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Demurity
United States424 Posts
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Demurity
United States424 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/GrvSo0E.png) lol, the irony | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On November 27 2017 03:31 Fujikura wrote: I think the league needs a neutral admin who's input will be 100% honored by the Host of the League. I appreciate what SK is doing by hosting a league, but bending rules to cater to you is a bit much. We really need someone neutral or teams playing vs SK will continuously have issues like this...PsyonicReaver you're our only hope! psyonic reaver tried his best but he failed and lost interest really fast, he also tried to do to much I knew that leauge was falling from day 1 sktl is doing the same thing but there alot more motivated and can learn from the formers mistakes like a sorter season since you know half the teams are going to disband anyway. I mean if literally anyone wanted to run a leauge im sure they would and many would follow. The fact is no one wants to do. I have seen leagues fall and rise over my 15 years of playing and theres a pretty simple formula I dont know why people try to devait from it. ITs called WGT Im sure 619 is somewhat melding the rules to his own will. but pushing for w.os is equally as gay Top teams should never try to w.o each other the rules are just there to kill off teams who cant even field a lineup. Like you always knew terror was coming you just wanted a free win. but I get it there is drama thats a whole other issue. admins shouldnt bring the drama its counter productive... This whole trend needs to stop tbh. Yes you need a couple admins to run a league but each team doesint need managers really. Were not pros were just players trying to have fun. You dont want the whole highlight of a red vs sk tourney being about 619 vs eywa its about the players | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On November 27 2017 12:34 sicklucker wrote: psyonic reaver tried his best but he failed and lost interest really fast, he also tried to do to much I knew that leauge was falling from day 1 sktl is doing the same thing but there alot more motivated and can learn from the formers mistakes like a sorter season since you know half the teams are going to disband anyway. I mean if literally anyone wanted to run a leauge im sure they would and many would follow. The fact is no one wants to do. I have seen leagues fall and rise over my 15 years of playing and theres a pretty simple formula I dont know why people try to devait from it. ITs called WGT Im sure 619 is somewhat melding the rules to his own will. but pushing for w.os is equally as gay Top teams should never try to w.o each other the rules are just there to kill off teams who cant even field a lineup. Like you always knew terror was coming you just wanted a free win. but I get it there is drama thats a whole other issue. admins shouldnt bring the drama its counter productive... This whole trend needs to stop tbh. Yes you need a couple admins to run a league but each team doesint need managers really. Were not pros were just players trying to have fun. You dont want the whole highlight of a red vs sk tourney being about 619 vs eywa its about the players There was a lot of wasted time in the clan war due to SK not having their players ready. To me, that's equally disrespectful as taking walkover (also, read my signature  ). That's kind of aside from the point.I don't see how using the two offenses you brought up are even remotely comparable... I mean, I hosted 4 seasons of Gambit cup, accounting for 6 round robins and 7 playoff brackets, never once did I ban someone for inquiring about the rules or suggesting they should be changed. The rules of Gambit's Cup have changed where needed, counter abuse measures were taken when it was requested in order to ensure that the league remained unbiased (You know how much drama there was to deal with when Plumbum and Pez were on me during Gambit Cup playoffs for alleged abuse by LRM?). - This SKTL drama is nothing. I should feel bad for 619 because his ego is so large, he's not willing to change anything from his creation until next season? It's frustrating to me when I see drama like this (and I know I'm at the center of it), where the whole situation can be fixed by spending an additional 1-2 hour on the rules to make them clear and complete. When a valid suggestion comes up, there's no need to get defensive... Obviously, if I didn't care about the league at all I wouldn't even make suggestions, I would argue them until I get tossed from the channel... The whole reason I have these debates over rules is because I think the players deserve the league to be the best that it can be, something that is impossible without some healthy debate. At this point, I'm not sure what can be done, because 619 doesn't agree with what you've posted here, he doesn't see himself as using the rules to his advantage. So if he doesn't see the problem, it's really hard to fix the problem. P.S. If you find out that a rule isn't what you want it to be, that's fine and it's okay to change it, but you can't apply the changed rule to the immediate situation. | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
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EndingLife
United States1600 Posts
On November 27 2017 13:27 SCC-Faust wrote: No one wants me to join their clan cause I fucking suck. Let's start a clan. The cheesy players that suck. Come up with a name and I'm in hahaha | ||
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oDieN[Siege]
United States2905 Posts
On November 03 2017 10:37 GoShox wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/423478-team-smi-gets-scammed damn, I remember this thread from back in the day LOL. This is golden. Anderson Barrett told me he was in the process of buying a new House and wanted me to move in with him. He even offered a member in Clan X17 a new gaming mouse/keyboard (which til' this day he still hasn't received it and claimed that he wasn't given a tracking #) Beware of AthenA On another note, I'm glad SK realized this and took the matters in their own hand before it got too out of hand. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
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Bonyth
Poland600 Posts
Add this rule from BWCL and we are good. Watching the clock as the 15 minute mark goes and 1 second later demanding a walkover because a player is on the wrong channel is wrong. | ||
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Demurity
United States424 Posts
On November 27 2017 14:20 EndingLife wrote: Let's start a clan. The cheesy players that suck. Come up with a name and I'm in hahaha I'm joining NaS, you interested? The spirit of the rules should be followed, rather than the wording. The administration is more interested in seeing all games played, rather than in clans trying their best to bend the rules in their favour, while trying to force their will over a clan. Consequently the most important rule is: Thou shall have fun and not spoil fun for others. Add this rule from BWCL and we are good. Watching the clock as the 15 minute mark goes and 1 second later demanding a walkover because a player is on the wrong channel is wrong. I understand the sentiment of: "Thou shall have fun and not spoil fun for others." I have a problem with conflating that idea with the idea of not giving walkovers. Because of the fact that there is a rule regarding this, the organization must have believed that the rule had a purpose upon creating said rule. It is only logical that if the rule was created, it must have been to deter people from forcing opponents to wait an indeterminable amount of time to get a member to play. This contradicts exactly what happened yesterday. Responsible players who appear on time should not be punished. The option of taking a walkover absolutely does not lie with the team that is irresponsible with time. I also wouldn't put it past 619 to tell SK members to always take the walkover on opponents, as that was exactly what he told us during PATL. | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On November 27 2017 21:58 Bonyth wrote: The spirit of the rules should be followed, rather than the wording. The administration is more interested in seeing all games played, rather than in clans trying their best to bend the rules in their favour, while trying to force their will over a clan. Consequently the most important rule is: Thou shall have fun and not spoil fun for others. Add this rule from BWCL and we are good. Watching the clock as the 15 minute mark goes and 1 second later demanding a walkover because a player is on the wrong channel is wrong. Your opinion on the matter is invalid given your lack of willingness to play a match ahead of time in the Gambit Cup Winner Bracket Final. You effectively excluded iFU's TrutaCz which was your right by the rules, but that doesn't follow your so-called philosophy of "spirit of the rules". Maybe your outlook on life has changed in the past two weeks though... Who am I to judge? The only situations in which rules are required are those that can be morally conflicting, thats why they are rules, it's an objective standpoint that not even the league organizer can overrule without a VERY good reason. | ||
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Bonyth
Poland600 Posts
On November 27 2017 23:57 Eywa- wrote: Your opinion on the matter is invalid given your lack of willingness to play a match ahead of time in the Gambit Cup Winner Bracket Final. You effectively excluded iFU's TrutaCz which was your right by the rules, but that doesn't follow your so-called philosophy of "spirit of the rules". Maybe your outlook on life has changed in the past two weeks though... Who am I to judge? Quotation from Netwars: "Jeszcze jedna ważna informacja. iFU poprosiło nas o zagranie pierwszego setu na Magrathea w innym terminie (dzisiaj cały dzień lub jutro do 15:00). Jeżeli komuś nie pasuje jutrzejszy termin, może podjąć rękawicę. Jeśli tak, to proszę tę osobę o wysłanie mi prywatnej wiadomości." U can do the google translating yourself or u can take my word for it, that I forwarded IFU's request to my team, however no one answered to that call. So please don't accuse anyone without any evidence. Or maybe that's what u do, being always on the offense, so people only defend from your accusations, therefore they look like the bad guys. Not to mention you told Sayle that "we didn't want to reschedule" which obviously isn't true, and from that point there was a talk about karma and how bad Netwars team is. The truth is, team Netwars barely had the players to play on a regular day but it was reverted to some negative shit. | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On November 28 2017 00:09 Bonyth wrote: Quotation from Netwars: "Jeszcze jedna ważna informacja. iFU poprosiło nas o zagranie pierwszego setu na Magrathea w innym terminie (dzisiaj cały dzień lub jutro do 15:00). Jeżeli komuś nie pasuje jutrzejszy termin, może podjąć rękawicę. Jeśli tak, to proszę tę osobę o wysłanie mi prywatnej wiadomości." U can do the google translating yourself or u can take my word for it, that I forwarded IFU's request to my team, however no one answered to that call. So please don't accuse anyone without any evidence. Or maybe that's what u do, being always on the offense, so people only defend from your accusations, therefore they look like the bad guys. I'm aware that you posted on Netwars. It's kind of like, when 619 asked for a pre-play in PATL, I posted in our team discord. I didn't actually try to get it done, but I posted all the same. All I'm saying is, if there was a forced pre-play policy (like there was in Gambit Cup Throwback), you would have pre-played the match. Would you not? | ||
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Bonyth
Poland600 Posts
On November 28 2017 00:19 Eywa- wrote: I'm aware that you posted on Netwars. It's kind of like, when 619 asked for a pre-play in PATL, I posted in our team discord. I didn't actually try to get it done, but I posted all the same. All I'm saying is, if there was a forced pre-play policy (like there was in Gambit Cup Throwback), you would have pre-played the match. Would you not? I don't know, I would still have to play the match before and in addition to that, I'd have to lead my own team the next day, which obviously is not good for me since I'd have to show up 2 times. Not to mention more technical stuff, that I simply didn't want to play on Magrathea. | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On November 28 2017 00:21 Bonyth wrote: I don't know, I would still have to play the match before and in addition to that, I'd have to lead my own team the next day, which obviously is not good for me since I'd have to show up 2 times. Exactly, You can argue your standpoint that you would have had to show up twice and it's SUPER inconvenient for you. And I can argue that TrutaCz deserved to play in that CW and that it's in good spirit to go out of your way to play 1 match. That's why we have rules. - Also, you never even proposed a different map. | ||
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Demurity
United States424 Posts
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
I'm not here to argue whether you're a good or a bad person and how that relates to Brood War. I'm specifically trying to get you to see the importance of rules and why "the spirit of play" doesn't constitute a rule. Each player has their own philosophy and their own things that they value in a league. If your predominant rule is "spirit of fair play", then you'll have problems more and more as the league goes on. It's the nature of the beast, if you want to avoid problems (which seems to be 619's goal), then you put in objective rules that everyone has to follow. | ||
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[SK]sLiMpoweR
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1171 Posts
We just want to have fun and enjoy starcraft. Without well-worded rules and well-designed format, this is impossible. Hence, team Psi decided to leave the league before it even began. I tried to give feedback, but the answer was that if we want to participate - we will... I believe that most of us (team leaders) have 10+ years of experience participating in leagues and matches and we can provide input worth hearing Well, I don't want me and my team to get involved in a shitstorm. Good luck with the struggle everyone. | ||
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