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CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
June 05 2009 20:32 GMT
#701
that idra was unaware that the rep was being broadcasted is irrelevent. entering a tournament in the capacity as a professional gamer should compel a certain amount of respect and propriety
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
frankbg
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada335 Posts
June 05 2009 20:33 GMT
#702
can we see VODs anywhere?
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
June 05 2009 20:34 GMT
#703
On June 06 2009 05:32 CTStalker wrote:
entering a tournament in the capacity as a professional gamer should compel a certain amount of respect and propriety

I agree, but I don't think that makes the fact that he didn't know the game would be broadcast totally irrelevant. It's still a valid point to consider when deciding how hard to come down on IdrA for swearing.
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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
June 05 2009 20:35 GMT
#704
On June 06 2009 05:33 frankbg wrote:
can we see VODs anywhere?


just 2 pages back

On June 06 2009 02:58 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2009 02:56 Sadistx wrote:
How soon can we expect videos?

If you have a Premium account with GOM, you should be able to watch them right away. Otherwise, they'll be up in a few days or so. Basically, it looks like streaming and VODs for Valor will work exactly like it does for GOM.

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Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
June 05 2009 20:36 GMT
#705
Just a few things to consider

1) It was 1-2am when they were casting these games. You could tell DLee was a bit short given the quality of games/player/what he was expecting. He was probably a bit grumpy as can be expected.

2) The converation regarding Idra's lack of "manner" quickly jumped from idra being blunt to not representing progamers well.

Tasteless: "idra doing a little trash talk here"
DL: "Yeah they shouldn't talk in games, that's why we are here"
Tasteless "Yeah idra is known for being pretty bad manner in the community"
DL: "Wow i've heard that but ive never seen that before"
Tastless: "Well i dont agree with it etc etc."
DL: "Progamers should not act like that etc etc"

I dont think what idra was saying was particularly bad. Did he swear? Yes. Are GOM broadcasts with Tasteless and DL known to be particularly lax? yes. Infact in the very same game i heard them both swear but i dont think thats important.

DL said "if you are going to be bm you should do it to the max" and then whipped out his tiade about idra not winning courage etc etc. Im sure if it was 4pm and he was casting the first game he may have had some restraint. DL probably was a bit pissed off at the time - but is it really a big deal? I don't think so. Infact i'd be surprised if this isn't cleared up in a few days....really nothing to see here lol - just a bad series of events that led to some progaming drama.

ESPORTS!
FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
June 05 2009 20:36 GMT
#706
On June 06 2009 05:23 gophillies3939 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2009 05:20 randomKo_Orean wrote:
Idra is BM-ing dick-fuck and deserved every tongue lashing from SDM - his attitude has gone unchecked for too long.

Yeah, SDM may have been unprofessional about it, but I'd be pretty fucking pissed too if I was in his position.

And gophillies3939, you fucking suck at communicating. I hope you get banned.


Yea ban me from speakign the truth about how immature and girlish you're all acting. Again thanks for proving my point. GROW THE F UP !


Well just because you're so manly and awesome and don't need arguments to support your statements doesn't mean you're also right. Maybe to some of us Idra's BM record became something usual and some don't even care about it. But Daniel Lee is a former coach and a korean and he's way more strict that most of the non-koreans regarding manners in-game.

He gave Idra the chance to play in a proteam and now that Idra hasn't rissen to his expectations he's annoyed. You can't really go that far and say SDM bashed Idra with no particular reason, considering Idra does have a record of being BM.
SonuvBob: Yes, the majority of TL is college-aged, and thus clearly stupid.
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
June 05 2009 20:37 GMT
#707
I still don't understand why people still get hung up over so-called "swears", but maybe that's just me.
Zero fighting.
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
June 05 2009 20:37 GMT
#708
On June 06 2009 05:36 Kennigit wrote:
ESPORTS!

lol, you and Chill should just put this in your sigs
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Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
June 05 2009 20:37 GMT
#709
I really like idra but i don't know how he gets away with posting shit/flaming on TL/ingame. As far as i was aware CJ is one of the more hardcore teams with regards rules and training so its kind of surprising. Hope this doesn't become bigger than it really is.
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-05 20:46:38
June 05 2009 20:41 GMT
#710
Can SDM really influence CJ's coachs to kick idra out of team?

SDM maybe just overreacted here but if i were sdm, i'd be pissed too. (He bring idra to progaming, he gave him license, he traded him to cj etc and idra trash talks ingame)

Edit: this thread needs Rekrul
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
June 05 2009 20:43 GMT
#711
well i guess this is really typical "culture clash" where in korea, japan and china it's considered really really really rude and shameful to act cocky unless you are the alpha and the omega of everything. only bruce lee could get away with his cockiness but then bruce lee did it in a joking way and he really is the best martial artist in a lot of different ways.

in the western world it's pretty accepted and encouraged to talk shit and think you're better and have confidence and be able to make mistakes, and when these two things come together they don't mix well, since in the eyes of asian cultures, the people that are eons better than idra don't say anything yet idra keeps mouthing off as if he's savior from 2006, while actually he sucks donkey balls.

people here see his bm as something entertaining but in the eyes of many asian people it's just downright rude and complete lack of shame.

daniel lee obviously pulled a lot of strings and called in a few favors i imagine to get him the progamer license and get CJ to take him then idra not only sucks shit but also bm all over the place, making daniel lee look like a retard that kept helping and supporting a douche.

seriously why can't sc gamers just act professionally when they need to? is it really that much to ask for you, idra, representing the entire foreigner scene, in korea, if you dont have the skills then at least show you're not some spoiled dickhead wasting everyone's time. shit if i had the chance to represent china and i sucked as hard as you i would shut the fuck up and be happy i'm even there and try to show that what i represent is not some redneck, backwards, idiotic bm noob group.

this just further confirms that all foreigners are noobs at sc and bm as well. thanks a lot.
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
Shizuru~
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Malaysia1676 Posts
June 05 2009 20:46 GMT
#712
How unfortunate that this has to happen on the first day of the valor tourneys, SDM was awesome up till the whole Idra fiasco... I could understand why was he upset but man, that rage was too much.

I guess the poorly played(compared to korean standards) games afterwards didn't really help SDM get back into the mood. I have to say though, Idra played really well in his game. Other than that lets see how the drama unfolds, somehow i'm getting a really bad feelings about whats gonna happen...
ZeroCartin
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2390 Posts
June 05 2009 21:04 GMT
#713
How unfortunate indeed

Please post VODs when this is up :p Its a real shame for the foreign community to see something stupid like this happen.
"My sister is on vacation in Costa Rica right now. I hope she stays a while because she's a miserable cunt." -pubbanana
NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
June 05 2009 21:04 GMT
#714
--- Nuked ---
silynxer
Profile Joined April 2006
Germany439 Posts
June 05 2009 21:04 GMT
#715
Wait, where was Idra mouthing off, or acted cocky in this instance? It's really annoying that so many of you repeat this although it's just not what happened. This is more a casual way of chatting vs what a lot you seem to call professional behaviour.
In this respect you are right that it looks like a clash of cultures @pyrogenetix (while the rest of your post is slightly detached from what actually happened): most western people don't understand why it's a big deal to say fuck, fukkin or sexysexypussyhair on TV...

This kind of overreaction is what leads directly to stupid policies like the ones kespa implemented imo.
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
June 05 2009 21:08 GMT
#716
The only person out of order was here Daniel.
If any other sports commentator acts like that he's fired instantly. He should know better.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
June 05 2009 21:10 GMT
#717
On June 06 2009 06:08 Klive5ive wrote:
The only person out of order was here Daniel.
If any other sports commentator acts like that he's fired instantly. He should know better.


This wouldn't happen in any other sports commentator because the players have to follow rules.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
June 05 2009 21:11 GMT
#718
Lol he's not goign to get kicked off a team for being "bm".
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
June 05 2009 21:20 GMT
#719
On June 06 2009 06:10 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2009 06:08 Klive5ive wrote:
The only person out of order was here Daniel.
If any other sports commentator acts like that he's fired instantly. He should know better.


This wouldn't happen in any other sports commentator because the players have to follow rules.

Yeah because footballers never break the rules. They never shout abuse at the camera.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
June 05 2009 21:21 GMT
#720
On June 06 2009 06:11 Kennigit wrote:
Lol he's not goign to get kicked off a team for being "bm".

Why not? Does he have any korean fans? If he's worthless and nobody likes him, I can't see a reason to keep him around
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