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On June 06 2009 10:22 Skew wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2009 06:10 SuperArc wrote:On June 06 2009 06:08 Klive5ive wrote:
The only person out of order was here Daniel.
If any other sports commentator acts like that he's fired instantly. He should know better. This wouldn't happen in any other sports commentator because the players have to follow rules. There were not rules in this event about not chatting in-game, so no there's no excuse for what he said. And there was no "bad manner" in the chat. Tarson asked about a build order, IdrA responded sarcastically -- Tarson understood the sarcasm, given his reply -- and they went on to finish the match. It'd be hard to find a more normal example of two good players having a Q&A in a competitive match. (I just watched the replay twice to make sure I didn't miss some huge cuss fight. Sorry guys, there's nothing there. I was all excited, too.)
it wasnt even sarcasm i really dont fe vs foreigners for exactly the reason i said
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On June 06 2009 10:28 koOl wrote:
someone who saw the tossgirl vs strelok games say how they went?
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On June 06 2009 10:16 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2009 10:14 baubo wrote:On June 06 2009 09:07 Avidkeystamper wrote:On June 06 2009 08:50 Coulthard wrote:
If a progamer typed the F word in a korean game what would the reaction of the casters be? Its the same with Idra, he wasn't really bad mannered, just said ''fucking'' live. That doesn't work since IdrA didn't know his game would be broadcast. Isn't that either shows that he's (A)extremely stupid or (B)doesn't really give a damn? Does he really believe a tournament used to spread SC with MONEY on the line and sponsors would simply release replays? thats.... exactly what happened in the ro32
I don't see how that's an excuse. So because it wasn't casted in the Ro32 you automatically assumed it will never be casted... a tournament ran by Tasteless and SDM? Wouldn't that seem the least bit odd to you.
I personally didn't think the chat itself was a big deal, but seriously Idra, you need to learn to hold back once in a while. Even if it is a misunderstanding, it is an easily preventable one if you just learn not to use the word "fuck" every other sentence and express your thoughts openly. It is okay not to voice one's opinions once in a while.
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United States12607 Posts
I think he was more looking for whether the games were close... +1, I've got the same question.
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On June 06 2009 10:34 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2009 10:16 IdrA wrote:On June 06 2009 10:14 baubo wrote:On June 06 2009 09:07 Avidkeystamper wrote:On June 06 2009 08:50 Coulthard wrote:
If a progamer typed the F word in a korean game what would the reaction of the casters be? Its the same with Idra, he wasn't really bad mannered, just said ''fucking'' live. That doesn't work since IdrA didn't know his game would be broadcast. Isn't that either shows that he's (A)extremely stupid or (B)doesn't really give a damn? Does he really believe a tournament used to spread SC with MONEY on the line and sponsors would simply release replays? thats.... exactly what happened in the ro32 I don't see how that's an excuse. So because it wasn't casted in the Ro32 you automatically assumed it will never be casted... a tournament ran by Tasteless and SDM? Wouldn't that seem the least bit odd to you. I personally didn't think the chat itself was a big deal, but seriously Idra, you need to learn to hold back once in a while. Even if it is a misunderstanding, it is an easily preventable one if you just learn not to use the word "fuck" every other sentence and express your thoughts openly. It is okay not to voice one's opinions once in a while.
wow man. are you idra's dad or something?
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On June 06 2009 10:34 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2009 10:16 IdrA wrote:On June 06 2009 10:14 baubo wrote:On June 06 2009 09:07 Avidkeystamper wrote:On June 06 2009 08:50 Coulthard wrote:
If a progamer typed the F word in a korean game what would the reaction of the casters be? Its the same with Idra, he wasn't really bad mannered, just said ''fucking'' live. That doesn't work since IdrA didn't know his game would be broadcast. Isn't that either shows that he's (A)extremely stupid or (B)doesn't really give a damn? Does he really believe a tournament used to spread SC with MONEY on the line and sponsors would simply release replays? thats.... exactly what happened in the ro32 I don't see how that's an excuse. So because it wasn't casted in the Ro32 you automatically assumed it will never be casted... a tournament ran by Tasteless and SDM? Wouldn't that seem the least bit odd to you. I personally didn't think the chat itself was a big deal, but seriously Idra, you need to learn to hold back once in a while. Even if it is a misunderstanding, it is an easily preventable one if you just learn not to use the word "fuck" every other sentence and express your thoughts openly. It is okay not to voice one's opinions once in a while.
i was responding to questions.. you want me to ignore him or what?
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Poor Idra is taking all the bullets from the nerd rage started by SDM...
everyone just seemed to ignore the fact that Idra played a great game against Tarson, and just because of Idra type "fukk" in chat and it instantly painted a bullseye for nerd ragers to shoot at, Idra didn't even meant that in an offensive way... cut that guy some slack...
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On June 06 2009 10:38 JWD wrote:I think he was more looking for whether the games were close... +1, I've got the same question.
yahh thats what i meant 
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On June 06 2009 10:49 koOl wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2009 10:38 JWD wrote:On June 06 2009 10:32 Integra wrote:On June 06 2009 10:28 koOl wrote:
someone who saw the tossgirl vs strelok games say how they went? + Show Spoiler + I think he was more looking for whether the games were close... +1, I've got the same question. yahh thats what i meant
games arent worth watching, all of them ended up one-sided rapes.
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On June 06 2009 10:38 JWD wrote:I think he was more looking for whether the games were close... +1, I've got the same question.
They were all quite uninmpressive imo. Game 1 was BO rape and some sloppy moves by the loser, although he or she was kinda doomed early on anyway. Game 3 didn't seem hard for the winner either. Game 2 I hardly recall. One might say it was a showmatch that wasn't worth showing. ^_^ Then again I was hardly impressed by any of the games to be honest, by far the most interesting one was Tarson-Idra imho, and not because of the drama that ensued. ^_^
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On June 06 2009 10:41 Kentor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2009 10:34 baubo wrote:On June 06 2009 10:16 IdrA wrote:On June 06 2009 10:14 baubo wrote:On June 06 2009 09:07 Avidkeystamper wrote:On June 06 2009 08:50 Coulthard wrote:
If a progamer typed the F word in a korean game what would the reaction of the casters be? Its the same with Idra, he wasn't really bad mannered, just said ''fucking'' live. That doesn't work since IdrA didn't know his game would be broadcast. Isn't that either shows that he's (A)extremely stupid or (B)doesn't really give a damn? Does he really believe a tournament used to spread SC with MONEY on the line and sponsors would simply release replays? thats.... exactly what happened in the ro32 I don't see how that's an excuse. So because it wasn't casted in the Ro32 you automatically assumed it will never be casted... a tournament ran by Tasteless and SDM? Wouldn't that seem the least bit odd to you. I personally didn't think the chat itself was a big deal, but seriously Idra, you need to learn to hold back once in a while. Even if it is a misunderstanding, it is an easily preventable one if you just learn not to use the word "fuck" every other sentence and express your thoughts openly. It is okay not to voice one's opinions once in a while. wow man. are you idra's dad or something?
Wow, I sounded like that. Fuck, I'm getting old...
On June 06 2009 10:45 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2009 10:34 baubo wrote:On June 06 2009 10:16 IdrA wrote:On June 06 2009 10:14 baubo wrote:On June 06 2009 09:07 Avidkeystamper wrote:On June 06 2009 08:50 Coulthard wrote:
If a progamer typed the F word in a korean game what would the reaction of the casters be? Its the same with Idra, he wasn't really bad mannered, just said ''fucking'' live. That doesn't work since IdrA didn't know his game would be broadcast. Isn't that either shows that he's (A)extremely stupid or (B)doesn't really give a damn? Does he really believe a tournament used to spread SC with MONEY on the line and sponsors would simply release replays? thats.... exactly what happened in the ro32 I don't see how that's an excuse. So because it wasn't casted in the Ro32 you automatically assumed it will never be casted... a tournament ran by Tasteless and SDM? Wouldn't that seem the least bit odd to you. I personally didn't think the chat itself was a big deal, but seriously Idra, you need to learn to hold back once in a while. Even if it is a misunderstanding, it is an easily preventable one if you just learn not to use the word "fuck" every other sentence and express your thoughts openly. It is okay not to voice one's opinions once in a while. i was responding to questions.. you want me to ignore him or what?
I'll stop now since it seems I sound a nagging parent.
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konadora
Singapore66358 Posts
On June 06 2009 07:23 N.sL)_CreeD wrote:
Idra is an American, not Korean. For whatever reason Koreans want good manner whether it be for the target audience influence or a world wide stance on the Korean perspective. The problem here is Idra is not Korean. He is American. As an American, I'm sure he's going to act the way he wants and the audience will respond accordingly. Drama is no new thing for Americans, in fact it drives the views way up. People either love it, or tune in to see him be beaten so they can feel that 'dude' got what he had coming.
Personally, he's in Korea playing a game professionally. That is an awesome experience to have. Attitude has absolutely positively nothing whatsoever to do with the fact he is in Korea and he's quite good. Don't confuse that with mindset. Michael Jordan could have had the worst attitude in basketball, but he would still be the best basketball player in history. As long Idra's mindset is good and he's having a blast, he's going to get what he wanted out of this experience.
Don't express so much your opinion about him if you honestly think that your opinion is going to matter to the guy who is doing what he wants in Korea. It's not. He already made it there. What any of us think is merely branded as horse shit in the wind.
-CreeD
(I am American)
Uh yeah, then GB2AMERICA?
When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
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Really, you could argue that sdm is angry at himself for backing Idra, but quite frankly his outburst was unprofessional, its like fighting fire with fire, SDM: "Idra's throwing a hissy fit and being unprofessional, so I'm going to rant and be unprofessional too".
The problem here is that since Idra is playing online and in a foreign tournament he doesn't have an obligation to be good manner (or not swear), but since SDM is broadcasting for GOM he kinda does have to professional, its not like it was just the Idra game, it coloured the commentary for the rest of the cast an awkward shade of grey, like Nick had insulted Daniels mother just before the show.
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Lol, Idra's BM wasn't even that over the top bad here, and if this was his first instance of bm i think everyone would be saying how daniel over reacted etc... But I think the vast majority will agree Idra had this coming, and hopefully, at least in televised games, acts nothing but polite and modest. And i really wish he would stop talking down on foreigners, especially because he is one =\...
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On June 06 2009 11:43 Ftrunkz wrote:
And i really wish he would stop talking down on foreigners, especially because he is one =\...
What does him "being a foreigner" have to do with anything? When he talks down on foreigners he talks down on foreign playing style not their ethnicity. He said "I don't fe against white terrans" because foreign T is just unpredictable, not because they're "white crackers" or something like that. In that aspect of playing style he's a Korean, not a foreigner anymore, seeing as he has adopted the Korean way of playing the game. These Valor games, while they were entertaining, did kind of underscore his point. I like watching foreign player VODs but they are a lot less sophisticated than the Koreans (which is only natural considering time invested of course, but that's not the point).
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Russian Federation134 Posts
i approve of this thread
idra
strelok fighting!
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lol when will idra stop being a complete cunt; not everyone wants to give up their life to play sc 24/7 tbh its nothing to be proud of and act arrogant about
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On June 06 2009 04:14 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2009 03:49 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Good casts, SDM was obviously upset (as we all know, I missed the first half though). Did IdrA do more BM? I am curious. A better question is: "did IdrA do any BM?" I'd answer yes based on the fact that he swore, but keep in mind a) IdrA claims he did not know this replay would be broadcast b) minus the expletive, IdrA was saying something which Tasteless and Daniel said themselves later in the cast (that foreign players are hard to play against because they are unpredictable) c) Tasteless and Daniel frequently swear in their casts, both GOM and now Valor Also, think hard about defending Daniel here. Yes he is a supporter and caster of the tournament, but he also abused that position to foist his bad mood upon the viewers and also to slander IdrA. IdrA is obviously far from the worst licensed progamer and I don't think he "begged" for a progaming license as Daniel claims. If you think about it, it's pretty fucked up for Daniel to use his time as a Valor caster to spread misinformation about one of the tournament's players.
ive heard damn, hell, but never fuck, shit, etc. i havent seen valor yet so idk.
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People aren't seeing Idra's action in the context of his reputation and history.
Idra is known for being a bm prick and has had a proven track record of it. Would the same reaction have been given if it was Nony? or White-Ra?.
You reap what you sow.
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On June 06 2009 13:17 fearus wrote:
People aren't seeing Idra's action in the context of his reputation and history.
Idra is known for being a bm prick and has had a proven track record of it. Would the same reaction have been given if it was Nony? or White-Ra?.
You reap what you sow.
You reap what you sow. Agree 100%.
Idra seems to express his internal pain or whatever it is through bm'ing people.
This will serve as a good lesson.
He does not do sarcasm - straight up putting other people down. You can feel it, right?
Just like a sense of humor, in this case - a sense of hate.
Daniel did overreact but I still like him and will like him.
And Idra is arrogant - never liked him.You can be a cool nerd,he is mean nerd )
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