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Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
June 05 2009 18:49 GMT
#681
Good casts, SDM was obviously upset (as we all know, I missed the first half though). Did IdrA do more BM? I am curious.
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
June 05 2009 18:49 GMT
#682
I think the majority of people on here have it right, SDM acted unprofessionally, but so did IdrA, and I'm more sympathetic to the guy who's casting/subsidizing the tournament, and expected a certain level of respect in it.

Allowed or not, there really isn't a good reason to say something like that in-game to begin with. Instead of saying what he said; a more diplomatic "I didn't know what you were going to do" would've probably worked just as well. But considering that IdrA's first two responses in this thread contained the same word that triggered this controversy, I guess that's too much to ask of him.

Shame.
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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-05 19:20:33
June 05 2009 19:14 GMT
#683
On June 06 2009 03:49 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Good casts, SDM was obviously upset (as we all know, I missed the first half though). Did IdrA do more BM? I am curious.

A better question is: "did IdrA do any BM?"

I'd answer yes based on the fact that he swore, but keep in mind
a) IdrA claims he did not know this replay would be broadcast
b) minus the expletive, IdrA was saying something which Tasteless and Daniel said themselves later in the cast (that foreign players are hard to play against because they are unpredictable)
c) Tasteless and Daniel frequently swear in their casts, both GOM and now Valor

Also, think hard about defending Daniel here. Yes he is a supporter and caster of the tournament, but he also abused that position to foist his bad mood upon the viewers and also to slander IdrA. IdrA is obviously far from the worst licensed progamer and I don't think he "begged" for a progaming license as Daniel claims. If you think about it, it's pretty fucked up for Daniel to use his time as a Valor caster to spread misinformation about one of the tournament's players.
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animus123
Profile Joined January 2009
United States171 Posts
June 05 2009 19:18 GMT
#684
On June 06 2009 01:10 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2009 01:08 zealing wrote:
Ya this is ridiculous SDM... I can understand being quiet and stuff during the Idra/Brat games, but this is Mondi, at least try to look excited or something :S

Just goes to show how important enthusiasm is to good casting. Daniel clearly doesn't give a shit about the foreigner scene - why is he bothering to cast this tournament. I wish he'd just quit and we could get Artosis to take over...imagine how sick that would be.

Let's put it this way: I'd actually watch live GOM matches if Artosis was casting instead of Daniel Lee.


What a retarded and worthless thing to say. SDM and tasteless put their own time, money and effort into making things like this happen. He was fine on the first couple of games. Only after watching the BM of a kid he brought into the SC pro community did he lose interest. Maybe he was hoping for something from idra....but he will always just be a worthless BM kid.
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
June 05 2009 19:21 GMT
#685
On June 06 2009 04:18 animus123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2009 01:10 JWD wrote:
On June 06 2009 01:08 zealing wrote:
Ya this is ridiculous SDM... I can understand being quiet and stuff during the Idra/Brat games, but this is Mondi, at least try to look excited or something :S

Just goes to show how important enthusiasm is to good casting. Daniel clearly doesn't give a shit about the foreigner scene - why is he bothering to cast this tournament. I wish he'd just quit and we could get Artosis to take over...imagine how sick that would be.

Let's put it this way: I'd actually watch live GOM matches if Artosis was casting instead of Daniel Lee.


What a retarded and worthless thing to say. SDM and tasteless put their own time, money and effort into making things like this happen. He was fine on the first couple of games. Only after watching the BM of a kid he brought into the SC pro community did he lose interest. Maybe he was hoping for something from idra....but he will always just be a worthless BM kid.


On June 06 2009 01:16 JWD wrote:
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On June 06 2009 01:11 pat965 wrote:
On June 06 2009 01:10 JWD wrote:
On June 06 2009 01:08 zealing wrote:
Ya this is ridiculous SDM... I can understand being quiet and stuff during the Idra/Brat games, but this is Mondi, at least try to look excited or something :S

Just goes to show how important enthusiasm is to good casting. Daniel clearly doesn't give a shit about the foreigner scene - why is he bothering to cast this tournament. I wish he'd just quit and we could get Artosis to take over...imagine how sick that would be.

Let's put it this way: I'd actually watch live GOM matches if Artosis was casting instead of Daniel Lee.


Daniel pretty much devoted his entire career to the foreigner and pro scene, I don't see how he doesn't give a shit. All this tells me is that Daniel is an emotional guy, which is what makes him such a good caster, since he can be so enthusiastic. Of course, things like this (BM, etc) are the downside.

Actually you're right - it does seem like Daniel is pretty active in trying to bridge the Korean and foreign scenes. His work for SCForAll and with events such as the Spirit Tournament has been really awesome. I was harsh on him in my comment above.

I think the point still stands, though, that Daniel doesn't really care about the foreign scene per se. He doesn't know the players and he doesn't appreciate the skill level. I just think it's unfortunate to see him casting these games when he clearly lacks the passion of someone like Artosis, for example.

Edit: oh yeah, and about Daniel not getting paid, you guys may be right (but I'm pretty sure the prize money came from Starfeeder, no?). In that case, I rescind my comment on that. Sorry.
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Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
June 05 2009 19:36 GMT
#686
Did idra post in this thread? I got about 23 pages in before I gave up looking.
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
Heggie
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United Kingdom167 Posts
June 05 2009 19:38 GMT
#687
On June 06 2009 04:36 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Did idra post in this thread? I got about 23 pages in before I gave up looking.


P29 onwards
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
June 05 2009 19:55 GMT
#688
i bet if idra said "it sure is hot here" people would start complaining and calling him BM

He didnt know the game was going to best casted so he said "fukkin" i mean theres always that part where daniel and tasteless swear more in 1 show than idra did int hat replay I mean saying ass and shit like that is totally not good and the koreans dont take that bad. Seriously this is just some stupid fucking trolls thats trying to get more people to jump on the "hate idra because he is a little bm" train

seriously grow up
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azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
June 05 2009 20:02 GMT
#689
On June 06 2009 04:14 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2009 03:49 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Good casts, SDM was obviously upset (as we all know, I missed the first half though). Did IdrA do more BM? I am curious.

A better question is: "did IdrA do any BM?"

I'd answer yes based on the fact that he swore, but keep in mind
a) IdrA claims he did not know this replay would be broadcast
b) minus the expletive, IdrA was saying something which Tasteless and Daniel said themselves later in the cast (that foreign players are hard to play against because they are unpredictable)
c) Tasteless and Daniel frequently swear in their casts, both GOM and now Valor

Also, think hard about defending Daniel here. Yes he is a supporter and caster of the tournament, but he also abused that position to foist his bad mood upon the viewers and also to slander IdrA. IdrA is obviously far from the worst licensed progamer and I don't think he "begged" for a progaming license as Daniel claims. If you think about it, it's pretty fucked up for Daniel to use his time as a Valor caster to spread misinformation about one of the tournament's players.

you are completely overlooking the way and attitude Idra said it. SDM took this no-name under his wing to make him what he is today, and then finds out he's just BM and disrespectful. Call it unprofessional, but this is extremely personal.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
June 05 2009 20:05 GMT
#690
Err, it was clear since the beginning of the tournament that these games will be casted...
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sLiMpoweR
Profile Joined March 2009
United States430 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-05 20:14:27
June 05 2009 20:12 GMT
#691
lol im sorry i dident realize gom catsts where censored by the fcc. ALl of you are fucking morons and should be euthanized. I understand why the europeans are all acting like little girls, they don't know any better, but i expected better from the rest of you.
Team aMg
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-05 20:14:39
June 05 2009 20:14 GMT
#692
On June 06 2009 05:12 gophillies3939 wrote:
lol im sorry i dident realize gom catsts where censored by the fcc. ALl of you are fucking morons should be euthanized. I understand why the europeans are all acting like little girls, they don't know any better, but i expected better from the rest of you.

you are going down son
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Kenny
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States678 Posts
June 05 2009 20:14 GMT
#693
I think SDM was personally upset because, like a lot of others have said, he took Idra under his wing and made him a "pro gamer," and then he comes to his tournament and acts unprofessionally. I personally think that its a learning experience for Idra. Some people have to learn how to play the game, others have to learn how to interact within the game.

I really had a lot of hope for Idra changing into a foreigner that we are all proud of in his last scforall interview with Artosis, but this has me thinking maybe that it was just a fluke (or a bad day who knows).

Regardless this isn't the first time this has happened, I know it happened during ASL as well.
sLiMpoweR
Profile Joined March 2009
United States430 Posts
June 05 2009 20:14 GMT
#694
Yea nice comment, too bad you're just proving my point.
Team aMg
Vequeth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United Kingdom1116 Posts
June 05 2009 20:20 GMT
#695
On June 06 2009 05:12 gophillies3939 wrote:
lol im sorry i dident realize gom catsts where censored by the fcc. ALl of you are fucking morons and should be euthanized. I understand why the europeans are all acting like little girls, they don't know any better, but i expected better from the rest of you.


yeah, this guy tells it like it is man! hes so cool, none of you had a chance
Aspiring British Caster / Masters Protoss
lIlIlIlIlIlI
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Korea (South)3851 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-05 20:21:47
June 05 2009 20:20 GMT
#696
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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-05 20:25:31
June 05 2009 20:23 GMT
#697
On June 06 2009 05:02 azndsh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2009 04:14 JWD wrote:
On June 06 2009 03:49 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Good casts, SDM was obviously upset (as we all know, I missed the first half though). Did IdrA do more BM? I am curious.

A better question is: "did IdrA do any BM?"

I'd answer yes based on the fact that he swore, but keep in mind
a) IdrA claims he did not know this replay would be broadcast
b) minus the expletive, IdrA was saying something which Tasteless and Daniel said themselves later in the cast (that foreign players are hard to play against because they are unpredictable)
c) Tasteless and Daniel frequently swear in their casts, both GOM and now Valor

Also, think hard about defending Daniel here. Yes he is a supporter and caster of the tournament, but he also abused that position to foist his bad mood upon the viewers and also to slander IdrA. IdrA is obviously far from the worst licensed progamer and I don't think he "begged" for a progaming license as Daniel claims. If you think about it, it's pretty fucked up for Daniel to use his time as a Valor caster to spread misinformation about one of the tournament's players.

you are completely overlooking the way and attitude Idra said it. SDM took this no-name under his wing to make him what he is today, and then finds out he's just BM and disrespectful. Call it unprofessional, but this is extremely personal.

I agree with your post, and didn't mean to overlook the general tone and context of IdrA's statement. I can totally understand why Daniel would be upset at IdrA swearing, considering their history. I'm surprised at just how upset he was, but mostly just disappointed that he really let it affect his cast. Also, I find it hard to have sympathy for him considering the BS he began spouting about IdrA.
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sLiMpoweR
Profile Joined March 2009
United States430 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-05 20:25:27
June 05 2009 20:23 GMT
#698
On June 06 2009 05:20 randomKo_Orean wrote:
Idra is BM-ing dick-fuck and deserved every tongue lashing from SDM - his attitude has gone unchecked for too long.

Yeah, SDM may have been unprofessional about it, but I'd be pretty fucking pissed too if I was in his position.

And gophillies3939, you fucking suck at communicating. I hope you get banned.


Yea ban me from speakign the truth about how immature and girlish you're all acting. Again thanks for proving my point. GROW THE F UP !
Team aMg
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
June 05 2009 20:24 GMT
#699
On June 06 2009 02:44 streampowered wrote:
by the way who IS the worst progamer ?


Here:

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/kespa-ranking#tblt-2818-8-0-ASC
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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
June 05 2009 20:25 GMT
#700
On June 06 2009 05:20 randomKo_Orean wrote:
Idra is BM-ing dick-fuck


lol nice
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