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On October 27 2025 01:46 G5 wrote:
Also, I get I may be banned for this (and w/e), but why are we temp banning people for balance whining? It's a gaming forum. Balance whining is such a huge part of a gaming forum. People expressing their views and frustrations with a match up seems natural on a gaming forum. It just seems so unhinged to ban someone over them expressing their views in good faith. I just think that's one of the dumbest takes a gaming forum administration could conjure up.
Yeah, WTF was that? Totally uncalled for.
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On October 27 2025 03:14 BisuDagger wrote:
The good I get from this finals is that Bisu was really the second best player in this tournament. I haven’t felt this positive about his performance since proleague. Hopefully he can take the crown back from Zerg next season.
If ASL was PvZ and PvP only then Bisu would look and feel like Flash.
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On October 26 2025 18:02 Duckvillelol wrote:
Really Z favoured map which is always in consideration - but that felt like a very "flat" strategy from Snow to me. I don't really understand what the theory of victory is there? Obviously with the map itself it's hard to get the strategy down but that game just felt so all over the place in terms of what the objectives were.
It is capture the ground bases, then rut out the enemy from the islands. Since Snow was so late to start for the first objective he never completed the second.
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On October 26 2025 18:03 RowdierBob wrote:Zergs have a 60% win rate on roaring currents. Brutal 
Not because protoss does themselves any favours, they just don't know how to play the game. Zealot legs and archons. I haven't seen a single protoss play it correctly.
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I mean did anyone expect a P to beat a Z in the finals at this point? I would have liked to see Snow pull it out but Soma played very well. GG
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Funny how the whine is strong this season, when the winrate is 5-15 tvz, 20-26 zvp, 11-8 pvt this ASL. This season, it was P>Z>T.
But yall focus solely on the results of a BO7.
Maybe, just maybe yall shouldnt look at averages but at variances (or other moments), where protoss have little skill expression at the top 1 or something like that, which may explain why overall protoss does well winrate wise but suck ass in finals.
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On October 27 2025 03:31 oxKnu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2025 03:14 BisuDagger wrote:
The good I get from this finals is that Bisu was really the second best player in this tournament. I haven’t felt this positive about his performance since proleague. Hopefully he can take the crown back from Zerg next season. If ASL was PvZ and PvP only then Bisu would look and feel like Flash.
The only protoss who ever looks convincing against zerg is mini. NO one else ever looks good.
At this point they need to just fix the maps with a serious eye to PvZ.
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Btw bioboy congratulations on the liquibet win! It was close 
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On October 26 2025 18:14 Rainalcar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2025 18:10 SkelA wrote:On October 26 2025 18:06 Rainalcar wrote:On October 26 2025 18:03 SkelA wrote:
Snow was so lost this game. He had such an great start and soma played right into his hand but just he outplayed himself.
All he needed to get an good bust with reavers on his front door around 15 min mark. Right, where Z has a backstab base to engulf him, be serious Snow had more bases max army the correct tech. Absolutely no chance for zerg to do anything at that timing. Soma would have stalled him with sunkens and then you would see a hydra lurker pincer. Z economy is too strong for timing attacks on this map.
It is because protoss doesn't make the same sort of ninja expos that zerg does so often. What is to stop protoss from taking the 11th, or 5th and only making 9 probes, no pylons what so ever. Let's go over the basics: nexus takes 75s, making 9 probes takes only 100.8s including your expanding probe. By your 9th probe you have already harvested at 50% efficiency which brings you 30s closer to break even point. 52s and you are printing money. 75+100.8+52.2=228s. You are telling me you don't have 3:48 in the midgame to hustle a victory. I don't believe you.
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On October 27 2025 03:14 BisuDagger wrote:
The good I get from this finals is that Bisu was really the second best player in this tournament. I haven’t felt this positive about his performance since proleague. Hopefully he can take the crown back from Zerg next season.
Snow would've wrecked Bisu PvP. I think the issue with the top four Ps (Bisu, Mini, Snow, Best) is all of them have a pretty weak MU that stops them going all the way.
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On October 26 2025 18:27 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2025 18:26 Peeano wrote:
I missed the first game. I hope it wasn't a Hydra bust as well? long game where Soma just starved out Snow
I guess nobody informed Snow that mains have less resources. He treated the map like islands are main and mains are lategame expos.
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On October 26 2025 18:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Snow's probes and mineral-gathering are getting disrupted by Soma's lings, even though the zealots are doing a decent job of preventing kills per se.
It is incredible we are watching soma innovate a counter to protoss FE bullshit. Zergling harass nullifies early expo economy boost for protoss. A first live, on air counter to blind FE counter by zerg. Wow! Finals really delivered.
PS: I'm very sorry. I thought you talked about game 6.
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soma is too good at killing cannons with hydralisks
he knows how to ignore zealots and cannon fire
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People in this thread crying about racial imbalance are actually idiots if they think Microsoft-Activision-Blizzard touching the game will do anything but create more problems. SC2 failed for a reason.
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On October 26 2025 18:53 RowdierBob wrote:
Soma had that. Just had to keep pumping hydra instead of making the muta switch.
No way, protoss wins at ground army engage every time. Snow had a happy accident. His bases were secure in a trident formation with no loose stragglers. If only he kept making more of the same, but a broken clock is right only twice a day.
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On October 26 2025 18:57 TMNT wrote:
Feels like some people may underestimate the importance of that Ling harass vs Zealot chasing/Probe pull at the beginning on the outcome of the game.
See Best on Ro8 in a similar situation, losing like 5 6 Probes. Snow only lost 1 and that was when Speed finished. And Soma's Ling control wasn't bad either. It was crazy.
Looking back at the game, I thought it was game 6(2) that came before game 3. Snow did hold it the first time, but Soma really innovated a counter to blind FE at game 6. Those two games are just top tier. I wish they were back to back because they look so good when viewed together.
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On October 26 2025 19:02 RowdierBob wrote:
Man snow just failed to scout the hydras early enough.
It is scary how he mis-scouted two games out of four by that point.
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On October 26 2025 19:05 oxKnu wrote:
Ok, that was a poor loss. Just out of position the whole time. Missed rally points. Zealots getting stuck on map artifacts, awful wall design etc etc
Cross position and you choose to go early DT? Please.
Snow doesn't have it. Soma has played pretty impeccable so far with just the one mistake in the previous game.
I think it should be clear walls don't work like protoss players aim to. They are walling themselves in, instead of walling zerg out. Walls should only work if your army is outside and zerg would try to do a backstab and you swoop in with your army and do a backstab yourself. Practically setting up a trap for zerg to walk into. As it stands, neither your units can go out so fast for an ambush, nor can your army spread to take away the brunt of the attack. Static defences are static. You need more mobility to amplify your frontline unit cycling.
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Jeez this dude just going through the whole thread to reply to everyone
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On October 26 2025 19:06 Timebon3s wrote:
I think Snows best chances at winning ASL is to switch race to Zerg.
That is the kind of attitude that is causing you to lose games. Drop FE, your win rates will soar. Whatever you think works, doesn't actually work. Even bisu has a better luck and he does this open-base overcommit bait for zerg to trip up on with fantastic accuracy. You don't need to dig your own grave with FE wall-ins, be more proactive. Last season both bisu and mini played vs hero, both were very successful with early game aggro. I think mini was even better in mid game. Too bad they didn't make it into the finals.
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