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[ASL13] Ro8 Day 3
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BLinD-RawR
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angry_maia
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masoka82
Spain593 Posts
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TornadoSteve
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M3t4PhYzX
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Zariel
Australia1285 Posts
That game...JyJ vs ggaemo (pretty sure he was in Airforce Ace at the time), super tight proleague match that went down a base trade where JyJ had 1 Science Vessel that was needed to clear the lurkers but got sniped by scourge. That doom-zoom on JyJ's face and his "yikes" face is still imprinted in me. If I had to put an analogy for this, it would be tennis. Bisu is an older gen. multi champion, like Federer/Nadal, taking on a much younger adversary. | ||
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prosatan
Romania7774 Posts
Heart: Bisu ! | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44051 Posts
Head: JyJ | ||
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HOLYBATS
Turkey718 Posts
Protoss Fighting! | ||
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emperorchampion
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TMNT
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ASL needs to stop with these bullshit map pools. | ||
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Sirris
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Sirris
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On March 23 2022 19:03 TMNT wrote: Map pool is ridiculous for a PvT series. First three games are on Allegro, Eclipse and Monopoly. It's like Protoss and Terran are playing tennis and Terran gets to serve in game 1 and 3 while in game 2 players take turns to serve. The series may be over already before Protoss gets to serve in game 4 (Revolver). And in the case it's a tie at 2-2, Terran gets to serve on game 5 (Metaverse). ASL needs to stop with these bullshit map pools. I think you're overreacting a bit. The maps aren't that imbalanced. Just slight advantages. It's part of the game. Bisu even picked the 2nd map, he could've picked Revolver. If you don't like the map order so much...tell Bisu to advance first  | ||
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Sirris
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Sirris
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Sirris
681 Posts
Bisu with the absolute worst anti timing just now. Literally when JYJ should've been moving out to attack, Bisu for some reason attacks into him instead hmm... | ||
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Sirris
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staatbauhaus
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
those storm drops were comically bad | ||
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Sirris
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staatbauhaus
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Sirris
681 Posts
On March 23 2022 19:37 staatbauhaus wrote: Light was stating storm drops are hard to hit on that map if the enemy is at 5 oclock or 11. Where are you getting this?  Would much appreciate a link. Would love to see it or read it. Do you speak korean? I can see a little bit why they'd be harder to hit but not harder than several other maps. It's easier to run directly back from the natural towards the main of course(as opposed to the other positions where you have to go around the cc going north or south). But other maps are very similar as far as storm drops go. | ||
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staatbauhaus
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Zariel
Australia1285 Posts
Bisu on the other hand... playing PvT the same way he has as always except you can see that he aint anywhere near as quick compared to his younger kespa days. | ||
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Sirris
681 Posts
On March 23 2022 19:40 staatbauhaus wrote: He's streaming live here. https://play.afreecatv.com/scv6256/239662108 So you speak korean? That's very impressive. Thanks for the info | ||
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HOLYBATS
Turkey718 Posts
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Sirris
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staatbauhaus
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Sirris
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Sirris
681 Posts
On March 23 2022 19:48 Sirris wrote: Zealots could be tricky for JYJ They definitely were but he managed to recover with out huge damage. It was bad there. | ||
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staatbauhaus
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Sirris
681 Posts
game 2 is done | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
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TMNT
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Sirris
681 Posts
On March 23 2022 20:00 TMNT wrote: Bisu mechanics getting worse by the days. Even in that final attack which was just a formality, there was a group of Dragoon just sitting behind doing nothing. That's not very abnormal. In standard games its completely normal and wise because you need to react to possible vulture run bys. Maybe in this case it didn't make as much sense but it's not a lack of mechanics I'd say. Just habit. The dragoons won't make it to the attack point in time without giving terran more time to develope. | ||
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TMNT
2537 Posts
On March 23 2022 20:06 Sirris wrote: That's not very abnormal. In standard games its completely normal and wise because you need to react to possible vulture run bys. Maybe in this case it didn't make as much sense but it's not a lack of mechanics I'd say. Just habit. The dragoons won't make it to the attack point in time without giving terran more time to develope. No I was talking about the group of Dragoons sitting just behind where the attack was happening, not like they were sitting at home. It's like the 1a2a3a didn't work for group 3 or something. | ||
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Sirris
681 Posts
On March 23 2022 20:10 TMNT wrote: No I was talking about the group of Dragoons sitting just behind where the attack was happening, not like they were sitting at home. It's like the 1a2a3a didn't work for group 3 or something. Ah I see. | ||
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Sirris
681 Posts
Well JYJ is good. Actually did something. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49973 Posts
Poll: Recommend Bisu vs JyJ Set 1? Yes (9) If you have time (2) No (0) 11 total votes Your vote: Recommend Bisu vs JyJ Set 1? | ||
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Sirris
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Sirris
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Sirris
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TMNT
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Sirris
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emperorchampion
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Sirris
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 Moving out tanks with no vultures twice. | ||
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emperorchampion
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staatbauhaus
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TMNT
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On March 23 2022 20:26 Sirris wrote: That was really bad for JYJ he needed to move back. It wont matter though. Terran wins if he secures 4 bases, even 3, on this map. The high ground base is unbreakable. And the trade for Terran at those bottlenecks is just too good. | ||
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emperorchampion
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Sirris
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On March 23 2022 20:18 Sirris wrote: This will be a good game, mark my words | ||
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Katkishka
United States648 Posts
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Xeln4g4
Italy1208 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
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ggsimida
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TMNT
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On March 23 2022 20:39 ggsimida wrote: should have gone carrier no way to get any meaningful engagement as toss here otherwise Carrier doesn't work also because once Terran scans it, the push is too fast because of the distance. The only way for Protoss to win on this map is cheesing. I've seen many proleague games on this map and there is literally no good strategy for Protoss. Even the best players with Shuttle Templar play like Snow and Best can not do anything. | ||
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Xeln4g4
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emperorchampion
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BLinD-RawR
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Xeln4g4
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emperorchampion
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Sirris
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Seriously though really glad this series is going to a final game. Let's see if JYJ can handle the nerves. We know Bisu has before. | ||
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TMNT
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Sirris
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Sirris
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I really do think fast vultures with mines into quick 3 cc is best. | ||
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emperorchampion
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Sirris
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Looks like he's just gonna try to just outplay him straight up with no fast CC. I'm worried. | ||
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Sirris
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emperorchampion
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
KaPpa well played bisu; well played JYJ! | ||
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Sirris
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BLinD-RawR
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HOLYBATS
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Katkishka
United States648 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
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Zariel
Australia1285 Posts
Strange that when everything is on the line, he decides to pull out carriers | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
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Ridovon
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TMNT
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On March 23 2022 21:14 MaGic~PhiL wrote: 2 terran commentators whining about one bad terran map with metaverse KaPpa well played bisu; well played JYJ! Metaverse is not a bad Terran map in TvP. The only bad thing for Terran is storm drop behind the mineral line, but it's true for Vulture drop too. Other things are just like normal map, except that Protoss can't easily take as many bases as in the case of a standard map like Polypoid. Plus the many high grounds can only be good for Terran. It was just that luck was on Bisu side with the cross spawn 12 Nexus and scouting. | ||
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Sirris
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On March 23 2022 19:37 Sirris wrote: Bisu..I think you need to use Carriers | ||
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Sirris
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On March 23 2022 21:19 MaGic~PhiL wrote: I think it was mainly due to the map being a decent carrier map. not it being the decider.. True and also the huge lead he had. If he didn't have the large early lead it might have been a terrible choice. In this situation I think Carriers was the best way to ensure the win. | ||
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BulgarianToss
Bulgaria478 Posts
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TMNT
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4168 Posts
very happy for Bisu that he finally made top4 again  GG WP | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4168 Posts
On March 23 2022 20:46 TMNT wrote: Carrier doesn't work also because once Terran scans it, the push is too fast because of the distance. The only way for Protoss to win on this map is cheesing. I've seen many proleague games on this map and there is literally no good strategy for Protoss. Even the best players with Shuttle Templar play like Snow and Best can not do anything. PvZs on it are pretty cool though | ||
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iwanabana
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Soulforged
Latvia914 Posts
Just doesn't look like a contender this season. Happy for him, though. Hope he doesn't decide to stop practicing at all just because he has a seed now. | ||
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iwanabana
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DiMiaN
Finland299 Posts
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3329 Posts
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J. Corsair
United States470 Posts
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inflection
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On March 23 2022 22:40 TMNT wrote: Artosis gonna have a hard time hiding his inner rage when he casts this series. JYJ won all the macro games, while all Bisu wins came off some sort of Nexus first build, plus the no-skill DT and too-op Carrier. It would sound stupid if someone complained about a barracks expand or no-skill dropships resulting in free terran wins, right? Exactly. | ||
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Optimate
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19213 Posts
On March 24 2022 01:13 Bisu-Fan wrote: let's freaking go boys This guy gets it! | ||
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3329 Posts
long time no see <3 | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19213 Posts
<3! I've been sitting quietly at my desk chewing all my finger nails off. One more series win by Bisu and then we can start to remind people how obnoxious Bisu fans can be. | ||
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TornadoSteve
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oxKnu
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On March 24 2022 02:49 TornadoSteve wrote: Now that Bisu won against JyJ, I can see him advancing against Light... Umm...how does this work? lol Especially since Bisu barely won today. | ||
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3329 Posts
On March 24 2022 02:48 BisuDagger wrote: <3! I've been sitting quietly at my desk chewing all my finger nails off. One more series win by Bisu and then we can start to remind people how obnoxious Bisu fans can be. Yes, exactly I will crawl out of the woodwork every time Bisu wins :D | ||
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outscar
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He really got lucky with his 12 nexuses last games. Nevertheless Bisu is god! Well deserved. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19213 Posts
On March 24 2022 02:52 oxKnu wrote: Umm...how does this work? lol Especially since Bisu barely won today. Unless I'm overlooking a premier tournament, Flash is the only Terran to defeat Bisu in the round of 4 of a premier tournament. Wins include Nada, Oov, and Skyhigh. Bisu over performs in the matchup at this stage historically. | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On March 23 2022 22:40 TMNT wrote: Artosis gonna have a hard time hiding his inner rage when he casts this series. JYJ won all the macro games, while all Bisu wins came off some sort of Nexus first build, plus the no-skill DT and too-op Carrier. To be fair, that’s because jyj basically instantly tapped out in bisu’s maps while bisu played it out on jyj’s maps. | ||
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TheGreatOne
United States534 Posts
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TornadoSteve
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On March 24 2022 02:52 oxKnu wrote: Umm...how does this work? lol Especially since Bisu barely won today. Well are you saying that Light has a better TvsP than JyJ ? | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia12997 Posts
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Lazyer
United States341 Posts
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Terrorbladder
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RKC
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JyJ played exceptionally well. Top-notch vulture harass and defence against drops. Any top Protoss would've similarly been made to look 'sloppy'. My guess is only Rain could've played cleaner than Bisu this season. Yes, Bisu played below his KeSPA peak. But I don't think he played really that poorly considering the natural deterioration of mechanics that comes with age. Many other Protoss dragons put on far worse performances (mini, Best).., | ||
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oxKnu
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On March 24 2022 06:05 TornadoSteve wrote: Well are you saying that Light has a better TvsP than JyJ ? Easily. Light beats Snow, Mini, Best on the regular.. JyJ is fantastic and for sure the third best Terran in the world but Light is another level. Even after those bone-headed plays in his Ro8, Light is the top choice to win it all. Bisu has to improve his level if he is to advance to the finals. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
But it is all up to interpretation anyway obviously.. | ||
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LpTraxamillion
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On March 24 2022 02:53 outscar wrote: JyJ vulture harass was top notch, I haven't seen such good harass since FlaSh played. I can't believe Bisu let JyJ take 2 free bases on Monopoly when protoss had 2 extra bases, like why he didn't just recall on fresh 4th near main? The 2nd half of that game looked like Bisu was bleeding units. He really got lucky with his 12 nexuses last games. Nevertheless Bisu is god! Well deserved. He messed up his scout at 9oclock. After stopping the attack had he had an observer up there he would have seen JyJ going to establish the base and would have stopped it. He also could have broke JyJ's 2 o'clock base when he counterattacked but was extremely sloppy. Left all his goons attacking a floating building and had he had some zealots in that shuttle he would have easily killed the high ground tanks and maybe have even won the game | ||
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LpTraxamillion
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On March 24 2022 02:53 outscar wrote: JyJ vulture harass was top notch, I haven't seen such good harass since FlaSh played. I can't believe Bisu let JyJ take 2 free bases on Monopoly when protoss had 2 extra bases, like why he didn't just recall on fresh 4th near main? The 2nd half of that game looked like Bisu was bleeding units. He really got lucky with his 12 nexuses last games. Nevertheless Bisu is god! Well deserved. Game 4 wasn't a straight 12 nexus; looked like he was going for it but then at about 250 mins he threw down a gate. Good decision, saved him the expo and probably the game/series | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3344 Posts
On March 24 2022 02:53 outscar wrote: JyJ vulture harass was top notch, I haven't seen such good harass since FlaSh played. I can't believe Bisu let JyJ take 2 free bases on Monopoly when protoss had 2 extra bases, like why he didn't just recall on fresh 4th near main? The 2nd half of that game looked like Bisu was bleeding units. He really got lucky with his 12 nexuses last games. Nevertheless Bisu is god! Well deserved. I would even say it was almost fantasy-like play, which is very impressive to see from JyJ. Pleasant series | ||
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Sirris
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On March 24 2022 22:03 LpTraxamillion wrote: Game 4 wasn't a straight 12 nexus; looked like he was going for it but then at about 250 mins he threw down a gate. Good decision, saved him the expo and probably the game/series Not only that it won him the game most likely. JYJ clearly didn't expect to see those 2 zealots. | ||
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goody153
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Miragee
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On March 24 2022 19:00 oxKnu wrote: Easily. Light beats Snow, Mini, Best on the regular.. JyJ is fantastic and for sure the third best Terran in the world but Light is another level. Even after those bone-headed plays in his Ro8, Light is the top choice to win it all. Bisu has to improve his level if he is to advance to the finals. This tournament Jyj looked a lot more solid than Light tbh. | ||
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TMNT
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TMNT
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Yeah if you're really looking at this tournament alone Light doesn't look any more convincing than Bisu. He almost lost to Tyson in the first round ffs. Also lost to Bisu himself and Rain in straightforward manner, and just barely got past cheesy Mini. Then the series against Action in R8 is really questionable while we all know he should have steamrolled Action. That said the longer the series goes the better Light becomes so he could be a different beast in R4. Light got his reputation as the player no one wants to pick due to his extremely dominant UBE series where everyone has to play full 9 games. | ||
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NotoriousSCV
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Exciting times in BW in my opinion. Wish there was MSL and proleague to go along with ASL which is basically our OSL.Is a new generation of interest possible in BW as players burn out on other games? I believe it just has to be made fun enough for new people to play, 1v1 puts them off immensely It's good to see so many players, even Scan and Light, playing fastest, because anyone can join in and keep the games fun going, instead of just competition. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
His macro was good overall and I liked his different approach each game, but I was a bit disappointed at how slow his reactions were. He made some sloppy mistakes too, which is uncharacteristic for him though that may be partially due to how well JyJ's execution has been this series. While I think he has a shot to win this ASL, he better practice hard because his remaining 2 opponents will not make things easy for him. Congrats to Bisu! Hope JyJ manages to maintain his form for next season. I think he was definitely a championship contender with how solid he has been. On March 26 2022 06:51 Miragee wrote: Just watched the matches and it was a really good series. Although I have to say I find it amusing that Scan had to blame the map in the final match when the previous match was played on Monopoly, which gives literally 0 options to engage vs mech, lol. Even as a terran player, that Monopoly map is so so difficult for Protoss in PvT. Narrow paths, and easy enough for Terrans to take more bases with good building placement. I think JyJ demonstrated all this extremely well. Probably the thing that works in Protoss' advantage is how big the main is, so you have to decide where to place your turrets/mines against recall. | ||
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