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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
June 05 2009 17:46 GMT
#661
On June 06 2009 02:44 streampowered wrote:
by the way who IS the worst progamer ?

SDM and tasteless talked about this on a cast, it was a korean progammer that had the highest APM, like 400-500.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
Cpt.beefy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Ireland799 Posts
June 05 2009 17:46 GMT
#662
I think your attitude ingame has finally bit you on the ass. And you need to change if you wanna be taken seriously.

SDM reacted be it over the top or not but that was a definitely a long time coming. You could feel his frustration and anger.
Our Beloved Geoff "inControl" Robinson.
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-05 17:47:38
June 05 2009 17:47 GMT
#663
On June 06 2009 02:44 streampowered wrote:
by the way who IS the worst progamer ?

I'd say ToSsGirl, if we only consider active players

There may be some recently-licensed B-teamer who is worse, but I highly doubt it. Tossgirl has been losing to foreigners consistently for some time now, and she got absolutely destroyed by IdrA at ESWC.
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streampowered
Profile Joined April 2009
United States60 Posts
June 05 2009 17:48 GMT
#664
would be interesting to know where idra ranks in the estro b team
KP_CollectoR
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States744 Posts
June 05 2009 17:49 GMT
#665
On June 06 2009 02:48 streampowered wrote:
would be interesting to know where idra ranks in the estro b team


Yeah it would, considering he's on CJ
English Brood War Commentaries - Please Subscribe! youtube.com/dimecollectorsc... Winner of The "LeBron" Award for Best Rookie (FPL 5)
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
June 05 2009 17:49 GMT
#666
On June 06 2009 02:48 streampowered wrote:
would be interesting to know where idra ranks in the estro b team

Why is that even relevant when he is on CJ B team now?

And obviously he must be doing well there to be given a chance to play in Minor League.
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Delerium
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States324 Posts
June 05 2009 17:49 GMT
#667
On June 06 2009 02:44 streampowered wrote:
by the way who IS the worst progamer ?

cuteangel
streampowered
Profile Joined April 2009
United States60 Posts
June 05 2009 17:49 GMT
#668
well that makes it even MORE interesting
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
June 05 2009 17:49 GMT
#669
On June 06 2009 02:46 Delerium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2009 02:43 Integra wrote:
Did Nony get a free pass as well or did he won the courage tournament?

nony came in 2nd in his first courage, then he went home to the 'States

Yeah, NonY never had his license. Integra, I think the fact you're missing is that having a progamer license is not the same as being on a professional gaming team. There are many courage winners (with pro licenses) who are never drafted by teams, and many B-team players or practice partners who don't have progamer licenses.
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foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
June 05 2009 17:55 GMT
#670
Ah well the drama was entertaining, the situation unfortunate, the bandwagon annoying and Idra's play impressive. As long as there isn't any fallout and things get smoothed out it's no biggy. Keep on improving, Idra, hope to see some more of your games casted whether it be in minor league or other tourneys. ^_^
觀過斯知仁矣.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
June 05 2009 17:56 GMT
#671
How soon can we expect videos?
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
June 05 2009 17:58 GMT
#672
On June 06 2009 02:56 Sadistx wrote:
How soon can we expect videos?

If you have a Premium account with GOM, you should be able to watch them right away. Otherwise, they'll be up in a few days or so. Basically, it looks like streaming and VODs for Valor will work exactly like it does for GOM.
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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
June 05 2009 17:59 GMT
#673
On June 06 2009 02:49 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2009 02:46 Delerium wrote:
On June 06 2009 02:43 Integra wrote:
Did Nony get a free pass as well or did he won the courage tournament?

nony came in 2nd in his first courage, then he went home to the 'States

Yeah, NonY never had his license. Integra, I think the fact you're missing is that having a progamer license is not the same as being on a professional gaming team. There are many courage winners (with pro licenses) who are never drafted by teams, and many B-team players or practice partners who don't have progamer licenses.

Then what are pro-licenses for if you still can make it as a professional player without one?
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
-Frog-
Profile Joined February 2009
United States514 Posts
June 05 2009 18:01 GMT
#674
On June 06 2009 02:59 Integra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2009 02:49 JWD wrote:
On June 06 2009 02:46 Delerium wrote:
On June 06 2009 02:43 Integra wrote:
Did Nony get a free pass as well or did he won the courage tournament?

nony came in 2nd in his first courage, then he went home to the 'States

Yeah, NonY never had his license. Integra, I think the fact you're missing is that having a progamer license is not the same as being on a professional gaming team. There are many courage winners (with pro licenses) who are never drafted by teams, and many B-team players or practice partners who don't have progamer licenses.

Then what are pro-licenses for if you still can make it as a professional player without one?


I think the way it works is like this: you can become a professional player on a pro team without winning courage, but winning courage definitely increases your chances of getting on a pro team.
powered by coffee, driven by hate.
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-05 18:03:29
June 05 2009 18:03 GMT
#675
On June 06 2009 02:59 Integra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2009 02:49 JWD wrote:
On June 06 2009 02:46 Delerium wrote:
On June 06 2009 02:43 Integra wrote:
Did Nony get a free pass as well or did he won the courage tournament?

nony came in 2nd in his first courage, then he went home to the 'States

Yeah, NonY never had his license. Integra, I think the fact you're missing is that having a progamer license is not the same as being on a professional gaming team. There are many courage winners (with pro licenses) who are never drafted by teams, and many B-team players or practice partners who don't have progamer licenses.

Then what are pro-licenses for if you still can make it as a professional player without one?

You can't. You need them to play in the qualifiers for MSL, OSL and to appear in proleague(basically any official kespa event). I'm not positive but pretty sure.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-05 18:06:20
June 05 2009 18:05 GMT
#676
On June 06 2009 02:59 Integra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2009 02:49 JWD wrote:
On June 06 2009 02:46 Delerium wrote:
On June 06 2009 02:43 Integra wrote:
Did Nony get a free pass as well or did he won the courage tournament?

nony came in 2nd in his first courage, then he went home to the 'States

Yeah, NonY never had his license. Integra, I think the fact you're missing is that having a progamer license is not the same as being on a professional gaming team. There are many courage winners (with pro licenses) who are never drafted by teams, and many B-team players or practice partners who don't have progamer licenses.

Then what are pro-licenses for if you still can make it as a professional player without one?

What the two posters above me have said: you can be on a progaming team, but you can't "make it" - you still need a license to play in KeSPA-sanctioned tournaments (PL, OSL, MSL).

To be honest though, I don't understand the point of licenses whatsoever. Since teams can give them out they don't really impede the progress of new players (if a player is good enough, his team will give him a license) but as far as I can tell they're just more useless KeSPA-induced red tape. They're obviously not useful as signals of talent, because Courage winners often do not get drafted.
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Phearlock
Profile Joined December 2007
Norway400 Posts
June 05 2009 18:07 GMT
#677
But that's also why (afaik, correct me if I'm wrong) Proteams have a specified amount of licenses they can give to gamers they feel should have them but who didn't win courage. I believe Idra got one from estro when he & SDM were both part of that team.
Pokernubz
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada88 Posts
June 05 2009 18:10 GMT
#678
i have to agree with the general majority here, i enjoy watching idra play, actually get a little excited to sweat a non korean play, but his attitude must change. Frankly whether he likes it or not, he represents foreigners at the moment in korea and it's pretty fukin annoying to watch him do BM stuff. Not only is it unprofessional, it's completely unnecessary. I'm goin to call Idra out right now, and I know he reads these forums. Grow the fk up. Quit screwing around, quit acting like your gods gift to starcraft, practice as hard as you can and take this opportunity that you've been given 100% seriously. You should be dedicating your life right now, you will regret giving anything less. I'm not trying to completely bash him though, i have seen big improvement in his game since he came to korea, the one area i haven't' seen him improve though is his attitude.
Lee Jae Dong! Phil Ivey! Lee Young-Ho! Tom Dwan!
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-05 18:16:32
June 05 2009 18:15 GMT
#679
On June 06 2009 03:07 Phearlock wrote:
But that's also why (afaik, correct me if I'm wrong) Proteams have a specified amount of licenses they can give to gamers they feel should have them but who didn't win courage. I believe Idra got one from estro when he & SDM were both part of that team.

Yep, this is right.

For more information on Courage and progaming licenses, I recommend watching Artosis's coverage of the rookie draft. It's long (and boring in parts), but a really interesting look at some of the nuts and bolts of the Korean proscene.

Here's the video: http://www.scforall.com/sctv/sc_tv01.asp?mNum=s03&movNum=259
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TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-05 18:31:13
June 05 2009 18:30 GMT
#680
On June 06 2009 01:40 konadora wrote:
Wtf, KeSPA controls SKT1? =(

SKT1 heavily influences kespa is more like it.

So do most of the companies not participating in GOM.

Money talks.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
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