 arbiter_md wrote: Effort > Jaedon 2-0 Calm > Effort 3-0 Calm vs Jaedong - ? What Jaedong can do? Kill him, just like Jaedong does to any other Zerg. Jaedong's 0-2 vs. Effort came at the end of a grueling 2 weeks with an average of almost 1 game a day. Jaedong had a lot of different matchups to practice for and was exhausted by the end of those hell weeks. Effort, on the other hand, has nothing but ZvZ for the next few days. His ZvZ vs. July in GOM, his (possibly many) ZvZ vs. Jaedong and ggaemo in the PL. And this ZvZ series. Being beaten 2-0 after weeks of unending play is one thing. Being beaten 3-0 when that matchup is the only one you have to practice is another. | ||
Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
OSL is yours! Seize your destiny! | ||
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saikeraku
Canada2933 Posts
On July 30 2009 15:20 saikeraku wrote: jd and calm will take it tonight. Woot, JD and Calm! =) | ||
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