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WCG SC: BW 07 Final Group Drawing

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Coach
Profile Joined February 2007
United States191 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-06 04:57:02
September 05 2007 04:16 GMT
#1
◆ Group A
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1. 3-0-0 9pts
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Krzysztof "Draco" Nalepka
2. 2-1-0 6pts
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Byron "xLo.SteelHeart" Bongon
3. 1-2-0 3pts
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Giancarlos Joan "xLo.Fenix" Morayra Alejo
4. 0-3-0 0pts
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Jamie "ToT)MidiaN(" Hallam

◆ Group B
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1. 3-1-0 9pts
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Eddy "uT)eDDYiSrEADy" Nedialkov
2. 3-1-0 9pts
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Nikolaos "xLo.sataNik" Konstantakis
3. 2-2-0 6pts
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Anton "LoWeLy" Plebanovich
4. 2-2-0 6pts
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Christian "BrEaKdOwN" Schaefer
5. 0-4-0 0pts
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Brayant "kaiser" Bustamante

◆ Group C
# [image loading] [image loading] [image loading] → Player

1. 4-0-0 12pts
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CHUANHAI "Phoenix66" ZHUANG
2. 3-1-0 9pts
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Sascha "GoOdy" Lupp
3. 2-2-0 6pts
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Ivan "LRM)Lamer" Velikov
4. 1-3-0 3pts
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Geoff "ToT)iNcontroL(" Robinson
5. 0-4-0 0pts
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Alexander "3D.Notforu" Davydov

◆ Group D
# [image loading] [image loading] [image loading] → Player

1. 3-1-0 9pts
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Andrey "3D.Androide" Kukhianidze
2. 3-1-0 9pts
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james "jamesfoo" foo
3. 2-2-0 6pts
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Daniel "xLo.asS" Hernandez Teja
4. 2-2-0 6pts
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Daniel "xLo.Nyoken" Eidson
5. 0-4-0 0pts
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Wesley "cooch" Evans

◆ Group E
# [image loading] [image loading] [image loading] → Player

1. 3-0-0 9pts
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YoungSu "STX Hwasin" Jin
2. 2-1-0 6pts
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Grzegorz "xLo.Dreiven" Kordek
3. 1-2-0 3pts
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Tomas "uT)Maix" Samol
4. 0-3-0 0pts
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YIFENG "MYM.F91" SUN

◆ Group F
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1. 3-1-0 9pts
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Byunggu "KHAN Stork" Song
2. 3-1-0 9pts
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Aleksey "MYM.White-Ra" Krupnik
3. 3-1-0 9pts
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Vakhtang "EX" Zakiev
4. 1-3-0 3pts
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Ha "ThuocLao" Le Thanh
5. 0-4-0 0pts
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Lorenzo "FiRe" Benedetti

◆ Group G
# [image loading] [image loading] [image loading] → Player

1. 3-1-0 9pts
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Carlo "ClouD" Giannacco
2. 3-1-0 9pts
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JUNCHUN "SKT1 Pj" SHA
3. 2-2-0 6pts
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Dmitriy "3D.MoOnZerG" Bogomolov
4. 2-2-0 6pts
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Andrejs "uT)Cool2Die" Kalnins
5. 0-4-0 0pts
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Mauro "chivu" Castaneda

◆ Group H
# [image loading] [image loading] [image loading] → Player

1. 4-0-0 12pts
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Christoph "ToT)Mondragon(" Semke
2. 3-1-0 9pts
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Jaeyoon "CJ sAviOr" Ma
3. 2-2-0 6pts
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Paulo Cesar "LRM)ReasoN" de Azevedo Cardoso Junior
4. 1-3-0 3pts
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Nick "MYM.Testie" Perentesis
5. 0-4-0 0pts
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Erkinov Shakhboz "Chingiz" Abduhakimovich

◆ Races
15 » Zerg
13 » Protoss
8 » Terran
2 » Random

◆ Teams
Excello: 6 players
Meet Your Makers: 3 players
Templars of Twilight: 3 players
Danger Destruction Death: 3 players
United Team: 3 players
Los Reyes del Mambo: 2 players
CJ Entus: 1 player
Samsung KHAN: 1 player
STX SouL: 1 player
SK Telecom T1: 1 player

General Regulation
• The rankings of players within each country are reflected as much as possible to avoid two players from the same country are not in the same group. (Except in unavoidable circumstances)
• The group drawing will start from the first place country from last year for each title: Ex) Korea for BW
• In case of new titles not represented last year, the group drawing will start from the first country in alphabetical order.
• If there are multiple players from a single country, the order will be 1st place, 2nd place, then 3rd place.
• If two players from the same country are drawn into the same group, the drawing will be re-done. (Except when re-drawing is not possible, such as the last country/player to be drawn.)
• No person or organization may raise an objection regarding the results of the group drawing.

Regulation in case of absent players
• The absentee will be recorded as forfeiting every match of the tournament
• Group full league will continue as is without changing groups or re-drawing
• If all players in a group qualify due to absentees, only the seeding match will be held
• For events where points or records are important, any match with the absentee will be recorded as a win, but the point or record will be 0 for that match.

Note: F91, Notforu, & Chingiz will be absent.

When there are 8 groups
- The top 2 players (teams) will advance from each group to play in the top 16 single elimination tournament.

Source:
Group Full League
Players
Brackets
["Skill is earned by hardwork, not dreaming."]
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
September 05 2007 04:20 GMT
#2
Fosken?!
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
September 05 2007 04:29 GMT
#3
hahahaha group H is pretty stacked
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
TaDa1.
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
655 Posts
September 05 2007 04:30 GMT
#4
kaka testie vs savior ^^
savior need to pvz mondi !!!!
sos bomber stork savior fan ^ http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/5160596/1/WXZ/achievements/category/4377898
bellsprout
Profile Joined June 2006
Australia219 Posts
September 05 2007 04:35 GMT
#5
haha i was watching the draw for group h. reason, then testie, then mondragon. i was like "wow can this group be more stacked?"

then savior

i lol'd
LibertyTerran
Profile Joined July 2004
Vietnam711 Posts
September 05 2007 04:36 GMT
#6
please fix Cool2die / chivu / moonzerg nationality. And group H is just ... lolz ...
if it aint broke, dont fix it
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9021 Posts
September 05 2007 04:38 GMT
#7
Savior and Chivu should switch
Aurious
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Canada1772 Posts
September 05 2007 04:39 GMT
#8
Fuck Why does the group Testie is in ALWAYS gotta be the GoD
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
September 05 2007 04:41 GMT
#9
Oh dear.

Poor Mondi can't take a break with his group selection last two years.

It's obvious they have seeding for the Korean players, so why not the top foreigners?
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
dronebabo
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
10866 Posts
September 05 2007 04:42 GMT
#10
--- Nuked ---
SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
September 05 2007 04:45 GMT
#11
hahaha imagine being chingikhan when reading the group drawings for the first time
AUSSIESCUM
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bellsprout
Profile Joined June 2006
Australia219 Posts
September 05 2007 04:49 GMT
#12
too many zergs in group h. savior should play terran
SpringWind
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
China231 Posts
September 05 2007 04:54 GMT
#13
China 1st is Phoenix66,should be in group C and F91 should be in group E
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
September 05 2007 04:55 GMT
#14
quite a few zergs. I thought the foreign scene consisted of many protoss
H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
September 05 2007 04:56 GMT
#15
On September 05 2007 13:45 SoMuchBetter wrote:
hahaha imagine being chingikhan when reading the group drawings for the first time


Poor bastard
[iHs]HCO | のヮの | pachi & plexa ownz | RIP _
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
September 05 2007 05:00 GMT
#16
FUCK GROUP H GROUP OF DEATH AGAIN haha

sucks that of mondi, testie, and savior, one of them won't be advancing =(
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
September 05 2007 05:03 GMT
#17
I mean, Group A is kinda lol, Group B is a joke, Group D is pretty straightforward, Group E is lol, Group F is strong, and Group G is lol.

Then you have Group C and Group H.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
MoNKeYSpanKeR
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2869 Posts
September 05 2007 05:04 GMT
#18
On September 05 2007 14:00 GrandInquisitor wrote:
FUCK GROUP H GROUP OF DEATH AGAIN haha

sucks that of mondi, testie, and savior, one of them won't be advancing =(


Fixed.
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
September 05 2007 05:07 GMT
#19
C? E and F are far stronger than C
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azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
September 05 2007 05:07 GMT
#20
does this mean all the koreans are on the same side of the bracket? or is it double-elim?
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
September 05 2007 05:10 GMT
#21
WOW testie/mondragon got fucked >_<
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
September 05 2007 05:10 GMT
#22
On September 05 2007 14:07 IdrA wrote:
C? E and F are far stronger than C


haha fuck i didn't see hte koreans

well still though, assuming the koreans are auto-advance, which group of foreigners is stronger? lamer F91 notforu goody + USA 2nd place, or maix dreiven phoenix or thuoclao white-ra ex?
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Coach
Profile Joined February 2007
United States191 Posts
September 05 2007 05:13 GMT
#23
Top 2 from each group advance to 16 man tournament. Groups are bo1.
["Skill is earned by hardwork, not dreaming."]
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
September 05 2007 05:14 GMT
#24
well usa #2 could flip it around but i definetly think its easier to get top 2 in lamer/f91/notforu/goody than 1st place of maix/dreiven/phoenix or ex/whitera.

phoenix is very good (better than f91 i think) and dreiven and maix are both solid, depending on the matchup. and i think ex/white-ra are both better than anyone in group C
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BalloonFight
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States2007 Posts
September 05 2007 05:18 GMT
#25
Why the fuck are dissy and testie always grouped in the same group. God damn that's so dumb.
Organ
Profile Joined September 2006
Russian Federation987 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-05 05:32:06
September 05 2007 05:28 GMT
#26
Fix it. 2nd Poland is not Fosken, it's Draco. This group drawing sucks.. So many mirrors in the group stage.

Group H is so strong. All of them went to the finals from the 1st place in their countries. Well.. almost all. Some random guy seems to have passed from the 3rd place. Clear underdog.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
September 05 2007 05:36 GMT
#27
Group B and H = LoL?

Zergfest...

Group H = death...
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
September 05 2007 05:37 GMT
#28
Savior is soooooooooooo gonna own everything up...
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27149 Posts
September 05 2007 05:41 GMT
#29
(Z)sAviOr should just random vs anyone not named (P)Stork. Yeah, that's right, fuck you (T)Hwasin.
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lastshadow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1372 Posts
September 05 2007 05:46 GMT
#30
Won't Savior be TvsZing? If so, Mondi might be able to take advantage of the lack of play from that area of Savior.

Otherwise Testie better come up with some boxer shit of protoss to take down that monster T_T.


I want to see someone try to 4pool Hwasin or Savior LOL!
Patience is a small price to pay for perfection.
oneill
Profile Joined August 2004
Philippines278 Posts
September 05 2007 05:47 GMT
#31
OMG GROUP H TESTIE MONDRAGON SAVIOR REASON hehehe
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
September 05 2007 05:51 GMT
#32
rofl @ ChingizKhan
merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
September 05 2007 06:04 GMT
#33
sad that this means either mondragon or testie will be eliminated in the group stage fuck.
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
Polemarch
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada1564 Posts
September 05 2007 06:05 GMT
#34
On September 05 2007 14:28 Organ wrote:
Group H is so strong. All of them went to the finals from the 1st place in their countries. Well.. almost all. Some random guy seems to have passed from the 3rd place. Clear underdog.


hahahaha

maybe we'll see that EASY button. actually with testie and lots of zvz, savior faces one of the tougher groups he could get. i don't see him losing zvt to any foreigners; but i think it's possible, although still unlikely, that he could drop a game to a novel protoss strategy or some randomness zvz.
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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
September 05 2007 06:05 GMT
#35
Who the fuck is ChingizKhan anyways? Either way, poor guy. Is he zerg too?
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
September 05 2007 06:14 GMT
#36
Prediction of a savior interview:

Have you heard of these guys?
No, I'll just own them regardless...

(Well, that's what Yellow said)
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51460 Posts
September 05 2007 06:19 GMT
#37
Yeh I wouldn't be suprised if Savior decided to play T or even R for the group games (except for vs testie and mondy)
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SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
September 05 2007 06:21 GMT
#38
To be honest, I completely forgot I was going to WCG.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Argoth.
Profile Joined December 2004
Germany1961 Posts
September 05 2007 06:22 GMT
#39
this sucks, mondi got the group of death again...
bellsprout
Profile Joined June 2006
Australia219 Posts
September 05 2007 06:23 GMT
#40
On September 05 2007 15:14 Cambium wrote:
Prediction of a savior interview:

Have you heard of these guys?
No, I'll just own them regardless...

(Well, that's what Yellow said)

that's what he said pretty much after wcg nationals. he thinks if he avoids the koreans he'll have no problem

anyway it could be bad for him. there's a lot of zergs in his group and taking a map or two is easy zvz - sen did it, so can mondie/reason. and theres 1001 cheeses for testie to do pvz, or if testie goes zerg, more unpredictableness.

anyway i think we've learnt from last year there's always 2 spots up for grabs in these groups of death
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
September 05 2007 06:23 GMT
#41
On September 05 2007 15:21 MYM.Testie wrote:
To be honest, I completely forgot I was going to WCG.


haha. Seeing your group must be a nice surprise then..
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
September 05 2007 06:24 GMT
#42
On September 05 2007 15:05 Polemarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2007 14:28 Organ wrote:
Group H is so strong. All of them went to the finals from the 1st place in their countries. Well.. almost all. Some random guy seems to have passed from the 3rd place. Clear underdog.


hahahaha

maybe we'll see that EASY button. actually with testie and lots of zvz, savior faces one of the tougher groups he could get. i don't see him losing zvt to any foreigners; but i think it's possible, although still unlikely, that he could drop a game to a novel protoss strategy or some randomness zvz.


I believe so too. If I wanted Savior to lose to a foreigner, I would place him in this group.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
September 05 2007 06:29 GMT
#43
On September 05 2007 15:23 EpiK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2007 15:21 MYM.Testie wrote:
To be honest, I completely forgot I was going to WCG.


haha. Seeing your group must be a nice surprise then..


Meh, it'll do.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Blind
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States2528 Posts
September 05 2007 06:34 GMT
#44
Bunch of zvz's for Savior. Probably the matchup with the best chance of a foreigner beating savior.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
September 05 2007 06:39 GMT
#45
and WOW does USA have an incentive to get 1st place heeh. Basically guranteed to make it at least #2 in te group behind androide.
Organ
Profile Joined September 2006
Russian Federation987 Posts
September 05 2007 06:41 GMT
#46
On September 05 2007 15:34 Blind wrote:
Bunch of zvz's for Savior. Probably the matchup with the best chance of a foreigner beating savior.

Definitely not at Paranoid Android.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
September 05 2007 06:51 GMT
#47
On September 05 2007 14:51 EpiK wrote:
rofl @ ChingizKhan


hahah
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SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
September 05 2007 06:57 GMT
#48
On September 05 2007 15:41 Organ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2007 15:34 Blind wrote:
Bunch of zvz's for Savior. Probably the matchup with the best chance of a foreigner beating savior.

Definitely not at Paranoid Android.


True.
On Paranoid Android and Peaks, Savior will not lose ZvZ.
His only chances to lose ZvZ are on Gaia and Azalea.
And those are still only chances.
Albeit slim.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
September 05 2007 07:03 GMT
#49
lol whoever gets top USA has an easy ride hahahah
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Organ
Profile Joined September 2006
Russian Federation987 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-05 07:05:57
September 05 2007 07:03 GMT
#50
On September 05 2007 15:57 MYM.Testie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2007 15:41 Organ wrote:
On September 05 2007 15:34 Blind wrote:
Bunch of zvz's for Savior. Probably the matchup with the best chance of a foreigner beating savior.

Definitely not at Paranoid Android.


True.
On Paranoid Android and Peaks, Savior will not lose ZvZ.
His only chances to lose ZvZ are on Gaia and Azalea.
And those are still only chances.
Albeit slim.

Maybe at Peaks one can get a BO advantage like Sen did twice at WWI. And he did win one of those games.. Or you mean the only chance to win is unscouted 4-5 pool?
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
September 05 2007 07:10 GMT
#51
savior did not look invincible zvz on peaks in the chinese/korean tournament, he got behind early in 2 zvz's vs chinese players and was forced to rely on his muta micro to pull him back in.
obviously its incredibly unlikely for him to lose, but not impossible.
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True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3424 Posts
September 05 2007 07:10 GMT
#52
Draco has an easy group, Dreiven has a pretty tough one, a lot will depend on the maps, it seems. And Group H is just pure imba.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
September 05 2007 07:12 GMT
#53
group H is sad.. really. Testie Mondragon and Reason let alone Savior should all be in seperate groups. Hwasin will rape the fuck out of his group same with Stork... and Savior will surely qualify. They need to make this fun and have 3 koreans in 1 fucking group, how would theylike that? hahah korea would be up in arms.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
September 05 2007 07:14 GMT
#54
too bad they won't put people from the same country in the same group... but ya, Group H is kind of retarded... but I guess if they were randomly generated, it was bound to happen that there would be an imbalanced group.
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Black Pearl
Profile Joined September 2007
United States21 Posts
September 05 2007 07:20 GMT
#55
Dreiven in hard group and second player from Poland is Draco (not Fosken).
Why there are only 4players in groups: A and E ? Could some players join or this is closed ?
do not believe in every word you read here
HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
September 05 2007 07:32 GMT
#56
H is a death bracket. : o
http://steamcommunity.com/id/HaXxorIzed
Blind
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States2528 Posts
September 05 2007 07:35 GMT
#57
On September 05 2007 15:57 MYM.Testie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2007 15:41 Organ wrote:
On September 05 2007 15:34 Blind wrote:
Bunch of zvz's for Savior. Probably the matchup with the best chance of a foreigner beating savior.

Definitely not at Paranoid Android.


True.
On Paranoid Android and Peaks, Savior will not lose ZvZ.
His only chances to lose ZvZ are on Gaia and Azalea.
And those are still only chances.
Albeit slim.
Hm, why? Are those maps his specialties? I didn't know this.
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3424 Posts
September 05 2007 07:41 GMT
#58
He is able to scout his opponent immediately on both, plus he did practice a whole lot on peaks.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-05 07:50:14
September 05 2007 07:42 GMT
#59
On September 05 2007 16:35 Blind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2007 15:57 MYM.Testie wrote:
On September 05 2007 15:41 Organ wrote:
On September 05 2007 15:34 Blind wrote:
Bunch of zvz's for Savior. Probably the matchup with the best chance of a foreigner beating savior.

Definitely not at Paranoid Android.


True.
On Paranoid Android and Peaks, Savior will not lose ZvZ.
His only chances to lose ZvZ are on Gaia and Azalea.
And those are still only chances.
Albeit slim.
Hm, why? Are those maps his specialties? I didn't know this.


More player positions = reduces the skill involved builds and increases chances of the luck builds.

ZvsZ is actually a skill-based matchup on maps like Paranoid. But there are so few of them that it doesn't matter, thus it is highly luck dependent.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Organ
Profile Joined September 2006
Russian Federation987 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-05 07:46:49
September 05 2007 07:42 GMT
#60
On September 05 2007 16:35 Blind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2007 15:57 MYM.Testie wrote:
On September 05 2007 15:41 Organ wrote:
On September 05 2007 15:34 Blind wrote:
Bunch of zvz's for Savior. Probably the matchup with the best chance of a foreigner beating savior.

Definitely not at Paranoid Android.


True.
On Paranoid Android and Peaks, Savior will not lose ZvZ.
His only chances to lose ZvZ are on Gaia and Azalea.
And those are still only chances.
Albeit slim.
Hm, why? Are those maps his specialties? I didn't know this.

ZvZ is often luck dependant. If you want to defeat Savior, you must have at least BO advantage (12pool vs 9pool, 12hatch vs 12pool). But in ZvZ on Paranoid Android, you see opoonent's BO from the first minute of the game. And noone wants to have his build countered. So all ZvZ's here have somewhat similar builds like 13expo hatch->13pool or maybe double hatch before pool. And it's all about skill.
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7218 Posts
September 05 2007 07:49 GMT
#61
is this the first year greece has an sc wcg?
Entusman #12
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
September 05 2007 07:56 GMT
#62
On September 05 2007 15:41 Organ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2007 15:34 Blind wrote:
Bunch of zvz's for Savior. Probably the matchup with the best chance of a foreigner beating savior.

Definitely not at Paranoid Android.


why?
Organ
Profile Joined September 2006
Russian Federation987 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-05 07:59:51
September 05 2007 07:59 GMT
#63
On September 05 2007 16:56 EpiK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2007 15:41 Organ wrote:
On September 05 2007 15:34 Blind wrote:
Bunch of zvz's for Savior. Probably the matchup with the best chance of a foreigner beating savior.

Definitely not at Paranoid Android.


why?

Look at previous page.
Ketama)Djin(
Profile Joined November 2005
Germany2590 Posts
September 05 2007 08:26 GMT
#64
what a stupid drawing 8[
BlaCha
Profile Joined March 2005
Poland743 Posts
September 05 2007 08:37 GMT
#65
HaHaHa @ group H
Of course, fucking of course.
Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
September 05 2007 08:41 GMT
#66
Trinidad and Tobago wtf? lol
Beamo
Profile Joined March 2003
France1279 Posts
September 05 2007 08:50 GMT
#67
On September 05 2007 16:49 littlechava wrote:
is this the first year greece has an sc wcg?


I may be wrong but I think Satanik was sent a few times.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-05 09:19:43
September 05 2007 09:15 GMT
#68
Mondi, Savior and Testie in the same group... This suxs... (well and i forgot Reason .... lol )
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Bifur
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Russian Federation1208 Posts
September 05 2007 09:21 GMT
#69
Interesting that we WILL NOT see either Stork or Hwasing among the winners of the WCG if each of them takes the 1st place in his groups or each takes the 2nd place in hisr group, since in 1/16 will be the following matches:

1) 1st place of E vs 2nd place of A
2) 1st place of F vs 2nd place of B
3) 2nd place of E vs 1st place of A
4) 2nd place of F vs 1st palce of B

in 1/8 the winner of 1) will face the winner of 2) and the winner of 3) will face the winner of 4).

So the only chance to see all three koreans between winners of WCG is if Hwasin and Stork take DIFFERENT places in their groups: one of them has to be the 1st, the other - the 2nd.
puLs.ReADy
Profile Joined November 2005
Bulgaria1301 Posts
September 05 2007 09:23 GMT
#70
It looks there are few zergs in my group ;0
Bifur
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Russian Federation1208 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-05 09:27:49
September 05 2007 09:24 GMT
#71
The same argument works with Germany: we will see all three Germans among winners of WCG only if Goody and Mondragon take different winning places in their groups.

The same with Russia: we will see all three Russians among winners of WCG only if NotForu and Androide take different winning places in their groups.

The same with China: we will see all three Chineses among winners of WCG only if F91 and Pj take different winning places in their groups.
Kraekkling
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
440 Posts
September 05 2007 09:24 GMT
#72
lol group D trinidad & tobago ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(*^^)(^*)
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
September 05 2007 09:27 GMT
#73
ChingizKhan will obviously top group H.
I'll call Nada.
Kassios
Profile Joined May 2006
France1424 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-05 09:32:48
September 05 2007 09:31 GMT
#74
I dont understand why they show the group drawing whereas there are still players not qualified. It's not the case but for example if the Group D was easier than the C, one of the US player could freelose in the final in order to be 2nd so that he got the easiest group ..
anyway sad that testie, mondi & savior are in the same group ..
and I dont see Draco ?
- Death is certain, life is not -
jhNz
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany2762 Posts
September 05 2007 09:39 GMT
#75
omfg group h is erm... tough?
http://twitter.com/jhNz
phaib
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany156 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-05 10:47:26
September 05 2007 10:46 GMT
#76
But nevertheless Trinidad & Tobago will win WCG finals
My prediction:
A #1 Draco #2 Midian
B #1 Greece (Satanik?) #2 Breakdown
C #1 F91 #2 Notforu
D #1 USA (Idra?) #2 Androide
E #1 Hwasin #2 Dreiven
F #1 Stork #2 White-ra
G #1 PJ #2 Moonzerg
H #1 Mondragon #2 Testie (ok this one is more wishing )
wAVEland
Profile Joined May 2007
Germany169 Posts
September 05 2007 10:53 GMT
#77
honestly, who seeds the players? mondi got cheated again this is SOOO gay.
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
September 05 2007 11:19 GMT
#78
Group H is just sick. Reason is pretty fucking good, too. The only hope for one of the three guys ( mondi, tesite, reason ) is, that two of them dont train at all, because they are so unhappy about the groups and let it all just go..

Imho its not that testie and mondi are the clear favs to advance at the 2nd place. Its a toss up between Mondi, Testie and Reason. But we shall see.
The group with Goody is pretty decent, too.
hatred outlives the hateful
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
September 05 2007 11:26 GMT
#79
Its been too long since you've posted Coach :D
you always have neat icons
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
ShoutAbout
Profile Joined April 2007
Brazil177 Posts
September 05 2007 11:49 GMT
#80
Oh boy... ReasoN versus Zerg MUs are not good as vP and vT.
I really felt bad for him and ChingizKhan.
Get off my plane!
phaib
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany156 Posts
September 05 2007 11:57 GMT
#81
Reason is a good player but i think it would we a real suprise if he advances
[pG]Archi
Profile Joined July 2004
Germany354 Posts
September 05 2007 12:07 GMT
#82
F91 is in group E , not C.
Sadness
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Brazil552 Posts
September 05 2007 12:14 GMT
#83
FUCK FUCK FUCK
4 players that I wanted to advance are in the same group
fuck!!!!
It should be Stork who should be in group H!!!!
sohee_pink
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Philippines447 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-05 12:19:58
September 05 2007 12:19 GMT
#84
hahahahahahaha group E, F, and L...(me want Korea!!!) Is it just me or the brackets are risky? As in, we might not be able to see Korea 1, 2, 3 or 1, 2, 4
HwaSIn, Stork, sAviOr, GOGO!! ^-^
Not to mention 'kuya' Byron/SteelHeart for Philippines! Hope he does well, hehe, my turn next year
btw, WCG's gonna be on my birthday week If Korea wins, I'll think of it as Korea's (or just Hwasin's) birthday gift to me, haha.

Group H, 4 Zergs and 1 Toss...STACKED
Hiatus
Kacas
Profile Joined July 2003
Brazil3143 Posts
September 05 2007 12:21 GMT
#85
reason is fucked
LOL
I Love Hyori Lee =* icq: 41760400 / msn: kayen_chn at hotm
Musli
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Poland5130 Posts
September 05 2007 12:32 GMT
#86
Coach, Maix is a zerg, fix it pls.

And Dreiven wanted protosses in his group, well you cant have everything, right ? :D
Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall || mail/msn: muslii@gmail.com
b(O.o)p
Profile Joined November 2004
699 Posts
September 05 2007 12:35 GMT
#87
On September 05 2007 13:45 SoMuchBetter wrote:
hahaha imagine being chingikhan when reading the group drawings for the first time


rofl
the man known for his ANACONDA :)
b(O.o)p
Profile Joined November 2004
699 Posts
September 05 2007 12:39 GMT
#88
On September 05 2007 14:28 Organ wrote:
Fix it. 2nd Poland is not Fosken, it's Draco. This group drawing sucks.. So many mirrors in the group stage.

Group H is so strong. All of them went to the finals from the 1st place in their countries. Well.. almost all. Some random guy seems to have passed from the 3rd place. Clear underdog.


haha, nice one
the man known for his ANACONDA :)
viceroy
Profile Joined January 2003
Romania227 Posts
September 05 2007 14:01 GMT
#89
It's best of one. I'm sure Savior will lose to someone, I would think Mondragon, since he's such a smart player.. Testie could only win with a cheesy proxy or something like that. I think when playing BO1, it's a very different game, one has to play more defensive, and most likely fall back in economy/tech. I saw the replays from qualifiers and Mondragon plays a very different z vs z game, based more on skill (he's now at around 200 apm vs his old 130ish ) than in outsmarting his opponent. I'm a Savior fan, but I always liked Mondragon as a player. I wish both of then the best of luck !
Freezard
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Sweden1011 Posts
September 05 2007 14:28 GMT
#90
The foreign scene is all about Zerg... the pro scene all about Terran. That's pretty weird, but fun. I would watch ZvZ any day instead of TvT though. Firstly there's no chance they will last for 40-60 minutes. Secondly I just loooove muta micro. (H)
Bifur
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Russian Federation1208 Posts
September 05 2007 15:11 GMT
#91
On September 05 2007 23:28 Freezard wrote:
The foreign scene is all about Zerg... the pro scene all about Terran. That's pretty weird, but fun. I would watch ZvZ any day instead of TvT though. Firstly there's no chance they will last for 40-60 minutes. Secondly I just loooove muta micro. (H)


Ha-ha! You haven't seen the ZVZ game between Xiaozi and Satanik..it lasted for 45 minutes ))
Fen
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Australia1848 Posts
September 05 2007 15:21 GMT
#92
ouch H is gonna be rough
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
September 05 2007 15:46 GMT
#93
On September 05 2007 23:01 viceroy wrote:
It's best of one. I'm sure Savior will lose to someone, I would think Mondragon, since he's such a smart player.. Testie could only win with a cheesy proxy or something like that. I think when playing BO1, it's a very different game, one has to play more defensive, and most likely fall back in economy/tech. I saw the replays from qualifiers and Mondragon plays a very different z vs z game, based more on skill (he's now at around 200 apm vs his old 130ish ) than in outsmarting his opponent. I'm a Savior fan, but I always liked Mondragon as a player. I wish both of then the best of luck !


mondi has been at 200+ apm for several years
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MannerKiss
Profile Joined June 2003
United States2398 Posts
September 05 2007 15:59 GMT
#94
I for one hope we actually see someone compete with savior. I'd love nothing more than for a korean to not make it to the final 16. Best of luck to both mondi and testie.
I want an igloo.
SayGG
Profile Joined January 2006
Germany676 Posts
September 05 2007 16:02 GMT
#95
[image loading]


Hwasin or Stork have to get 2nd in their group. Otherwise they will meet in the quarters already. And Savior in the semis afterwards. If one of the two finishes his group second the koreans could end up at 1st, 2nd and 3rd.
mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
September 05 2007 16:04 GMT
#96
Just noticed that Testie only really needs to practice against one race if his concern is groups.

As for Koreans getting 1,2,3, a good system (Single elimination wtf) should allow that to happen.
I don't understand why WCG is not double.
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Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
September 05 2007 16:11 GMT
#97
WTF?! WCG NEEDS TO LEARN HOW TO MAKE BRACKETS!!!

A -> obviously Midian and Draco are the favorites
B -> Breakdown and Lowely are favorites but Greece #1 could change that I guess...
C -> Actually a pretty good group depending in part on who USA #2 is...
D -> ROFL? Androide and USA 1st are the obvious favorites though iirc ass isn't too bad... but at this level, he's a non-entity
E -> Hwasin and f91 duh... anything else is an upset
F -> Stork and then either White-Ra or Ex... Stork will probably go without a loss
G -> ROFLMAO, weak ass group. PJ... Italy has some decent players I think, but nobody who is a real entity at this level iirc and the others in that group... unless they've improved like a whole hell of a lot (which I doubt), they are just fodder for better players to march through
H -> WTF?! Savior, Testie, Mondragon and Reason all deserve to make the round of 16 imo. One of them should be moved to group G and one of them should be moved to like B or D or even A or E wouldn't be THAT bad (3 real big names in 1 group isn't too bad)
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
charcute
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada419 Posts
September 05 2007 16:37 GMT
#98
Group H testie and mondragon are good, Savior will loose against both of them
I like to do it all night long
iaretehnoob
Profile Joined June 2004
Sweden741 Posts
September 05 2007 16:43 GMT
#99
mondi and testie are fucking good. savior is savior.
charcute
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada419 Posts
September 05 2007 16:52 GMT
#100
If all korean finish first of their group, a foreigner is going to be second of WCG
I like to do it all night long
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-05 16:58:29
September 05 2007 16:56 GMT
#101
Group C is the most balanced imo and probably the most "interesting": no kors, and there are no clear favourites ( well perhaps phoenix ).

Group G is a joke.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-05 17:05:29
September 05 2007 17:00 GMT
#102
what the fuck at group h, go foreigners go!
you know what, it's time for a Bold Prediction

savior's not going to advance

looks like usa is going to do pretty well
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
September 05 2007 17:12 GMT
#103
WTF, EFH 1st all stuck on same side....
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
September 05 2007 17:13 GMT
#104
Yeah
1st place of ABCD are going to feel really good if they win if none of the koreans place 2nd.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Xeln4g4
Profile Joined January 2005
Italy1209 Posts
September 05 2007 17:24 GMT
#105
To be honest, I completely forgot I was going to WCG.


c'mon u were watching them live and almost got heart attack!
JoMal
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
September 05 2007 17:28 GMT
#106
Hey i'm form Trinidad and Tobago and yes there were some broodwar players ! WERE !!! Everyone plays DOTA now. We would do far better in FIFA or DOTA not broodwar. I'm sure I would have qualified if I weren't in Cuba studying !!!! I beleive that a guy with the aka. Dest is going. Can't remember what race he plays, but I played him like 5 years ago online lol.
Oh you mad cause i'm stylin on you
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
September 05 2007 17:35 GMT
#107
so fucking funny trinidad has a wcg -.-
JoMal
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-05 17:38:45
September 05 2007 17:36 GMT
#108
On September 06 2007 02:35 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
so fucking funny trinidad has a wcg -.-


Trinidad dosen't deserve one ? You have no idea about Trinidad and Tobago i'm sure ! We provide you americans with so much natural gas.. It ent funny. We're rich biatchhhh !!!
We've gone to the world cup, won miss universe. We have Brian Lara! And the best Carinival in the world. WCG whateva !
Oh you mad cause i'm stylin on you
Coach
Profile Joined February 2007
United States191 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-05 18:14:31
September 05 2007 17:54 GMT
#109
Predictions
+ Show Spoiler [Round of 16] +
Group A # 1
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Krzysztof "Draco" Nalepka (5th or 6th)
Group E # 2
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Sun Yi "MYM.F91" Feng (1st)

Group B # 1
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Greece (1st)
Group F # 2
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Aleksey "MYM.White-Ra" Krupnik (1st)

Group C # 1
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Zhuang Chuan "Phoenix66" Hai (2nd)
Group G # 2
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Dmitriy "3D.MoOnZerG" Bogomolov (1st)

Group D # 1
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USA (1st)
Group H # 2
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Nick "MYM.Testie" Perentesis (1st)

Group E # 1
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Jin Yung "STX HwaSin" Soo (1st)
Group A # 2
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Jamie "ToT)MidiaN(" Hallam (1st)

Group F # 1
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Song Byung "Stork KHAN" Goo (2nd)
Group B # 2
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Christian "BrEaKdOwN" Schaefer (2nd)

Group G # 1
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Jun Chun "Pj" Sha (3rd)
Group C # 2
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Ivan "LRM)Lamer" Velikov (1st)

Group H # 1
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Ma Jae "CJ sAviOr" Yoon (3rd)
Group D # 2
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Andrey "3D.Androide" Kukhanidze (3rd)

+ Show Spoiler [Quarterfinals] +
Group E # 2
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Sun Yi "MYM.F91" Feng (1st)
Group F # 2
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Aleksey "MYM.White-Ra" Krupnik (1st)

Group C # 1
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Zhuang Chuan "Phoenix66" Hai (2nd)
Group H # 2
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Nick "MYM.Testie" Perentesis (1st)

Group E # 1
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Jin Yung "STX HwaSin" Soo (1st)
Group F # 1
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Song Byung "Stork KHAN" Goo (2nd)

Group G # 1
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Jun Chun "Pj" Sha (3rd)
Group H # 1
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Ma Jae "CJ sAviOr" Yoon (3rd)

+ Show Spoiler [Semifinals] +
Group E # 2
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Sun Yi "MYM.F91" Feng (1st)
Group H # 2
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Nick "MYM.Testie" Perentesis (1st)

Group F # 1
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Song Byung "Stork KHAN" Goo (2nd)
Group H # 1
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Ma Jae "CJ sAviOr" Yoon (3rd)

+ Show Spoiler [Finals] +
Group H # 2
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Nick "MYM.Testie" Perentesis (1st)
Group H # 1
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Ma Jae "CJ sAviOr" Yoon (3rd)

+ Show Spoiler [Champion] +
Group H # 1
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Ma Jae "CJ sAviOr" Yoon (3rd)

+ Show Spoiler [Second Place] +
Group H # 2
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Nick "MYM.Testie" Perentesis (1st)

+ Show Spoiler [Third Place] +
Group F # 1
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Song Byung "Stork KHAN" Goo (2nd)
["Skill is earned by hardwork, not dreaming."]
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
September 05 2007 17:57 GMT
#110
I gotta disagree with a afew of your projections.. like Androide should be favored to be first in his group not second.. and greece wont make it out of prelims >_<
Coach
Profile Joined February 2007
United States191 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-05 18:15:39
September 05 2007 17:58 GMT
#111
Those are my predictions & my personal opinion.
["Skill is earned by hardwork, not dreaming."]
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
September 05 2007 18:07 GMT
#112
Time to make a (not so) bold prediction.

A Korean will purposely drop games to finish second in group, so Korea can go for 1, 2, 3.

National pride is stronger than personal pride. Koreans in international events tend to drop games to help out fellows. [Midas has done it, Reach has done it, others I can't remember have]
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
Coach
Profile Joined February 2007
United States191 Posts
September 05 2007 18:19 GMT
#113
On September 06 2007 03:07 Last Romantic wrote:
Time to make a (not so) bold prediction.

A Korean will purposely drop games to finish second in group, so Korea can go for 1, 2, 3.

National pride is stronger than personal pride. Koreans in international events tend to drop games to help out fellows. [Midas has done it, Reach has done it, others I can't remember have]


Koreans won't purposely drop games to finish 2nd in group. And if they do drop a game. It will be extremely hard for them to make 2nd. Plus groups game play is bo1.
["Skill is earned by hardwork, not dreaming."]
Zerg..HerO
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
China148 Posts
September 05 2007 18:19 GMT
#114
testie is gonna kill every zerg with the afro!
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
September 05 2007 18:21 GMT
#115
Coach, they always drop games to make the brackets as easy for them as possible so that Korea may do the best as possible and get the most players to the finals.

They've done it every year when necessary.

I doubt any of the koreans want to go through a Hwasin / Stork / Savior bracket to the finals.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Sadness
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Brazil552 Posts
September 05 2007 19:08 GMT
#116
Testie and Mondragon plz!!
I wanted to see Savior vs a foreigner in the final, but now fuck Savior!!
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
September 05 2007 19:10 GMT
#117
Yea Group H is lawl.
Peace~
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
September 05 2007 19:14 GMT
#118
Ya, I think the koreans are pretty well known for purposefully dropping games in order to create a better chance for them to go 1/2/3 ...

Didn't that happen in 2004 with like Midas dropping a game so he wouldnt have to face Xellos until the finals?
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Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-05 19:16:35
September 05 2007 19:16 GMT
#119
On September 06 2007 03:21 MYM.Testie wrote:
Coach, they always drop games to make the brackets as easy for them as possible so that Korea may do the best as possible and get the most players to the finals.

They've done it every year when necessary.

I doubt any of the koreans want to go through a Hwasin / Stork / Savior bracket to the finals.


Every year? You mean
Slash_co vs ForU was fake?
Midas vs Draco?
Hell, Midas vs M1-Cobo?
Midas vs A2?
Silent_Control vs Reason?
What about enlargedtestie vs Silent_Control?
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
September 05 2007 19:27 GMT
#120
I said every year when necessary.
Some of them are real.
Some were fake.
When Midas dropped a game to avoid Xellos, that was real.
There were others as well.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Sadness
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Brazil552 Posts
September 05 2007 19:38 GMT
#121
HellGhost vs Ogogo

ogogo: "You bunker me rush I gg ok?"
hg: "ok..."
GongKyuckTerran
Profile Joined March 2006
Croatia1096 Posts
September 05 2007 21:10 GMT
#122
draco > phoenix
satanik < white-ra

f91 > G2
D1 < Reason

Hwasin > A2
Stork > B2

PJ > C2
Savior > D2
______________________________

Draco > WhiteRa
F91 < Reason

Hwasin > Stork
Savior > PJ
_____________________________

Reason > Draco
Hwasin > Savior
_________________________

Finals:
Hwasin > Reason 3:0

3rd place :
Savior > Draco 3:0

1)Hwasin
2)Reason
3)Savior
4)Draco

GOGO Reason
Ultras di Spalato, Etre et durer
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
September 05 2007 22:04 GMT
#123
Reach vs Leg was also dropped game (in IEF or something)

It happens when brackets necessitate it. I don't see anything wrong with it - the Koreans believe the best players should win, unencumbered by things like bad draws. It is a perfectly sound ideology.

Coach - if losing one game makes it hard to get second.. how else are you supposed to get second? If it's round robin, second place is going to have to lose a game. I don't understand your logic.
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
September 05 2007 22:23 GMT
#124
Holy shit I read group H and laughed, best of luck to Mondi and Testie, but Jesuszerg is going to clean up.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
DaZe
Profile Joined November 2003
Sweden2111 Posts
September 05 2007 22:25 GMT
#125
testie in need of zerg-partner ;; masspractise :o
DeadVessel
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States6269 Posts
September 06 2007 00:55 GMT
#126
Mondi and Testie are in the hardest group so far ><. Will be good games though, both players get to show how they will do vs a top pro .
sc2rocks
Profile Joined August 2007
Singapore79 Posts
September 06 2007 00:58 GMT
#127
Group H looks sick.
SpringWind
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
China231 Posts
September 06 2007 01:16 GMT
#128
On September 06 2007 04:16 Shauni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2007 03:21 MYM.Testie wrote:
Coach, they always drop games to make the brackets as easy for them as possible so that Korea may do the best as possible and get the most players to the finals.

They've done it every year when necessary.

I doubt any of the koreans want to go through a Hwasin / Stork / Savior bracket to the finals.


Every year? You mean
Slash_co vs ForU was fake?
Midas vs Draco?
Hell, Midas vs M1-Cobo?
Midas vs A2?
Silent_Control vs Reason?
What about enlargedtestie vs Silent_Control?

who is Slash_co?
I just remember the guy who beat fOru on Estrella in WCG 2005 is CN_STORM
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-06 01:25:10
September 06 2007 01:20 GMT
#129
How did Draco get in?
Edit: ah gg just posted it
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
ShoutAbout
Profile Joined April 2007
Brazil177 Posts
September 06 2007 01:27 GMT
#130
Go ReasoN[saM] Go!!!
Erase'em all!!! Show us your anti-korean shield!
Btw sAviOr is pretty much harder than Silent_Control.

On September 06 2007 04:27 MYM.Testie wrote:
I said every year when necessary.
Some of them are real.
Some were fake.
When Midas dropped a game to avoid Xellos, that was real.
There were others as well.


No way.
Get off my plane!
ShoutAbout
Profile Joined April 2007
Brazil177 Posts
September 06 2007 01:29 GMT
#131
On September 05 2007 15:19 GTR-2-Go wrote:
Yeh I wouldn't be suprised if Savior decided to play T or even R for the group games (except for vs testie and mondy)


I really hope sAviOr randomizes and play as Terran.
Just like it went w/ GoRush... Infested CC GG.
Get off my plane!
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7239 Posts
September 06 2007 01:35 GMT
#132
the koreans will lose on purpose to avoid that shit.

Theres no way both finish #1 in their groups unless they arent allowed to know the results of the other group during play (which wont happen unless they play on the same day or something id imagine)
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
CreationZealot
Profile Joined May 2005
72 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-06 01:53:22
September 06 2007 01:51 GMT
#133
sh i t. group H,
WCG would make brakes with the 3 Koreans, 1st Germany, 1st Canada, 1st Poland, 1st Russia and 1st China in different groups.
T_T
i am CreationZealot
Organ
Profile Joined September 2006
Russian Federation987 Posts
September 06 2007 04:57 GMT
#134
On September 06 2007 04:38 Sadness wrote:
HellGhost vs Ogogo

ogogo: "You bunker me rush I gg ok?"
hg: "ok..."

Guys, do you really think that HG vs Ogogo @ Dahlia (WCG2003 group) was fake? Hmm, never thought about it..
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
September 06 2007 05:00 GMT
#135
Yes, it was fake.
Sadness depicted what actually what happened. Literally.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28673 Posts
September 06 2007 06:12 GMT
#136
oh my god group h haha
Moderator
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28673 Posts
September 06 2007 06:24 GMT
#137
On September 06 2007 02:13 MYM.Testie wrote:
Yeah
1st place of ABCD are going to feel really good if they win if none of the koreans place 2nd.


as should second places of groups efgh.. you should really practice for this, best chance you've ever had at $10000 from broodwar..
Moderator
jeddus
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States832 Posts
September 06 2007 06:48 GMT
#138
Mondragon, Testie and Savior???

Oh gawd...
sex appeal
ozdoba20
Profile Joined November 2005
Poland47 Posts
September 06 2007 07:03 GMT
#139
On September 06 2007 07:25 DaZe wrote:
testie in need of zerg-partner ;; masspractise :o


testie practise with your friend from the team '' sen'' or with some chinese players like beckham.

i my opinion you are great men with god attitude because you talk to other guys on this forum, no like draco on netwars etc.
gibon
denyo77
Profile Joined August 2005
Barbados220 Posts
September 06 2007 07:18 GMT
#140
someone forgot smorrie from the netherlands
bellsprout
Profile Joined June 2006
Australia219 Posts
September 06 2007 08:18 GMT
#141
think about it this way. better chance for foreigner to go further if korean get knocked out in group stage than having to face them in bo3's later on
Kassios
Profile Joined May 2006
France1424 Posts
September 06 2007 09:14 GMT
#142
yeah but it wasnt always fake when koreans lost to foreigner, I remember in 2003 when fisheye beat elky, grrr, and then lost to ogogo 1-2 in final
and grrr beat skehgus_kr for the third place, but who was he ?
- Death is certain, life is not -
gentile
Profile Joined August 2007
Switzerland594 Posts
September 06 2007 09:45 GMT
#143
GOOo mondi FFs ..bad luck every year :/
ToT)MidiaN(
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
England2183 Posts
September 06 2007 10:28 GMT
#144
On September 06 2007 18:14 Kassios wrote:
yeah but it wasnt always fake when koreans lost to foreigner, I remember in 2003 when fisheye beat elky, grrr, and then lost to ogogo 1-2 in final
and grrr beat skehgus_kr for the third place, but who was he ?


skehgus typed out with korean font on = na do hyun
that's silent_control's name
Nothing worth doing is devoid of risk
Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8836 Posts
September 06 2007 12:30 GMT
#145
Heh, gl Testie!
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
September 06 2007 15:12 GMT
#146
i just realized.. whoever gets 2nd in USA finals is really fucked T_T
hatred outlives the hateful
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
September 06 2007 16:28 GMT
#147
one good player one pretty good player + mediocrity
its no worse than any of the other groups without koreans.
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Coach
Profile Joined February 2007
United States191 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-06 16:58:07
September 06 2007 16:45 GMT
#148
WCG 2003 Grand Final
FisheYe > Silent_Control
potto_ph > H.O.T-Forever
6Club > H.O.T-Forever
HellGhost > ogogo

WCG 2004 Grand Final
Advokate > midas

WCG 2005 Grand Final
Testie > Silent_Control
ReasoN > Silent_Control
Blackman > fOru
SlaSh > fOru

WCG 2006 Grand Final
Draco > midas
Cobo > midas

so you guys are telling me all these are dropped games?
["Skill is earned by hardwork, not dreaming."]
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
September 06 2007 16:53 GMT
#149
If Advokate vs Midas was the TvT on Korhal, that was a dropped game. I believe it was 4 rax 1 base m/m, while just sitting in base, vs Advokate's actual real tech build of tanks and such. I dunno I didn't see the game, just word of mouth.
Because 2004 was the year no foreigner even took a single game off of a korean except my 1-2 vs Foru if I recall correctly.

Hellghost's vs Ogogo game was dropped as well.

None of my games were drops, because Control actually had to fight hard for 2nd place in that group and wanted 1st place to avoid xellos.

I don't know about potto or 6club.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
JoMal
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
September 06 2007 16:55 GMT
#150
I know midas didn't drop that Cobo game ! xD
Oh you mad cause i'm stylin on you
Sadness
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Brazil552 Posts
September 06 2007 16:57 GMT
#151
Nobody is saying ALL of the games were dropped
Some games obviously were not dropped games, the majority of them actually
But some WERE, and that´s a fact
mcmascote
Profile Joined September 2004
Brazil1575 Posts
September 06 2007 17:12 GMT
#152
On September 07 2007 01:57 Sadness wrote:
Nobody is saying ALL of the games were dropped
Some games obviously were not dropped games, the majority of them actually
But some WERE, and that´s a fact

so simple..

testie never said that ALL games were dropped..

dumb people..
The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.
Coach
Profile Joined February 2007
United States191 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-06 20:26:42
September 06 2007 17:29 GMT
#153
Note: This includes player statistics & placement from the past WCG (2002-2006) Grand Final.

WCG 2007 Grand Final Experienced Players
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Chuan Hai "Phoenix" Zhuang (Group H/1st, 5-0) (Round 8, 1-1)
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Nick "MYM.Testie" Perentesis (Group E/1st, 5-0) (Round 8, 1-1)
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Oleksiy "MYM.White-Ra" Krupnyk (Group E/2nd, 4-1) (Round 16, 0-1)
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Vakhtang "aFz)Ex" Zakiev (Group F/3rd, 3-2)
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Ha "ThuocLao" Le (Group A/4th, 1-4)
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Byron "SteelHeart" Bongon (Group H/5th, 1-4)

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Andrey "3D.Androide" Kukhianidze (Group D/2nd, 6-1) (Final/2nd, 3-1)
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Byron "SteelHeart" Bongon (Group A/5th, 2-5)
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Andrejs "uT)westside" Kalnins (Group A/5th, 2-5)
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Tomas "uT)Maix" Samol (Group H/6th, 1-5)

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Andrey "3D.Androide" Kukhianidze (Group H/1st, 4-0) (3rd place Match, 3-2)
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Nick "MYM.Testie" Perentesis (Group L/1st, 3-0) (Round 16, 1-1)
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Mauro "chivu" Castaneda (Group A/4th, 0-3)

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["Skill is earned by hardwork, not dreaming."]
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
September 06 2007 17:36 GMT
#154
The drawing system is stupid. And koreans have lost more games than these mentioned here. Out of my head I recall bykli beating eassay in 2002, Nazgul beating Gundam and Jesse beating Doggy in 2001. I believe that there are even more wins than that.
SchOOl_VicTIm
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Greece2394 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-06 17:59:31
September 06 2007 17:57 GMT
#155
On September 05 2007 17:50 Beamo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2007 16:49 littlechava wrote:
is this the first year greece has an sc wcg?


I may be wrong but I think Satanik was sent a few times.


no, this is the first time ever, there's a wcg for sc/bw in greece

go sata ^_^

On September 06 2007 02:57 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
and greece wont make it out of prelims >_<


seriously, who do u rate higher than sataNik there?
Kassios
Profile Joined May 2006
France1424 Posts
September 06 2007 19:39 GMT
#156
2002 : blackman > essay (who was he ?)
2003 : hellghost > kdk4321_kr
- Death is certain, life is not -
Musli
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Poland5130 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-06 19:47:39
September 06 2007 19:44 GMT
#157
On September 07 2007 04:39 Kassios wrote:
2002 : blackman > essay (who was he ?)
2003 : hellghost > kdk4321_kr

Essay aka Odyssay/ArtOfHan - http://teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/233_Oddysay ;-)
Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall || mail/msn: muslii@gmail.com
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
September 06 2007 19:44 GMT
#158
On September 07 2007 02:57 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2007 17:50 Beamo wrote:
On September 05 2007 16:49 littlechava wrote:
is this the first year greece has an sc wcg?


I may be wrong but I think Satanik was sent a few times.


no, this is the first time ever, there's a wcg for sc/bw in greece

go sata ^_^

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On September 06 2007 02:57 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
and greece wont make it out of prelims >_<


seriously, who do u rate higher than sataNik there?


Considering sata is dead inactive AND his worst mu has always been vs Z I would easily pick Break/Lowely over him and wouldnt feel too incredibly uncomfortable saying eddy will win him as well.
SchOOl_VicTIm
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Greece2394 Posts
September 06 2007 20:30 GMT
#159
sata is not dead inactive, just not in crazy mass gaming mode he gets in some periods. I guess he'll mass game before wcg however. on the other hand, he plays only for his personal enjoyment, never craving anything more, so I guess it's also a matter of mood for him too.
philsa
Profile Joined August 2007
United States196 Posts
September 06 2007 20:50 GMT
#160
I don't know but after looking at the Korean WCG ceremony, it is not outrageous to think that the Korean might drop a game this year if it help all 3 to advance. Those guys are on a mission. I remember that OGN caster was like "don't even think about coming back without the three medals guys!" Koreans can be extremely patriotic and often individual will sacrifice for the greater good. If coach says drop, anyone of the 3 will without a flinch, wil drop a game.
Coach
Profile Joined February 2007
United States191 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-06 22:33:48
September 06 2007 20:58 GMT
#161
+ Show Spoiler [WCG 2007 Italy National Finalist] +
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["Skill is earned by hardwork, not dreaming."]
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7239 Posts
September 06 2007 21:14 GMT
#162
On September 07 2007 01:45 Coach wrote:
WCG 2003 Grand Final
FisheYe > Silent_Control
potto_ph > H.O.T-Forever
6Club > H.O.T-Forever
HellGhost > ogogo

WCG 2004 Grand Final
Advokate > midas

WCG 2005 Grand Final
Testie > Silent_Control
ReasoN > Silent_Control
Blackman > fOru
SlaSh > fOru

WCG 2006 Grand Final
Draco > midas
Cobo > midas

so you guys are telling me all these are dropped games?



hellghost eliminated hot from the single elim.

I dont think he beat ogogo, dunno where anyone got that idea from (maybe 6club was hellghost?) HG beat him on Gorky for sure, and then I dont remember what other map he won on (maybe korhal or something)

How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Coach
Profile Joined February 2007
United States191 Posts
September 06 2007 23:02 GMT
#163
ToT) Please, invite Draco, Pj, & Phoenix to team. Thanks!
["Skill is earned by hardwork, not dreaming."]
ToT)MidiaN(
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
England2183 Posts
September 07 2007 00:05 GMT
#164
nothx
Nothing worth doing is devoid of risk
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
September 07 2007 09:04 GMT
#165
so is it true that lzgamer got auto placement cuz no one in his region showed up?
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
September 07 2007 09:04 GMT
#166
On September 07 2007 09:05 ToT)MidiaN( wrote:
nothx



hatred outlives the hateful
Kassios
Profile Joined May 2006
France1424 Posts
September 07 2007 09:54 GMT
#167
HG beat ogogo in the pool A match
- Death is certain, life is not -
mcmascote
Profile Joined September 2004
Brazil1575 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-08 05:01:50
September 08 2007 04:49 GMT
#168
On September 06 2007 04:38 Sadness wrote:
HellGhost vs Ogogo

ogogo: "You bunker me rush I gg ok?"
hg: "ok..."

actually he said "you BBS me..."

that was the first BO that I learned, haha.
I used to bbs everyone in every MU, back in the day ;p

The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.
mcmascote
Profile Joined September 2004
Brazil1575 Posts
September 08 2007 04:59 GMT
#169
On September 07 2007 06:14 Sadist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2007 01:45 Coach wrote:
WCG 2003 Grand Final
FisheYe > Silent_Control
potto_ph > H.O.T-Forever
6Club > H.O.T-Forever
HellGhost > ogogo

WCG 2004 Grand Final
Advokate > midas

WCG 2005 Grand Final
Testie > Silent_Control
ReasoN > Silent_Control
Blackman > fOru
SlaSh > fOru

WCG 2006 Grand Final
Draco > midas
Cobo > midas

so you guys are telling me all these are dropped games?



hellghost eliminated hot from the single elim.

I dont think he beat ogogo, dunno where anyone got that idea from (maybe 6club was hellghost?) HG beat him on Gorky for sure, and then I dont remember what other map he won on (maybe korhal or something)



he did beat ogogo at dahlia of jungle, IIRC.

hg @ 9h
ogogo @ 6h

ogogo opts to expand at his gas expo, that expo wasn't close to his main, so hg goes there with marines and scvs and Ogogo cancels it, after that he builds his 2nd hat at his ramp then hg and ogogo do "a micro battle". after few seconds hg gets his marine on ogogo's main, ogogo types out. gg.


ogogo vs hot second game was at chow chow(that was the first game that I saw dark swarm, looked so cool (btw, I started playing sc in the end of 2004 ;p), the other game I don't remember.
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
September 08 2007 05:15 GMT
#170
On September 07 2007 18:04 zulu_nation8 wrote:
so is it true that lzgamer got auto placement cuz no one in his region showed up?

he showed, no one else did
so ya he got the spot in usa finals
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gameguard
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Korea (South)2132 Posts
September 08 2007 05:36 GMT
#171
You kinda messed up on the korean names. The last name is Jin, Song, Ma. The nickname should go between the last name and first name. Like Ma "Savior" Jae Yoon, or Jae Yoon "Savior Ma.
Macak
Profile Joined April 2004
Canada57 Posts
September 08 2007 18:19 GMT
#172
Testie got the worst case scenario. The only way he could fail the prelim was to be with a korean+mondi. I still wish him the best.

What happens if 2 players want to drop games for not facing the kor ? =)

HeHeHe
LumberJack
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3355 Posts
September 08 2007 18:36 GMT
#173
looks like whoever gets group D for usa, might have a chance of making it out of the groups, gl to them
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MoNKeYSpanKeR
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2869 Posts
September 12 2007 18:33 GMT
#174
satanik is #1 for greece :D
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Macak
Profile Joined April 2004
Canada57 Posts
September 24 2007 02:17 GMT
#175
Update plz ^^
HeHeHe
Coach
Profile Joined February 2007
United States191 Posts
September 24 2007 04:51 GMT
#176
Updated. I'm going to bed. I'll add the races tomorrow. Good night!
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Beside_kr
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada902 Posts
September 24 2007 04:59 GMT
#177
hmm, anyone notice that Nyoken and iNc got switched, USA #1 was supposed to be in group D but either they listed Nyoken as #1 or it got officially switched.
Cuffs, cuffs, you can't break those cuffs
Darkmole
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States900 Posts
September 24 2007 05:17 GMT
#178
i feel sad for groups e f and h all the ppl are gonna get pwned by the koreans :D
Gerpu
Profile Joined August 2006
Croatia77 Posts
September 24 2007 10:38 GMT
#179
Notforu and F91 can't go coz of the visa problems
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
September 24 2007 10:55 GMT
#180
Reason and Chingiz will win group H, never heard of the other three.
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FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
September 24 2007 11:47 GMT
#181
On September 24 2007 19:55 Energies wrote:
Reason and Chingiz will win group H, never heard of the other three.


Indeed, I thought i was the only one. Who the is the that sAviOr guy ?
SonuvBob: Yes, the majority of TL is college-aged, and thus clearly stupid.
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
September 24 2007 12:14 GMT
#182
Pj got replaced by Legend in my group. I still don't understand if it's a good or a bad thing 0.0
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oneill
Profile Joined August 2004
Philippines278 Posts
September 24 2007 12:16 GMT
#183
H -- OMG I wanna see Testie out of the Group Stages....
HaiVan
Profile Joined April 2005
Bulgaria1698 Posts
September 24 2007 13:12 GMT
#184
On September 24 2007 21:14 iG.ClouD wrote:
Pj got replaced by Legend in my group. I still don't understand if it's a good or a bad thing 0.0


Pretty bad if you consider their respective form at the moment. LX just won PGL.
Listen to The Special One
linyu)wufan18
Profile Joined October 2002
1198 Posts
September 24 2007 14:13 GMT
#185
On September 24 2007 21:14 iG.ClouD wrote:
Pj got replaced by Legend in my group. I still don't understand if it's a good or a bad thing 0.0


Legend cant go WCG final for sure.
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PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
September 24 2007 14:36 GMT
#186
I thought USA 1 got the easier group..
wtf ?
Betrayal ?
poor incontrol.. if this this no mistake by the thread creator
hatred outlives the hateful
Beside_kr
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada902 Posts
September 24 2007 14:42 GMT
#187
it's what it says on the WCG page as well
Cuffs, cuffs, you can't break those cuffs
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
September 24 2007 14:54 GMT
#188
lol -,- wtf ? then losing on purpose the wcg usa final would have been better..
well what so ever gl incontrol lol - ,-
hatred outlives the hateful
Kassios
Profile Joined May 2006
France1424 Posts
September 24 2007 16:18 GMT
#189
I think there is a mistake between usa#1 and usa#2 no ?
It would be so cool if legend could go to wcg !!
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Coach
Profile Joined February 2007
United States191 Posts
September 24 2007 16:29 GMT
#190
On September 25 2007 01:18 Kassios wrote:
I think there is a mistake between usa#1 and usa#2 no ?
It would be so cool if legend could go to wcg !!


There are no mistakes. Check my source for Group Full League.

P.S. Please, tell me Trinidad & Tobago's Lloid "Archer" Assing main/best race. If anyone knows. Thanks!
["Skill is earned by hardwork, not dreaming."]
ViRii
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States826 Posts
September 24 2007 16:37 GMT
#191
Sorry Testie, you arent making it out of Groups.

Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8836 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-27 19:35:49
September 24 2007 16:37 GMT
#192
Predictions are useless, so here are mine ;-)

+ Show Spoiler [Groups] +

Group A:
1) Draco
2) MidiaN (wooo!)

Group B:
1) sataniK (why not?)
2) Breakdown

Group C:
I want to be wrong because I want iNcontroL to advance. Hopefully it *is* a mistake and he isn't put in this relatively tough group. Anyways...
1) Phoenix
2) Lamer

Group D:
I think the first two seeds should be an easy pick in this group, but the order in which they finish won't be. It could go either way.
1) Androide
2) Nyoken

Group E:
1) Hwasin
2) F91 (I don't know why, I guess experience counts for a lot, despite the fact I feel some players in this group are 'better')

Group F:
So which Korean will thrown a game? My guess would be Stork, as he should easily win vs. anyone in his group when he chooses to (no zergs). On the contrary, SaviOr should play to win in his group since it is so open to upsets. Hwasin should also throw games, but I think Stork will since doing so puts him in the best position bracket-wise. So...
1) White-Ra
2) Stork

Group G:
1) PJ
2) MoonZerg

Group H:
Mondragon could advance here too - but soooo much ZvZ =[
1) SaviOr
2) Testie


+ Show Spoiler [RO8] +

Stork > Draco

Testie > Phoenix

Hwasin > White-Ra

Savior > PJ


+ Show Spoiler [RO4] +

Stork > Testie

SaviOr > Hwasin


+ Show Spoiler [Finals] +

SaviOr > Stork

Hwasin > Testie
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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
September 24 2007 17:01 GMT
#193
Its single elim after group play afaik.

Its fine that my group is now uber hard... I wouldnt win a game unless I was the underdog Here we go again!
Q(-_-Q)
Profile Joined August 2007
United States348 Posts
September 24 2007 18:08 GMT
#194
gl guys.

go usa! 8)
SC2 = Alpha = End Balance Speculations?
Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8836 Posts
September 24 2007 20:40 GMT
#195
On September 25 2007 02:01 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Its single elim after group play afaik.

Its fine that my group is now uber hard... I wouldnt win a game unless I was the underdog Here we go again!


Nice.

I'm still rooting for iNc. NUMBER ONE INCONTROL FAN
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
September 24 2007 21:04 GMT
#196
You just CANT be happy to play in such a hard group. I mean seriously.. this is clearly the 2nd hardest group. No single weak player.. T_T
hatred outlives the hateful
Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5223 Posts
September 24 2007 21:14 GMT
#197
I don't think losing on purpose at the WCG USA finals just to be in an easier group is worth the amount of money Incontrol would have lost.
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greatmeh
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Canada1964 Posts
September 24 2007 21:24 GMT
#198
would be funny if the koreans decide to throw a game and then lose .. lol
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
September 24 2007 21:53 GMT
#199
That's not possible if you lose on purpose only the final game of the group
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JoMal
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-24 21:55:38
September 24 2007 21:54 GMT
#200
I'm form Trinidad and i've never even heard about Lloid Assing, wow ! Not that it'll matter anyway ;]
Oh you mad cause i'm stylin on you
Beside_kr
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada902 Posts
September 27 2007 01:32 GMT
#201
Does anyone know if JohnRambo got his Visa? I know that Malaysia is having a lot of trouble getting visas approved, FoRza (NFS), Si_Jali (FIFA) and PaulYan (Wc3) have all been rejected, plus somebody told me that all of the players have been rejected but that might be sensationalism.

That also goes for players like Thuocloa and ChingizKhan because both countries have had trouble in the past
Cuffs, cuffs, you can't break those cuffs
Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
September 27 2007 02:12 GMT
#202
On September 24 2007 20:47 FirstBorn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2007 19:55 Energies wrote:
Reason and Chingiz will win group H, never heard of the other three.


Indeed, I thought i was the only one. Who the is the that sAviOr guy ?


just some noobie from korea
^-^
skindzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
Chile5114 Posts
September 27 2007 06:06 GMT
#203
ChingizKhan Hwaiting!
Its not only the rain that brings the thunder
Storchen
Profile Joined September 2006
Sweden4385 Posts
September 28 2007 16:04 GMT
#204
wow these draws kinda sucks bigtime. all Z groups and all P groups (ye almost) Group H is insane.
Coach
Profile Joined February 2007
United States191 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-02 21:41:57
October 02 2007 19:42 GMT
#205
Updated added Teams+Race Legends. Also replaced Trinidad player.

anyone know
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Main/Best Race.
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atmablade
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States334 Posts
October 02 2007 19:44 GMT
#206
the COOCH!!!! lol
JoMal
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
October 02 2007 19:52 GMT
#207
Nope, i'll try to ask around though ... even though i've never heard about this guy.
Oh you mad cause i'm stylin on you
Months
Profile Joined July 2005
United States356 Posts
October 02 2007 20:12 GMT
#208
wow that kid has a sick name

james foo
aka jamel
BruceLeeToss
Profile Joined August 2006
United States154 Posts
October 04 2007 00:35 GMT
#209
Added F.F. results to Group C, E, & H.
["Skill is earned by hardwork, not dreaming."]
BruceLeeToss
Profile Joined August 2006
United States154 Posts
October 04 2007 23:26 GMT
#210
Updated the Groups Standings. Qualifiers are the following:
Group A
1st Draco
2nd xLo.SteelHeart
Group B
1st uT)eDDYiSrEADy
2nd xLo.sataNik
Group C
1st Phoenix66
2nd GoOdy
Group D
1st 3D.Androide
2nd jamesfoo
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ZidaneTribal
Profile Joined September 2007
United States2800 Posts
October 05 2007 00:30 GMT
#211
group h should be interesting..except for the fact that its a bunch of ZvZ..which i find kinda boring to watch
fuck lag
Darkmole
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States900 Posts
October 05 2007 02:15 GMT
#212
wow mae jae yoon has all Z in his braket and i hopefully that his zvz wont affect him
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
October 05 2007 02:47 GMT
#213
It'll be extremely hard to take mirror ZvZ away from Savior IMO because micro plays such a HUGE part in the matchup while "cheese" is much tougher to pull off in the matchup except for maybe a 5 pool.
Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
October 05 2007 04:03 GMT
#214
if Testie goes random, and randoms Z in all of his games, that group will be perfect
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bellsprout
Profile Joined June 2006
Australia219 Posts
October 05 2007 04:39 GMT
#215
liquibet these games or at least the important games from wcg?
thoraxe
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1449 Posts
October 05 2007 05:19 GMT
#216
omg did savior and hwasin already play? at what time?
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TeRRan`UseR
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada692 Posts
October 05 2007 05:43 GMT
#217
Canada only sent one player this year? :O Anywhere I can get info/reps of WCG Canada?
AKAs FreeloSS @USwest Freel0ss @Europe
PauL_JoneS
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States373 Posts
October 05 2007 06:18 GMT
#218
It's really cool that JohnRambo got to advance to the next round. I love watching his TvT's.
Kassios
Profile Joined May 2006
France1424 Posts
October 05 2007 09:42 GMT
#219
what the hell did nyoken do ?? sigh
anyway nice to see satanik advancing :p
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Coach
Profile Joined February 2007
United States191 Posts
October 05 2007 20:44 GMT
#220
Updated group standings, Hwasin advances to se tournament and takes 1st in his group.
sAviOr qualifies for se tournment, but it is not yet clear if hes 1st or 2nd in group.
["Skill is earned by hardwork, not dreaming."]
BruceLeeToss
Profile Joined August 2006
United States154 Posts
October 05 2007 23:10 GMT
#221
Updated groups standings once again, Dreiven advances to se tournament and takes 2nd in his group. Mondragon advances to se tour takes 1st, sAviOr takes 2nd. Pj advances to se tournament.
["Skill is earned by hardwork, not dreaming."]
Coach
Profile Joined February 2007
United States191 Posts
October 05 2007 23:48 GMT
#222
Updated once again, ClouD takes 1st in group advances to se tournament and Pj takes 2nd in his group.

White-Ra, Stork, & Ex are in a three way tie and will have to play each other once again to break the tie and then find out which top 2 will advance from their group.
["Skill is earned by hardwork, not dreaming."]
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
October 05 2007 23:54 GMT
#223
Awesome.
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Macak
Profile Joined April 2004
Canada57 Posts
October 06 2007 00:21 GMT
#224
Ra stork and ex will play tonight ?
HeHeHe
Coach
Profile Joined February 2007
United States191 Posts
October 06 2007 04:58 GMT
#225
tiebreakers finished Stork takes 1st and White-Ra takes 2nd they both advance to single elimination tournament.
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