EPT[GOM] Ro16, Day 2 - Page 46
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abakben
United States308 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 14 2008 20:43 abakben wrote: Let me guess your favorite match-up... PvP?Just ignore this guy. He always whines in every thread about P>T or P>Z. Although it is very annoying, I do not think he is capable of understanding the mechanics of SC in near future  . | ||
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myIRE
Belgium229 Posts
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abakben
United States308 Posts
On December 14 2008 20:45 Shikyo wrote: Let me guess your favorite match-up... PvP? Actually I prefer PvZ especially Bisu's PvZ. I love his relentless harrassment in every zerg expansion and fucking ridiculous multitasking. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 14 2008 20:48 abakben wrote: Actually I prefer PvZ especially Bisu's PvZ. I love his relentless harrassment in every zerg expansion and fucking ridiculous multitasking. Then it must be sad that there's no Zergs left in the tournament. | ||
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abakben
United States308 Posts
On December 14 2008 20:50 Shikyo wrote: Then it must be sad that there's no Zergs left in the tournament. At least we could see Bisu in action for 2 of them.(Calm & Hoejja). I hope we can see more PvZ from Bisu before he starts slumping again. | ||
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abakben
United States308 Posts
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
Ensnared Zealots are hydra food. It's really gross, you are slower than a Starcraft DT (Zeratul) and that is just... You will never hit a hydra slow. =(. Parasite on Corsairs and Shuttles is really nice obv. I think there is still a lot of potential for Zerg play. A lot of fast muta switch/re-switch play has been in experiment lately. Scourge first adapation is still somewhat new, and they could always standardize 5 pool? -__-;; I think zergs should 5 pool more to fuck with toss. Just wait til maps get a bit smaller but not too small like requiem - -;; On Requiem, despite the rape, it was over after pool, I thought Hoejja's ramp break micro was actually really good. On Medusa he showed some excellant plays, scourges especially. But Bisu did have the... the...the... zealot drops -______-;; that rocked Hoejja's world. His hydra play vs the earlier zealot/reaver was quite nice, you can tell he practiced a lot to get nice movement, but Bisu is pretty imba lately. But you guys forget, Best is still in GOM -_-;; EZ. Hehehe, I just snuck a look at the brackets.. Best has easy brackets to semis. Then the real show will start. | ||
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Coulthard
Greece3359 Posts
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MasterReY
Germany2708 Posts
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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Highways
Australia6122 Posts
Last 24 tvz's: terran 21 wins, zerg 3 wins. Thats right just THREE WINs | ||
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Legume
United States33 Posts
On December 14 2008 20:07 freelander wrote: why are you flaming.. can't you see that last msl was protoss fest, this gsl is a protoss fest? can't you see that RO16 has 12 protoss players and 4 terrans? zerg is majorly fucked because zvt always has been a disadvantageous matchup and now zvp is getting into the same category.r you can't just say that zergs are losing to protoss, thus protoss are imbalanced. why don't you think of some strategy for the zergs to step up their game instead of trolling on the forums. the main reason that protoss are doing so well against zerg is through the Revolution of Bisu that popularized the Forge+Fast-Exp into Corsair combo. It's not really the maps. There's plenty of open space on all of the maps, so zerg just needs to find a strategy that can deal with the protoss metagame right now. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
edit: And christ, whats with almost every live report hitting 800-900 pages? | ||
KizZBG
u gotta skate8152 Posts
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1354 Posts
On December 14 2008 20:14 disciple wrote: I cant wait for Bisu to ruin your expectations. This will not be the OSL semi from couple of seasons ago when Bisu was slumping and no matter how good flash's TvP in general might be he... + Show Spoiler + he lost on the most imba TvP map today against stork Being a fellow Bisu fanboy I don't think it will be that simple for Bisu, I fear that it simply wouldn't be that easy. I think it is a matter of unfavourable playstyle matchup. Bisu has a tendency to be hyper aggressive in his pvts lately, including some extraordinarily risky shuttle play. This plays right into Flash's hands as Flash's playerstyle is pretty much characterised by being a turtling whore. I think out of all the good terrans, Flash is the one most content to sit on his expos, turtle and just macro up, while other terrans have the ingrained need to do something offensive to gain a slight advantage, flash is content to just turtle. This turtling style can hurt bisu as Flash might well have everything at home to defend, not making even a token effort to be offensive, simply absorbing bisu's aggression and gaining a large advantage. | ||
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ahole-surprise
United States813 Posts
This game is a bad example because Bisu is the best PvZ'er ever and Hoejja is a rookie but Zergs haven't been able to beat Protoss for the past few months on any maps. This kind of imbalance is bad for the game. The defense that "no protoss could ever win vs Zerg before Bisu" is not only irrelevant, it's untrue. When Z>P, it was only July and Savior. Those two owned every Protoss so it seemed like Protoss just could not win. But it was only those two, and they weren't owning at the same time. To give you an example, Savior beat Reach in the UZOO 2005 MSL, and Choejja lost to Reach in the semi finals. Regardless, you didn't have DIFFERENT zergs winning consecutive starleagues and having an all Zerg semifinal. It never happened. It's not like now, where the top 4 or 5 protoss players are all owning Zerg (except Best  ). Whereas with Savior and July, it was because they were simply the most skilled during their respective times, which is more easy to believe since they dominated at different times, it's hard to defend that all top 5 Protoss players right now are just owning Zerg simply because they are the most skilled. I've seen this defense many times, and it's bull. The maps and metagame are simply imbalanced and if this continues, Starcraft will soon die. | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
On December 14 2008 22:32 Legume wrote: you can't just say that zergs are losing to protoss, thus protoss are imbalanced. why don't you think of some strategy for the zergs to step up their game instead of trolling on the forums. the main reason that protoss are doing so well against zerg is through the Revolution of Bisu that popularized the Forge+Fast-Exp into Corsair combo. It's not really the maps. There's plenty of open space on all of the maps, so zerg just needs to find a strategy that can deal with the protoss metagame right now. you probably need some reading comprehension exercise, because 1 i didn't write about maps 2 i didn't write protoss is imbalanced 3 i wasn't trolling you don't have to write for me why protoss is doing well, because you should think about that i know at least as much about the game as you. | ||
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0xDEADBEEF
Germany1235 Posts
On December 15 2008 00:43 ahole-surprise wrote: Pro gaming is really starting to fucking suck. This game is a bad example because Bisu is the best PvZ'er ever and Hoejja is a rookie but Zergs haven't been able to beat Protoss for the past few months on any maps. This kind of imbalance is bad for the game. The defense that "no protoss could ever win vs Zerg before Bisu" is not only irrelevant, it's untrue. When Z>P, it was only July and Savior. Those two owned every Protoss so it seemed like Protoss just could not win. But it was only those two, and they weren't owning at the same time. To give you an example, Savior beat Reach in the UZOO 2005 MSL, and Choejja lost to Reach in the semi finals. Regardless, you didn't have DIFFERENT zergs winning consecutive starleagues and having an all Zerg semifinal. It never happened. It's not like now, where the top 4 or 5 protoss players are all owning Zerg (except Best ). Whereas with Savior and July, it was because they were simply the most skilled during their respective times, which is more easy to believe since they dominated at different times, it's hard to defend that all top 5 Protoss players right now are just owning Zerg simply because they are the most skilled. I've seen this defense many times, and it's bull. The maps and metagame are simply imbalanced and if this continues, Starcraft will soon die.I agree. I think the maps should take the most blame, though. But what do you want to do about it? Korean maps are the "law". When they decide to ignore balance in favor of some other goals like how exotic gameplay is on a particular map, then it's no wonder that we have stats where P wins like 65% of the time vs. both T and Z now. So Z now has 2 hard matchups, T has 1, P has 0. And how would you want to prove an imbalance? It's just not possible... all you can do is look at map statistics. Most players will refuse even the thought of SC being slightly imbalanced (even though such a slight imbalance could very well appear even after 10 years because skill level is steadily rising a little bit and at some point one race might be so skilled that they'll overcome all previous weaknesses and start to dominate without the other races having an answer to that - basically like a balance flaw that has always existed but players weren't yet good enough to exploit it...), and most players will also defend the quality of the Korean maps because pro teams test them shortly (but probably not long enough...). Well it's time for SC2 anyway. | ||
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