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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On June 06 2009 06:20 Klive5ive wrote: Yeah because footballers never break the rules. They never shout abuse at the camera. They get punished if they do. Either by Fifa or their clubs. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On June 06 2009 06:21 floor exercise wrote: Why not? Does he have any korean fans? If he's worthless and nobody likes him, I can't see a reason to keep him around He has lots of foreign fans. Lots of people like his. He is a key tie between the foreign community and Korea. He will be important for SC2 especially the early transition,. | ||
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On June 06 2009 06:21 floor exercise wrote: Why not? Does he have any korean fans? If he's worthless and nobody likes him, I can't see a reason to keep him around ? I'd say he's more interesting than your average Korean B teamer just given the fact that he's a white guy.. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On June 06 2009 06:23 SuperArc wrote: They get punished if they do. Either by Fifa or their clubs. Yes..... I didn't say otherwise. In this case Idra didn't even break a rule but you could argue he acted poorly. Maybe take a game away from him in the next round. But as I said if it was football the commentator would be fired in an instant. You can't make personal attacks live on air it's totally unprofessional. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
I am sure the same thing would apply to other sports, the owner of the tournament can do w/e he wants. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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exkgb
United States504 Posts
Actually on a second thought, maybe Idra is good for Esports because he represents a different kind of personality than the typical oh-so-polite korean Pro-gamer, which I think is just fake and ridiculous. I mean people even give Bisu sh*t coz saying "I will win" in his interviews makes him arrogant?? Some might argue that what he did is not "professional" and degrades Esports but if you look at other sports out there, athletes are not forced to throw away their personality in order to conform to a certain stereotype. In interviews with other athletes in competitive sports, a lot of them are always dissing on their opponents and cursing. I think having a little swag simply makes things more interesting and it makes Esports more appealing to the mass market. Maybe its an Asian thing to conform. Just my 2 cents =P | ||
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Zafrumi
Switzerland1272 Posts
On June 06 2009 02:00 IdrA wrote: we didnt even fucking know it was gonna be broadcast on gom, or anywhere, when we played it last round they just published replays how about from now on you just assume every game you play is gonna be broadcast and not say anything offensive? might solve some problems | ||
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DIMJkE
Bulgaria425 Posts
On June 06 2009 07:04 exkgb wrote: Wooww, wherever Idra goes, controversy and drama follows. Actually on a second thought, maybe Idra is good for Esports because he represents a different kind of personality than the typical oh-so-polite korean Pro-gamer, which I think is just fake and ridiculous. I mean people even give Bisu sh*t coz saying "I will win" in his interviews makes him arrogant?? Some might argue that what he did is not "professional" and degrades Esports but if you look at other sports out there, athletes are not forced to throw away their personality in order to conform to a certain stereotype. In interviews with other athletes in competitive sports, a lot of them are always dissing on their opponents and cursing. I think having a little swag simply makes things more interesting and it makes Esports more appealing to the mass market. Maybe its an Asian thing to conform. Just my 2 cents =P Oh yeah, I remember the interview with Roger Rederer when he called everyone 'fucking skilless newbies'. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
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.gypsy
Canada689 Posts
On June 06 2009 07:07 Zafrumi wrote: how about from now on you just assume every game you play is gonna be broadcast and not say anything offensive? might solve some problems Nice first post =D Seriously though, he didn't say anything offensive, unless you actually take ''fuck'' as being offensive and rage about hearing the word....Besides IdrA is hilarious, at least his BM's are creative and entertaining. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On June 06 2009 07:08 DIMJkE wrote: Oh yeah, I remember the interview with Roger Rederer when he called everyone 'fucking skilless newbies'. A certain John McEnroe once said to a ref. "You can't see as well as these fucking flowers - and they're fucking plastic." | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
Many of you are acting as if this is the only thing he did. Daniel might have overreacted, but there is a cultureclash+personal feelings too i guess. Daniel chose a guy to represent us foreigners and he turns out to be bad mannered most of the time, I don't think daniel likes that. | ||
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foeffa
Belgium2115 Posts
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N.sL)_CreeD
Taiwan24 Posts
Personally, he's in Korea playing a game professionally. That is an awesome experience to have. Attitude has absolutely positively nothing whatsoever to do with the fact he is in Korea and he's quite good. Don't confuse that with mindset. Michael Jordan could have had the worst attitude in basketball, but he would still be the best basketball player in history. As long Idra's mindset is good and he's having a blast, he's going to get what he wanted out of this experience. Don't express so much your opinion about him if you honestly think that your opinion is going to matter to the guy who is doing what he wants in Korea. It's not. He already made it there. What any of us think is merely branded as horse shit in the wind. -CreeD (I am American) Oh yea, stop feeling like he represents foreigners. That's your view, not his. He's representing himself. He's good mannered where it should be. :-) Great VODs. | ||
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exkgb
United States504 Posts
I think SDM overreacted because he was trying to hold this whole tournament up to the standards of Korean gaming and broadcasted games, which its NOT. I agree that saying "fucking" would not be acceptable in a live TV broadcast game because there will be small kids watching and other such issues. But in this case, this is just a amateur tournament between foreigners and its largely marketed towards foreigners too (for its audience) and thus there is no need to hold the gamers up to the standards of korean broadcast matches. On a separate but related note, I think Korean organizations should realize that foreigners have different tastes in their TV shows and celebrities. I mean, when I go back to Japan and watch the TV there, I think its boring as fuck, they literally have 1 hour TV shows which show their celebrities eating some food and stuff, which is just dumb. But I was born and raised in america where I like my TV shows to have a little action and excitement. I mean.. look at Jerry Springer! we like to watch people beat the fk out of each other and act hella stupid coz its more entertaining. In the context of Starcraft and progaming, Maybe koreans likes their progamers to be all polite and fake and their only way of showing personality is by dress as up women and dancing or talk about their skin n stuff but I just think thats dumb and gay. I rather see pro gamers have a little rivalry, cheese the heck out of each other, make BM ceremonies, build nexus/cc in each other's base. Which is why I liked FBH and the go.go vs BeSt thing. This is exactly the reason why Idra still has so many fans despite of him being so BM. Coz he's brutally honest, is not afraid of saying whatever he thinks and despite of pressure from all sides to make him conform, he does not but remain true to his individuality. Maybe foreigners are simply more accepting to personalities like this rather than another cookie-cutter pro-gamer. | ||
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Wurzelbrumpft
Germany471 Posts
why do people feel the urge to write the same crap about idra over an over again | ||
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N.sL)_CreeD
Taiwan24 Posts
On June 06 2009 07:31 exkgb wrote: + Show Spoiler + I also think its important to put this whole thing into Context. I think SDM overreacted because he was trying to hold this whole tournament up to the standards of Korean gaming and broadcasted games, which its NOT. I agree that saying "fucking" would not be acceptable in a live TV broadcast game because there will be small kids watching and other such issues. But in this case, this is just a amateur tournament between foreigners and its largely marketed towards foreigners too (for its audience) and thus there is no need to hold the gamers up to the standards of korean broadcast matches. On a separate but related note, I think Korean organizations should realize that foreigners have different tastes in their TV shows and celebrities. I mean, when I go back to Japan and watch the TV there, I think its boring as fuck, they literally have 1 hour TV shows which show their celebrities eating some food and stuff, which is just dumb. But I was born and raised in america where I like my TV shows to have a little action and excitement. I mean.. look at Jerry Springer! we like to watch people beat the fk out of each other and act hella stupid coz its more entertaining. In the context of Starcraft and progaming, Maybe koreans likes their progamers to be all polite and fake and their only way of showing personality is by dress as up women and dancing or talk about their skin n stuff but I just think thats dumb and gay. I rather see pro gamers have a little rivalry, cheese the heck out of each other, make BM ceremonies, build nexus/cc in each other's base. Which is why I liked FBH and the go.go vs BeSt thing. This is exactly the reason why Idra still has so many fans despite of him being so BM. Coz he's brutally honest, is not afraid of saying whatever he thinks and despite of pressure from all sides to make him conform, he does not but remain true to his individuality. Maybe foreigners are simply more accepting to personalities like this rather than another cookie-cutter pro-gamer. I like this. I believe there should be a rule implemented to prevent vulgar remarks if it's a problem for the target audience or the hosts expectations of depicted behavior. UFC gets a lot of views. | ||
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EGLzGaMeR
United States1867 Posts
Ps. (i lost 0-3 to machine pvz on outsider and beat him 3-0 zvz.. so i figured i might had a better chance) i really just got nervus and psyched myself out and let slow zerglings run me over game 2~ sigh either way i was outplayed. I havnt watched the vods and i dont know if i want to;; might make me really sad over how bad i played lol | ||
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KP_CollectoR
United States744 Posts
On June 06 2009 04:55 arb wrote: i bet if idra said "it sure is hot here" people would start complaining and calling him BM He would only actually say that if he was doing some kind of mass firebat humiliation : P | ||
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