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Sirris
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 Strange. Light 3-1. Exactly Nyoken. Bisu will try to abuse fast nexus though and win in the middle game. | ||
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M2
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On March 30 2022 19:07 Sirris wrote: Go Light! Please No PVP finals. No LB on this one Strange. Light 3-1. is 3-1 enough to get him to the final? I doubt that:-) | ||
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Sirris
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On March 30 2022 19:13 M2 wrote: is 3-1 enough to get him to the final? I doubt that:-) Oh right it's best of 7 isn't it lol. Well uhhhh....he will be at 3-1 at some point? Looks like I'm gonna be tired at work tomorrow unless these games are very weird and fast. Light 4-2... *cough* | ||
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Sirris
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Great start for Bisu...almost ideal. | ||
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N scout for light | ||
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Have to admit Bisu is playing great. | ||
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emperorchampion
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basically that 1 bunker with 10 scv repair solidified the game for light, the first bust was bisu's chance to win but couldn't quite make it | ||
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LG)Sabbath
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On March 30 2022 19:54 weiliem wrote: Thought it's Flash playing, the impenetrateable style.... Can imagine how hopeless Bisu felt..... The flank in the middle was amazing though Doesn't help that Bisu consistently takes absolutely horrible trades | ||
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Sirris
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On March 30 2022 19:56 LG)Sabbath wrote: Doesn't help that Bisu consistently takes absolutely horrible trades Bisu tried to read the weak spots but Light kept the mines down and kept moving his army to the right spots, whether it was a recall or a frontal attack. His scans were on point. It was beautiful to see from a Terran view point. Bisu played a fantastic game for most of it he just didn't have a finisher. I bet that surprised him. | ||
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Sirris
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On March 30 2022 19:54 BLinD-RawR wrote: how could anyone vote no? Terran haters. | ||
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winson
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TMNT
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On March 30 2022 19:56 LG)Sabbath wrote: Doesn't help that Bisu consistently takes absolutely horrible trades There's no favorable trades for Protoss when Terran plays like that. I feel like the only way for Bisu to win with that style is a total recall into the main. The recalled army each time was too small. | ||
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KameZerg
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On March 30 2022 19:54 BLinD-RawR wrote: Warning for those who are gonna watch it, contains 30 min of one side doing nothing but defending. | ||
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Sirris
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On March 30 2022 19:59 winson wrote: he just sits there Lol...i promise he did so much more than that. He defended sure. But he definitely didn't "sit there". | ||
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Sirris
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Ok that was not close | ||
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oxKnu
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GL, have fun! | ||
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Sirris
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On March 30 2022 20:10 oxKnu wrote: Salutations to all the clowns in the Bisu-JyJ thread that were claiming Light's TvP is nothing out of the ordinary. GL, have fun! Amen brother When Light is playing in a series he is so much stronger. The more games the better he becomes. | ||
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Sirris
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Easy win for Bisu now..that was incredible micro from Bisu. | ||
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Poll: Recommend: Bisu v Light Game 3 Yes (12) If you have time (4) No (1) 17 total votes Your vote: Recommend: Bisu v Light Game 3 | ||
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oxKnu
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Bisu has been playing well, despite the current score. Level of play here is much better than Soulkey vs Rain so far. | ||
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Sirris
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On March 30 2022 20:23 oxKnu wrote: Nice defense on that 12-nexus. Bisu has been playing well, despite the current score. Level of play here is much better than Soulkey vs Rain so far. I think everyone played quite well. I don't understand why you think Soulkey and Rain weren't at the same level.... | ||
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oxKnu
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On March 30 2022 20:24 Sirris wrote: I think everyone played quite well. I don't understand why you think Soulkey and Rain weren't at the same level.... Umm, That's a shocking statement, especially given the performance of Soulkey in game 2 and game 5. | ||
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Sirris
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On March 30 2022 20:28 oxKnu wrote: Umm, That's a shocking statement, especially given the performance of Soulkey in game 2 and game 5. If you say so...I think Rain played exceptionally well in those games but apparently you think it was Soulkey playing badly. I guess microing your probes perfectly and then healing them with a shield battery perfectly to save your life in a game 5 situation isn't good enough for you. You have very high standards Not to mention the clutch play Rain had in game 2. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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On March 30 2022 20:30 TMNT wrote: I saw a behind-the-scene video of the ASL and apparently Bisu is still playing in the tiny window mode. Wonder if it restricts his ability or makes him unwilling to use storm more in PvT. Most of the times he used HT it seems he was too slow to pull off the storm before the HTs get killed. yeah, wtf... that actually may be the case here.. weird | ||
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LG)Sabbath
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On March 30 2022 20:01 TMNT wrote: There's no favorable trades for Protoss when Terran plays like that. I feel like the only way for Bisu to win with that style is a total recall into the main. The recalled army each time was too small. Not saying that Light didn't play super solid, but if you want to beat a terran that's so solid you need good trades, period. - Don't trade groups of zealots for mines - Don't recall if terran already has like 12 tanks sieged up at that location - Stasis on the ramp so terran can't get in - Absolutely do not attack if terran is already sieged up and has mass mines and it's a choke point - Don't stasis the tanks at the front | ||
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emperorchampion
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gg | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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well played | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
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this one does for sure so far =) | ||
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Sirris
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Sirris
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On March 30 2022 21:00 MaGic~PhiL wrote: U GOT TO LOVE IT WHEN A SERIES DELIVERS this one does for sure so far =) It's an amazing series. Both players playing so well. | ||
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Sirris
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Told you Bisu would abuse 12 nexus | ||
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ggsimida
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On March 30 2022 20:47 LG)Sabbath wrote: Not saying that Light didn't play super solid, but if you want to beat a terran that's so solid you need good trades, period. - Don't trade groups of zealots for mines - Don't recall if terran already has like 12 tanks sieged up at that location - Stasis on the ramp so terran can't get in - Absolutely do not attack if terran is already sieged up and has mass mines and it's a choke point - Don't stasis the tanks at the front its like some of you are watching bisu pvt for the first time or something. he always have a big tendency to make throw wasteful recalls one after another into already entrenched positions | ||
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Sirris
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Sirris
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I think light is gonna 11/11 ? | ||
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Poll: Recommend: Bisu v Light Game 6 Yes (9) No (7) If you have time (1) 17 total votes Your vote: Recommend: Bisu v Light Game 6 | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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emperorchampion
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14cc = perfectly fine anyways, gg | ||
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Sirris
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On March 30 2022 21:31 BLinD-RawR wrote: Ahh I love being right. Feels good doesn't it;) | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On March 30 2022 21:32 emperorchampion wrote: nexus first = dirty, greedy, etc 14cc = perfectly fine anyways, gg 14cc= cheesy turtle noob | ||
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Sirris
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On March 30 2022 21:32 emperorchampion wrote: nexus first = dirty, greedy, etc 14cc = perfectly fine anyways, gg The thing is 14 cc ONLY works against nexus first. So yes it's very fine | ||
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emperorchampion
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Nope it's just good response from terran to counter dirty protoss greed. | ||
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Sirris
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lol...exactly. Personally I think any build is fine..it's how you play it. | ||
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Sirris
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On March 30 2022 21:35 emperorchampion wrote: Nope it's just good response from terran to counter dirty protoss greed. I think Blind was joking | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On March 30 2022 21:35 emperorchampion wrote: Nope it's just good response from terran to counter dirty protoss greed. You of all people would know that cheesy turtle noob is code for flash. | ||
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emperorchampion
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Also being facetious | ||
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Sirris
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On March 30 2022 21:38 emperorchampion wrote: Just frustrating that protoss is "not allowed" to have a build order that puts them ahead at any point in the game basically, they just have to play a "standard" game and go into late game vs 3/3 mech army I really don't think that's true at all...a build order that puts them ahead...12 nexus? Common man. Protoss has huge build order advantages. They can fast expand - i mean gate first - 1 gate zealot pressure into Robo into reaver with no goon range for example. You're just wrong imo sorry.Not to mention all the gas steal build orders. | ||
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Sirris
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Being facetious by being absolutely accurate;) | ||
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TMNT
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On March 30 2022 21:02 Sirris wrote: Vemeer is a great map for Terran for sure. Tight attack chokes unless you move to the middle. Told you Bisu would abuse 12 nexus I heard that Vermeer is designed by Latias with advices from Rush, Hero and Mini to make the next "standard" map after Polypoid. Turns out P has < 40% win rate vs both T and Z on that map. ZvT is still 45% for Z though. Either Mini is useless or there cant be a balanced map for all 3 races. Any "standard" map would just favor Terran while P is just unfavored against anyone. Just a complain about map design in general though. Bisu will just lose to Light in a long series whatever the map pool is. | ||
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Sirris
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On March 30 2022 21:48 emperorchampion wrote: At the end of the day, OK scan/nyoken are both terran mains, it's fine. But on 4 player maps 12 nexus seems like a very reasonable build vs what terran wants to do. Protoss has basically no chance mid-late game once terran gets upgrades so you need to end it before then. I just don't really see it as greedy or dirty, it basically seems standard to me. I don't think they had any real problem with nexus first. I'm a terran favored guy myself and I expected Bisu to open 12 nexus on most of the games. I think I said "Bisu will abuse the 12 nexus" in fact. 12 nexus is an extremely strong build against Terran. It makes terran make a tough choice based on their opener. Either play from behind or try to punish and potentially lose the game right away. I think 12 nexus is a great play by protoss and there is nothing wrong with it. The challenge is how Terran counters it or out plays Protoss after being behind from it. Some Terran haters seemed to think otherwise. But I think this was an amazing series. They might see it as terran being op? | ||
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emperorchampion
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On March 30 2022 21:55 LG)Sabbath wrote: Bisu is barely top 5 PvT in the world and he almost took down both of the arguably top 2 active TvP players. Stop feeling hopeless about PvT, there's plenty of ways P can fight back these solid macro terrans. Doesn't he literally have the best pvt winrate in asl? (prior to JyJ series I recall this on the broadcast) | ||
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Sirris
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On March 30 2022 21:59 Optimate wrote: Series over with? I can’t get on stream. The series is over. Don't look at the thread! You can watch it without being spoiled shortly. | ||
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Sirris
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On March 30 2022 21:57 emperorchampion wrote: Doesn't he literally have the best pvt winrate in asl? (prior to JyJ series I recall this on the broadcast) I don't think he has the best pvt win rate, maybe he does but he is certainly in the top five easily;) I'd say number 3 behind Snow and Best. Despite what the stats say. The stats are misleading imo...the Flash effect. | ||
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Sirris
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On March 30 2022 22:00 Optimate wrote: Why liquipedia says bo7 but games stopped at bo5? It was bo 7. They didnt stop at BO5. | ||
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LG)Sabbath
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On March 30 2022 21:57 emperorchampion wrote: Doesn't he literally have the best pvt winrate in asl? (prior to JyJ series I recall this on the broadcast) Not going by stats, this is just my opinion, I find all of Rain, Snow, Best and possibly Mini more impressive and less bone-headed at PvT. They might be choking on the big stage though. | ||
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On March 30 2022 21:47 TMNT wrote: I heard that Vermeer is designed by Latias with advices from Rush, Hero and Mini to make the next "standard" map after Polypoid. Turns out P has < 40% win rate vs both T and Z on that map. ZvT is still 45% for Z though. Either Mini is useless or there cant be a balanced map for all 3 races. Any "standard" map would just favor Terran while P is just unfavored against anyone. Just a complain about map design in general though. Bisu will just lose to Light in a long series whatever the map pool is. People need to realize that "standard" 4p maps are inherently favorable for Terran. It's always been like this. Obviously this can vary from CB and Polypoid which were marginally favorable to something like Shakuras Temple and Vermeer which are just appalling from a balance point of view. The only real shift in results on these type of maps are at the beginning of a meta shift, for example when Best was spanking Light/Rush/Flash on any of these maps with those new Shuttle/HT heavy strats. However Terran is strong and highly robust and they'll pretty easily figure out the response and restore their advantage on 4p maps. | ||
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Soulforged
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You meant any P opening that late probe scouts / skips zealot / when P doesn't find the Terran before deciding to skip the zealot? The tank time is the same or even faster than with rax CC open. The bunker is ready in time for the first goon, the scvs can prevent a runby until there's enough marines in the bunker. There's no answer to a fast zealot, but if P never made a zealot, terran is just really ahead. It is risky, but saying it only works vs 12nex is a bit much. On the series: Bisu doesn't have good engages in PvT outside of the early game, and he never had them, so the result is not surprising. | ||
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On March 30 2022 23:53 Soulforged wrote: I'd say Rain is still significantly favored against Light, if he makes it to the finals. Legitimately laughed out loud at this. | ||
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On March 30 2022 21:55 LG)Sabbath wrote: Bisu is barely top 5 PvT in the world and he almost took down both of the arguably top 2 active TvP players. Stop feeling hopeless about PvT, there's plenty of ways P can fight back these solid macro terrans. If onlinestats are taken acount, Bisu is clearly behind Best, Rain, Mini and Snow (who has currently best winrate against terran acording eloboard.net) in pvt. With that being said, Light seemed to have good read on how Bisu was going to play. Looking to it now, I think Light genuinely would rather face Rain than Soma. | ||
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On March 30 2022 06:23 Lazyer wrote: My guess is Light 4-2 Bisu light played phenomenally, fun to see hallu used (even if it didn't work out as well) | ||
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TMNT
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On March 31 2022 01:43 Brainojack wrote: I think the term 'throw' is used a bit much, but in game 1 was bisu not waaaay ahead before turfing 60 supply trying to crash through mines and tanks? what's the idea there, trade evenly and out produce Light on the other side of the engagement or simply end the game? Not sure he was even ahead. Maybe slightly ahead before the first big push but that was it. Supply flattered to deceive in that game because his army was pure goons and zealots with 1 Arbiter. Problem is the map is favorable for Terran to defend and expand (hence they always pick it first in TvP). I'd imagine if it was Polypoid Bisu would've busted the 3rd expo at least. After that first push the game was slowly going downhill for Bisu even with his huge bank. The idea was to starve Terran of resources with good trades but Light never allowed Bisu to take one. In recent ASL there was a very similar game between Light and Snow: same split map situation, no weak points from Terran, and Snow kept recalling in vain. In hindsight maybe only a Carrier switch would prove fruition for Protoss. Idk. | ||
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Rain: you need to memorize and count the amount of scvs upon arriving in T's base(which he did while prepping for Eclipse). This way you can tell if T is doing 2 rax and change your build from there. This is knowledge he picked up from losing to Last a long time ago on Match point in ASL ro4 | ||
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Djabanete
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On March 31 2022 06:55 staatbauhaus wrote: Game 2 Eclipse Rain: you need to memorize and count the amount of scvs upon arriving in T's base(which he did while prepping for Eclipse). This way you can tell if T is doing 2 rax and change your build from there. This is knowledge he picked up from losing to Last a long time ago on Match point in ASL ro4 Super interesting. Post more tidbits of their commentary if you can. | ||
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staatbauhaus
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Light thought he was dreaming when he saw an arbiter at 11 minutes right when Bisu was ready to crash his army. He figured Bisu must have had 170 supply but after checking the replay he couldn't believe it was 200/200 supply. He goes on to say most terrans can't stop Bisu's 1a2a3a build even if they know it's coming. The way to have a fighting chance against it is to be at least 150 supply when the toss comes to 1a2a3a into you. Also, you need to have your +1 done, arbiter has to use stasis so toss can't recall, and a 4th cc built ready to float after the fight. If all four objectives are met you're ahead of toss at that point. At 14min if the recall that fell didn't destroy his cc, he would have went on the offensive to push out to kill 9 oclock, tosses front Nexus and mineral only. But due to his cc being destroyed, he was at an economical disadvantage so he split map. Normally with his practice partners, he was able to split map and push out to kill expos but against Bisu he was on full defense mode because Bisu's game movement speed was extremely fast. | ||
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The disrespect on Rain Literally one of the most successful players in the modern BW Era He can beat Light, soma is clearly the bigger threat | ||
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oxKnu
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On March 31 2022 16:02 ShowTheLights wrote: The disrespect on Rain Literally one of the most successful players in the modern BW Era He can beat Light, soma is clearly the bigger threat I'm a Rain fan actually. I actually think he's the sole bright light in the current batch of Protosses. His PvT is relatively weak, always has been. Today, especially given that he knows less about the meta than guys like Light who haven't stopped playing the game. I'd argue that his PvP and PvZ is considerably superior to his PvT. And this ASL has some of the worst protoss maps when it comes to PvT. So there's no reason to be confident that Rain will do well against Light. If you believe a lot in the mental aspect of the game, then sure, Rain has the edge, always has (except against Flash ofc). I don't care much about that aspect in a Bo7, even if stakes are high. | ||
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ShowTheLights
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On March 31 2022 16:49 oxKnu wrote: I'm a Rain fan actually. I actually think he's the sole bright light in the current batch of Protosses. His PvT is relatively weak, always has been. Today, especially given that he knows less about the meta than guys like Light who haven't stopped playing the game. I'd argue that his PvP and PvZ is considerably superior to his PvT. And this ASL has some of the worst protoss maps when it comes to PvT. So there's no reason to be confident that Rain will do well against Light. If you believe a lot in the mental aspect of the game, then sure, Rain has the edge, always has (except against Flash ofc). I don't care much about that aspect in a Bo7, even if stakes are high. Ah thats fair man great points Awww man I'm sad about Bisu. Really amazing try though I reallyyyyy hope he keeps playing but I'm worried he'll retire soon | ||
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prosatan
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On March 31 2022 17:06 ShowTheLights wrote: Ah thats fair man great points Awww man I'm sad about Bisu. Really amazing try though I reallyyyyy hope he keeps playing but I'm worried he'll retire soon Well , he is seeded for the next ASL  | ||
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TMNT
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That said Bisu is the only player born in the 80s in the Ro8 and one of the oldest players in ASL nowadays. It's actually a testament to his talent that he's still up there with the best players of the modern era. | ||
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RowdierBob
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Soma and Rain can beat him but I wouldn't be betting against Light. | ||
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QOGQOG
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On April 01 2022 09:40 RowdierBob wrote: How are people still sleeping on Light? He's clearly the best of the four remaining IMO. His TvP is rock solid and his TvZ has consistently been his best matchup for a long time. Soma and Rain can beat him but I wouldn't be betting against Light. Light is certainly a good player—when he's playing his best, probably #1 in the world. But when I think about his finals vs Queen or his series vs hero last season, I just can't bet on him. Still, maybe this will be his season. Certainly wouldn't be sad to see him win. | ||
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Sirris
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On March 30 2022 23:53 Soulforged wrote: I'd say Rain is still significantly favored against Light, if he makes it to the finals. I think it's very even personally. Could go either way. I do think that will be the final though. It was a very hard choice between Soma and Rain though. Soma can certainly beat him. I just think Rain has that clutch magic that Soma doesn't. Also the way Rain has been controlling his army. | ||
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Sirris
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On March 30 2022 23:41 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Light figured out TvP ? It is the first time i see Protoss feeling so weak. Light either full defense or full agro with same results. I agree it looked like he did. Somehow Light always had an answer...always managed to have enough units in the correct place no matter how bad the game looked for him. | ||
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Sirris
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On March 30 2022 23:08 Soulforged wrote: Since when does 14cc work only against nexus first? You meant any P opening that late probe scouts / skips zealot / when P doesn't find the Terran before deciding to skip the zealot? The tank time is the same or even faster than with rax CC open. The bunker is ready in time for the first goon, the scvs can prevent a runby until there's enough marines in the bunker. There's no answer to a fast zealot, but if P never made a zealot, terran is just really ahead. It is risky, but saying it only works vs 12nex is a bit much. On the series: Bisu doesn't have good engages in PvT outside of the early game, and he never had them, so the result is not surprising. It's not that it CAN"T work. It's just unlikely to. A zealot opener presents a lot of problems that are obvious. If they late scout and and go goon first they have options like proxy robo(near the natural) with no shuttle into reaver while pumping goons to quickly crush the bunker before seige is ready. They could could cut probes and get a faster gate depending on the timing of their scout for an overwhelming 2 gate range all in. It takes exceptional crisis management for T to beat a non nexus first opener after going 14 CC. It can be done but it's very very difficult. Flash used to do them back in the day occasionally but it was very map dependent and...well it's flash. It still wasn't easy for him.. Protoss got better at countering them after that point which is why you rarely see them now unless Terran is extremely confident Protoss is going nexus first. | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1688 Posts
Even his play he's so goddamn solid and that's what makes him amazing but he's also not that flashy in his play in general And I'm a light fan I'm just being honest | ||
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whaski
Finland577 Posts
On April 01 2022 16:17 ShowTheLights wrote: People are sleeping on Light because he is boring as shit as a personality Even his play he's so goddamn solid and that's what makes him amazing but he's also not that flashy in his play in general And I'm a light fan I'm just being honest I honestly don't understand this. Is It some cultural thing, because when I watch Light, he experiments a lot with things like wraiths in tvp etc. With university content he has done stuff like playing with one hand, mass queen vs sk terran (against his wife hahaha) and 2v1 while eating. And then there is this stuff: . | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
Takes a cunning Protoss like mini to take Light down. Rain this season has shown to be quite tricky (although with mixed results) - so maybe he can put up a better fight than Bisu. | ||
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LpTraxamillion
265 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4128 Posts
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RKC
2848 Posts
Personally, I hope we get a Rain v Light finals. Soma is most devastating with tricky timing builds in mid-game. From a casual viewing perspective, it's not much fun to keep watching hydra/lurker busts in long series. Zerg players able to mix up with great hive play like SK, Action or Larva are more fascinating to watch (besides, we've already watched enough of peak Zero tearing up ASL in past seasons with similar playstyle like Soma). Soma is the slight favourite to win it all at this point. But just not feeling hyped about that prospect. | ||
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JoinTheRain
Bulgaria408 Posts
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Avi-Love
Denmark423 Posts
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RKC
2848 Posts
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TMNT
2720 Posts
In fact there's no such thing as the best BW player in the world for a long time if you exclude Flash. There are only a top 10 players right now who clearly stand above the rest but the gaps between themselves are very small. People often read too much into ASL results which are limited in size and dependent on luck, form, match-up,... The truth is anyone can beat anyone on a given day. Not so long ago Light lost 1-8 to Soulkey and Soma lost 2-7 to Best, for example. | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
Is it me or Light's TvP looks even better now than his TvZ? That's quite evolution for him, TvP was his weak spot all these years which kept him from winning tournaments. | ||
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oxKnu
1180 Posts
The problem with the current scene is that Zergs are consistently overrated because they spank Protoss whenever, wherever, especially in the last 3 years. (yes, Mini's run is the exception). That being said, in a TvZ, the actual maps (potential imbalances) and meta actually matters more and Terran has been doing well enough to have their best guy (Light) win this season of ASL. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
It's noteworthy that Action decided to play tricky against Light (but ultimately failed) despite being a macro hive monster. Shows that top Zergs are equally fearful of Light's late game prowess and aware of Light's vulnerabilities to mind games and early game aggression. | ||
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