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On July 31 2009 07:38 Dgtl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2009 07:00 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 31 2009 06:08 snapcrackle wrote:On July 31 2009 04:47 darktreb wrote:On July 31 2009 00:04 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Pity my overall LB sucks this season  Gee, with bets like Calm > Effort in a BO5 I wonder why. Guessing you rolled July > Flash as well? I liquidbetted Calm > Effort in a BO5... My LB doesn't suck this season. effort really showed in his recent games that he was just a fluke and that helps reason my guess. Fluke my ass. He's been performing ALL SUMMER. He only lost to Iris after DEMOLISHING KHAN with 3 wins, and he lost a ZvZ, the most upset-likely matchup, against a very respectable Z player. Just because he's lost a tad bit doesn't mean he's a fluke. Should we say the same about JD? Bisu? Any of the other top players? Show nested quote +On July 31 2009 06:29 King K. Rool wrote:On July 31 2009 06:08 snapcrackle wrote:On July 31 2009 04:47 darktreb wrote:On July 31 2009 00:04 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Pity my overall LB sucks this season Gee, with bets like Calm > Effort in a BO5 I wonder why. Guessing you rolled July > Flash as well? I liquidbetted Calm > Effort in a BO5... My LB doesn't suck this season. effort really showed in his recent games that he was just a fluke and that helps reason my guess. CJ fanboy rage time: FLUKE?! He lost to iris after decimating Khan pretty much single handed. Then he lost because he chose to 12 hatch, which was dumb, but to call him a fluke is way too much. I find it funny that you guys posted almost the same thing write after each other. Do CJ fans flame in floks? Granted I do kinda agree with what you are saying because this is exactly like what flash does. Very few players can handle a busy PL schedual and SL's. Jaedong and maybe Bisu are the only ones who are kinda able to do this, even then Bisu falls short often.
What are you talking about? With a comment like that, you don't expect EffOrt/CJ fans to argue against that?
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On July 31 2009 13:14 Warrior Madness wrote:
Someone tell me how you're supposed to beat an 8 rax bunker rush into Valkonic?
play like jaedong
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Calm was really no big underdog against Effort? (but he was the underdog).
People also seem to forget that Game 1 of this series was a *normal* ZvZ which Calm also won... Yes, game 2 and 3 were BO wins, well deserved BO wins, if you go 12 hatch your asking for it.
Btw:
Yes, I voted also July > Flash and 2 of the 3 games were really close, it still boggles me how july could lose the second game (and the third)...
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On July 31 2009 14:37 Ideas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2009 11:51 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On July 31 2009 11:01 Ideas wrote:On July 31 2009 10:46 Trezeguet23 wrote:On July 31 2009 10:02 Sigrun wrote:
It's general consensus that the bonjwas are: Boxer, iloveoov, Nada, Savior, so you are wrong.
Boxer's only difference is that he didn't follow the pattern of 3 MSL 1 OSL, but I think his back to back OSL wins (followed by another finals appearance the following season) speaks for itself. Not to mention the fact that being given the wrong map could have cost him a 3rd osl back-to-back WCG tittles too You can also say that wrong maps cost YellOw about every SL in the few years he was top Zerg :d Crying about map imba is only fun to do in the moment, not years after -goes off to rabble about Byzantium- I don't believe it was a complaint about imba maps but that Boxer was given a version of a map to practice on and it changed in the final and no one told him (it had a cliffable base in the version he was given and he went for a fast dropship build only to not find a cliff or something I believe).
My reading comprehension skills are weak D:
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On July 31 2009 07:00 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2009 06:08 snapcrackle wrote:On July 31 2009 04:47 darktreb wrote:On July 31 2009 00:04 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Pity my overall LB sucks this season Gee, with bets like Calm > Effort in a BO5 I wonder why. Guessing you rolled July > Flash as well? I liquidbetted Calm > Effort in a BO5... My LB doesn't suck this season. effort really showed in his recent games that he was just a fluke and that helps reason my guess. Fluke my ass. He's been performing ALL SUMMER. He only lost to Iris after DEMOLISHING KHAN with 3 wins, and he lost a ZvZ, the most upset-likely matchup, against a very respectable Z player. Just because he's lost a tad bit doesn't mean he's a fluke. Should we say the same about JD? Bisu? Any of the other top players?
Yes a fluke... just like Leta, just like By hero, just like canata currently is, just like Kal was, just like best was in his osl run, just like skyhigh will be a fluke soon. By fluke i mean they have their time of dominance for 3-6 months.... but after that they will just become an average player. Only progamers who have consistently held up (and not been flukes) so far since 2006. 2007 are stork (he's slumping bad and i dont think he will recover... but he wasn't a fluke with all his silvers), bisu, jaedong, flash, fantasy. None of the others that i mentioned as flukes have held a good run for long and have much to prove. Just because they are "hot" right now doesn't make them a favorite over others who are close in elo/skill level. Calm and effort in my view were evenly matched. But calm was the one i chose because effort was overrated atm... calms micro definitely showed a lot of skill. Watch his game vs seashield... wow, impressive micro/intuition. Effort on the other hand just reminds me of an aggressive JD. He has what it takes but doesn't seem to show anything else but good micro.
Anyways to each their own..... i think effort is a fluke atm... as well as skyhigh.. It won't be long before we see iris taking his seat as cj's ace or another upcoming rookie. Those 2 will pass in a couple months.
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
I always said until Effort wins in individual leagues he is just another Leta.
Overrated.
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On July 31 2009 20:44 snapcrackle wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2009 07:00 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 31 2009 06:08 snapcrackle wrote:On July 31 2009 04:47 darktreb wrote:On July 31 2009 00:04 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Pity my overall LB sucks this season Gee, with bets like Calm > Effort in a BO5 I wonder why. Guessing you rolled July > Flash as well? I liquidbetted Calm > Effort in a BO5... My LB doesn't suck this season. effort really showed in his recent games that he was just a fluke and that helps reason my guess. Fluke my ass. He's been performing ALL SUMMER. He only lost to Iris after DEMOLISHING KHAN with 3 wins, and he lost a ZvZ, the most upset-likely matchup, against a very respectable Z player. Just because he's lost a tad bit doesn't mean he's a fluke. Should we say the same about JD? Bisu? Any of the other top players? Yes a fluke... just like Leta, just like By hero, just like canata currently is, just like Kal was, just like best was in his osl run, just like skyhigh will be a fluke soon. By fluke i mean they have their time of dominance for 3-6 months.... but after that they will just become an average player. Only progamers who have consistently held up (and not been flukes) so far since 2006. 2007 are stork (he's slumping bad and i dont think he will recover... but he wasn't a fluke with all his silvers), bisu, jaedong, flash, fantasy. None of the others that i mentioned as flukes have held a good run for long and have much to prove. Just because they are "hot" right now doesn't make them a favorite over others who are close in elo/skill level. Calm and effort in my view were evenly matched. But calm was the one i chose because effort was overrated atm... calms micro definitely showed a lot of skill. Watch his game vs seashield... wow, impressive micro/intuition. Effort on the other hand just reminds me of an aggressive JD. He has what it takes but doesn't seem to show anything else but good micro. Anyways to each their own..... i think effort is a fluke atm... as well as skyhigh.. It won't be long before we see iris taking his seat as cj's ace or another upcoming rookie. Those 2 will pass in a couple months.
i love you <3
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i will just say one thing more , i think stork has not finished his beautiful career ^^ . i think he can all surprise us in the next months .
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Calm and Skyhigh won't become S-class and be really dominant like some of the players you listed, but I feel Effort still has the potential. Though he doesn't seem to handle being overworked very well, so it'd be better for him to focus on just one league next season.
I don't think Effort's overhyped yet, but Skyhigh definitely has been.
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On July 31 2009 00:37 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Oh and Calm is baller because he basically was a mind reader. It helps being on the same team and practicing with the master of the metagame, July =D
Now I'm happy because I'll be ecstatic whether Jaedong or Calm wins, and I'll cheer for the winner in the finals ^^
Calm didn't read anyone's mind. You almost knew effort was going to 12 hatch. He 12 hatched vs luxury in the superace(sparkyz) and 12 hatched vs by.great during the ace(samsung). He thinks he can get away with it, cause he won those two games, so he became overconfident in his build. Look at the cockiness in the last game. He saw the OL flying over and he still built the fucking hatch!
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On August 01 2009 04:04 hacpee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2009 00:37 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Oh and Calm is baller because he basically was a mind reader. It helps being on the same team and practicing with the master of the metagame, July =D
Now I'm happy because I'll be ecstatic whether Jaedong or Calm wins, and I'll cheer for the winner in the finals ^^ Calm didn't read anyone's mind. You almost knew effort was going to 12 hatch. He 12 hatched vs luxury in the superace(sparkyz) and 12 hatched vs by.great during the ace(samsung). He thinks he can get away with it, cause he won those two games, so he became overconfident in his build. Look at the cockiness in the last game. He saw the OL flying over and he still built the fucking hatch!
you realized you just said calm didn't predict anything but immediately afterward said how calm predicted effort would 12-hatch, right?
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On August 01 2009 04:17 Ideas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2009 04:04 hacpee wrote:On July 31 2009 00:37 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Oh and Calm is baller because he basically was a mind reader. It helps being on the same team and practicing with the master of the metagame, July =D
Now I'm happy because I'll be ecstatic whether Jaedong or Calm wins, and I'll cheer for the winner in the finals ^^ Calm didn't read anyone's mind. You almost knew effort was going to 12 hatch. He 12 hatched vs luxury in the superace(sparkyz) and 12 hatched vs by.great during the ace(samsung). He thinks he can get away with it, cause he won those two games, so he became overconfident in his build. Look at the cockiness in the last game. He saw the OL flying over and he still built the fucking hatch! you realized you just said calm didn't predict anything but immediately afterward said how calm predicted effort would 12-hatch, right?
I said he didn't read anyone's mind. He isn't a mind-reader. If you're playing against bisu as zerg, you know he's going to fe fast expand. Did you read his mind? No.
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Um, 20/20 hindsight. Those were good predictions by Calm. Your logic is really bad because you already know the results.
Lol, if Effort goes 12 hatch tonight, you can use the same logic by saying that he was stubborn in this series, so why would he chance?
If effort goes 9 pool, you could say that he just got owned by 12 hatch two times in a row, it'd be stupid to do it again.
Also, why didn't any of Effort's previous opponents know this? Does doing the same build 2 times in a row somehow make it obvious that they'll continue doing it? Why does it arbitrarily stop at 2?
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