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[ASL13] Ro4 Day 2
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BLinD-RawR
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sysen
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His ZvP is solid, and i really wanna see soma going to final :-) | ||
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bovienchien
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winson
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Peeano
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I also hope to see him go to the finals! | ||
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whylessness
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RKC
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Heart: Rain | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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BulgarianToss
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Absolutely brutal game from Rain, scary good multitask! | ||
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ggsimida
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On April 03 2022 19:40 Soulforged wrote: Looked one sided, but a lot of things went well for Rain that game. Scouting, skipping stargate, killing overlords to supply block at a critical time a few times...don't think the multitask plays will go as well on an even footing. and rain is a good competitor because he does not give his opponent an even one. cutting corners is how u give yourself an edge in competitions. keep the standard slugfests for kcm | ||
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emperorchampion
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BLinD-RawR
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Poll: Recommend Rain vs Soma Set 2? Yes (33) If you have time (1) No (0) 34 total votes Your vote: Recommend Rain vs Soma Set 2? | ||
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oxKnu
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HOLYBATS
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Zariel
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Man, what a performace by Rain. Absolute masterclass. The pylon scouting correct first really makes the game alot more controllable for the protoss. As a protoss player myself, having the luxury to go 12 nexus safely gives you this surge of confidence | ||
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[JXSA].Zergling
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BulgarianToss
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Soulforged
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On April 03 2022 20:03 oxKnu wrote: However, what the hell is Soma thinking with these builds? He's been getting wrecked in the early game each time. Rain is innovating quite a bit there, with these citadel plays into late stargate, even in 2nd game when his scouting got denied at 100 gas on the Zerg. Cross pylon scout into nexus first vs pool-after-overlord is also very odd to see in a pvz. He seems to have prepared well for Soma. I wonder if we'll see Soma's odd 2hatch lair open today. | ||
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emperorchampion
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oxKnu
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Magic Powers
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On April 03 2022 20:34 emperorchampion wrote: this game is a nail biter Nail biter hits in on the head, what a wild game | ||
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emperorchampion
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BLinD-RawR
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superjoppe
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Xeln4g4
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Xeln4g4
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On April 03 2022 20:37 superjoppe wrote: This should be the grand final. Much more exciting than Light crushing one of these players For sure he will not crush Rain, Rain left as the best after Flash and he coming back as the best player. | ||
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Soulforged
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On April 03 2022 20:38 Xeln4g4 wrote: Attack at 9 cost Rain the game, he should have concentrated on expanding after killing z main and natural. Wasted a 3-0 lead :/ Yeah, he probably didn't realize how close he was to mining out before poking there. Quite a bit died to lurkers before the retreat. | ||
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oxKnu
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Allegro should be a Zerg win 90% of the time. Momentum is on Soma's side now. | ||
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[JXSA].Zergling
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BLinD-RawR
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On April 03 2022 20:52 emperorchampion wrote: rain micro god again did a great job for him this set. | ||
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Soulforged
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A misread of Soma's commitment to air as well. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On April 03 2022 21:01 Soulforged wrote: God micro on the zealots, anti micro on the sairs( give credit to soma's scourge handling instead, rain didn't fuck up as bad as soma had great control. | ||
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emperorchampion
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Soulforged
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On April 03 2022 21:01 BLinD-RawR wrote: give credit to soma's scourge handling instead, rain didn't fuck up as bad as soma had great control. Sure, Soma didn't give any opportunity to sairs and also made some sick snipes that others would pass up on. I just don't play Z and have no idea how scourge AI behaves | ||
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emperorchampion
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well played | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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[JXSA].Zergling
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I'm looking forward to what will happen in the finals | ||
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CeJo1
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oxKnu
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He is soo consistent, there was basically no bad miss-play/miss-read. (maybe that late-game mis-judgement on Butter) This puts a really bad light onto the other active Protoss players. Turns out we have a problem with the quality of players, not the meta or maps. I'm looking forward to the finals. I still think Light is favorite but not by much, and PvT has far more wiggle room than PvZ for P, so I expect Rain to fully take advantage of that. I thought Mini vs Larva was the most excited for a finals I could get since Flash vs Effort but turns out this one tops it. | ||
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RKC
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M3t4PhYzX
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Glorious stuff! GGs! | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1669 Posts
KEEP DOUBTING RAIN LIGHT IS NEXT WE AINT SCARED RAIN is one of the GREATEST MODERN BW PLAYERS TO EVER PLAY THIS DAMN GAME AND THIS IS AFTER A 2-3 YEAR BREAK sorry I'm so happy he played so amazing vs Soma and pretty much this entire season No matter what happens vs Light I am so proud of Rain Light is going DOWN Don't forget Rain beat Light twice this season in straight up games And other than the finals where he lost Rain has had Lights number back in KSL and SSL in the past (obviously Light is a much improved version of himself now) The blueprint is there | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1669 Posts
On April 03 2022 20:39 Xeln4g4 wrote: For sure he will not crush Rain, Rain left as the best after Flash and he coming back as the best player. This. Agreed skill wise Results wise gotta give it to Queen | ||
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reincremate
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outscar
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WTF, this series should have more than 5 pages! It should've been finals! | ||
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angry_maia
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LG)Sabbath
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On April 03 2022 22:06 oxKnu wrote: This puts a really bad light onto the other active Protoss players. Turns out we have a problem with the quality of players, not the meta or maps. If we had another 1 or 2 protoss players of Rain's caliber we'd be straight talking about protoss domination and balance issues, it's insane how consistent and unstoppable he looks right now. He is a generational talent. | ||
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outscar
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On April 04 2022 02:45 LG)Sabbath wrote: If we had another 1 or 2 protoss players of Rain's caliber we'd be straight talking about protoss domination and balance issues, it's insane how consistent and unstoppable he looks right now. He is a generational talent. Can't even imagine how far he could go if he didn't take 2 year break after that KSL finals. From being one of the best KeSPA proleague players before SC2 transition, By.Sun evolves into one of the best toss players of WoL and HotS SC2 era, winning multiple championships to comeback BW and become ASL/KSL champion. Rain deserves legend status - only toss from modern era that I will "add" into six dragons, so we can raise his status into legendary. | ||
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endy
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was afraid it would affect him mentally | ||
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emperorchampion
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On April 04 2022 05:36 Shinokuki wrote: You gotta wonder how much generational talent we've been missing out on and how many mind blowing meta would've came if kespa level competition never dissolved.. Rain just clowned on a guy who was thought to be the best player in the world by korean community. Koreans thought Soma would take this ASL in case you guys were missing out. Rain was a foregone conclusion since even he said he wasn't confident.. Kinda sad to see BW not having new talents like LoL. to be fair, weren't they saying on the broadcast that rain just won a lol tournament also? | ||
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oxKnu
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We're getting Bisu vs Soma as 3rd place match. Always a nice series. | ||
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LpTraxamillion
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On April 03 2022 20:05 Soulforged wrote: Rain is innovating quite a bit there, with these citadel plays into late stargate, even in 2nd game when his scouting got denied at 100 gas on the Zerg. Cross pylon scout into nexus first vs pool-after-overlord is also very odd to see in a pvz. He seems to have prepared well for Soma. I wonder if we'll see Soma's odd 2hatch lair open today. Pretty standard by rain. He can do all of this simply because 14 nexus putting him way ahead. Forces Soma into a den first build with no spire so he is free to go fast zealot speed | ||
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LpTraxamillion
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On April 04 2022 03:34 M2 wrote: Rain is like high level Kespa era gameplay. Crazy shit Everyone is way better than they were during kespa, just compare the replays. You guys are pretty hype on Rain and he deserves the W and is good but a successful scout 1st into 14 nexus is essentially a free win. Rain had huge leads in all 4 games he won, 2 14nex and 2 forge fe vs fast pool 4x. Not sure why soma kept going early pool vs rain's opens. Fear of cannon rush? | ||
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Soulforged
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He also followed all that up with going 2stargate in the last game vs scouted 3hh, expecting a muta switch. While he did confirm mutas hatching, stargates went up way before he scouted lair. In the earlier games, opening citadel first is not something you can easily do vs a lair open, even if you had a nexus first. In one case the citadel open was reactive, in another, his probe died when Soma just got his first 100 gas and he still went citadel first, vs a ling speed open. Being able to get a core before an extra pylon is speeding up the corsair, but it is like 10-20 seconds. Zerg isn't forced to play no spire vs that, they can adjust gas timing to match, or hide overlords for a bit. Rain just won most of the mind games in the series. Agreed on the above about having early game leads constantly. (Not to take away from the stellar execution later) | ||
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TornadoSteve
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rain's map control and units movement is totally unique. Hes getting an "A+" for anything else, pretty much. but the way he control his units everywhere on the map at once, i honestly never see anyone else doing it. This is why the guy is so good at PvsP, where his army positioning and his army movement gives him an insane edge. Its a beauty to watch, especially when you understand how difficult it is. | ||
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RowdierBob
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Sirris
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I'll say it now though...I'm a T supporter first of all but Rain has something special. So this doesn't come from a place of bias. Rain just understands Broodwar better and that understanding comes out when it matters most. Like Flash, he doesn't just play the game better mechanically he understands what needs to be done and where everything needs to be and in which order. I picked Rain to win on liquibet simply because of this. I was blown away at how well he played though even knowing that. I predicted Light vs Rain in the finals a long time ago, I picked Light to win back then. After what I saw tonight I'm going to pick Rain to win the final. He just has champion in his blood. He doesn't get nervous, he plays well even if he is in a tough spot. I can't pick against him simple as that, even as a Terran fan. If Light did win I'd be happy but my bet has to go to Rain. | ||
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Sirris
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On April 04 2022 11:50 TornadoSteve wrote: no science rain's map control and units movement is totally unique. Hes getting an "A+" for anything else, pretty much. but the way he control his units everywhere on the map at once, i honestly never see anyone else doing it. This is why the guy is so good at PvsP, where his army positioning and his army movement gives him an insane edge. Its a beauty to watch, especially when you understand how difficult it is. Absolutely true. Great post. Like I said before Rain's army management midgame is at the very top. | ||
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Sirris
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On April 04 2022 07:50 LpTraxamillion wrote: Everyone is way better than they were during kespa, just compare the replays. You guys are pretty hype on Rain and he deserves the W and is good but a successful scout 1st into 14 nexus is essentially a free win. Rain had huge leads in all 4 games he won, 2 14nex and 2 forge fe vs fast pool 4x. Not sure why soma kept going early pool vs rain's opens. Fear of cannon rush? It's not a free win at all. That's just not a thing at any point in top level brood war. You don't get free wins from any openers except a few extreme examples. You get advantages sure, but we have seen those advantages disappear time and time again even for the very best players. Let say he did get a 14 nexus off vs a zerg with a scout first...you think that's a free win? That's insane my guy. Zerg has so many options to counter. In fact we saw them in the series. Give credit where it's due. Rain played a very strong opening line then out played an excellent zerg from there. Soma had chances to win throughout the series despite the nexus first. Rain just played better. | ||
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Sirris
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On April 04 2022 07:44 LpTraxamillion wrote: Pretty standard by rain. He can do all of this simply because 14 nexus putting him way ahead. Forces Soma into a den first build with no spire so he is free to go fast zealot speed How the hell does a 14 nexus force a den first with no spire? That's just not it works. Sure it might put Soma behind a bit economically but it definitely doesn't mean Soma can't go spire. Beyond that...if 14 nexus is "pretty standard" than why doesn't every protoss do that and "force" the den opening with no spire? Just complete nonsense man. Nexus fist isn't standard at all. | ||
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Sirris
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On April 04 2022 06:46 oxKnu wrote: Underrated aspect of this result: We're getting Bisu vs Soma as 3rd place match. Always a nice series. Truth! looking forward to it. | ||
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Sirris
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On April 04 2022 07:50 LpTraxamillion wrote: Everyone is way better than they were during kespa, just compare the replays. You guys are pretty hype on Rain and he deserves the W and is good but a successful scout 1st into 14 nexus is essentially a free win. Rain had huge leads in all 4 games he won, 2 14nex and 2 forge fe vs fast pool 4x. Not sure why soma kept going early pool vs rain's opens. Fear of cannon rush? You make the pool first to defend early zealots and to force cannons from protoss. An ideal counter to hatch first is nexus first, an ideal counter to pool first is to defend with just one cannon which is risky but regardless it delays the nexus. None of those are "huge leads". It's just a slight advantage for P that can be possibly be exploited by zerg on the follow up. It's a nice position for the protoss in those spots but it's far from a huge lead. I promise it wasn't a fear of a cannon rush. If you think Rain won these games simply because of the opening then you don't understand broodwar. Simple as that. Also I just want to mention almost no one is better than the kespa era mechanically but collectively the game understanding has improved and the meta has shifted. | ||
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Lazyer
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TornadoSteve
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RKC
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Anyway, the best possible outcome happened. Great finals, and a third placement match that I'm keen to watch for once (Soma v Bisu grudge match rather than PvP). Massive win for the fans! | ||
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angry_maia
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That being said, I think best might have better pvt than rain, but he's so much worse at the other two matchups that it just doesn't matter in tournament play. | ||
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TornadoSteve
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darktreb
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When someone plays well, the tendency is to think, "why can't other pros just do this too". With Rain, some of his play was so transcendent that it's the other way around. Only a rare echelon of players have ever shown this level at any point in their career. Bisu is probably the only other Protoss to create this feeling, and it's been many years since that has been the case. | ||
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oxKnu
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On April 04 2022 16:07 angry_maia wrote: I feel that there is no doubt that this final is between the best protoss and the best terran in the world which is pretty cool. That being said, I think best might have better pvt than rain, but he's so much worse at the other two matchups that it just doesn't matter in tournament play. This was true a year ago but Best doesn't really have that edge anymore in PvT. PvT Meta is all over the place these days in that MU. Either way, Rain is a far better problem solver and in-game decision maker and that matters way more in a Bo7 finals against a known entity like Light. | ||
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