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[ASL2] Semifinals: Sea vs BeSt
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The_Red_Viper
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On January 15 2017 22:58 Foxxan wrote: From spectators view? What about from the players view? Those game are just crap to play. Well, don't disagree. But then players pick these buildorders to win, not to play entertaining games. So it doesn't matter so much to them if the game was a nice game to play. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
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Harem
United States11393 Posts
On January 16 2017 22:23 Qikz wrote: I'm cheering for Flash. TvT is the best matchup in the game. It's not even the best mirror matchup though. | ||
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Miragee
8658 Posts
On January 17 2017 02:33 Starlightsun wrote: Guys it wouldn't be TvT, it would be FvT. Big difference. Flash's TvT offline is pretty untested right now. His last big TvT was in the ASL last season and he lost 0-3 to Last. In his prime I also always had the feeling that TvT was the match-up where oponents had the best chance of winning. He played a very standard style. His TvT looked the most human out of all three match ups. | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
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Shinrei
United States241 Posts
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
On January 16 2017 15:33 RKC wrote: BeSt's mistake was trying to play 'risky' and 'gimmicky' too. It's just not his style, and played against his strengths and towards Sea's advantage. (In SC2 terms, it's like trying to out-trick the trickster god sOs himself - not a very wise move in a long series.) Exactly, in my oppinion Sea cant endure at Best pace in straight macro game, we saw that in game 3. And BeSt beat himself with that strange play he picked. A tournament of dissapointments indeed. | ||
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Miragee
8658 Posts
On January 17 2017 03:27 _Animus_ wrote: Exactly, in my oppinion Sea cant endure at Best pace in straight macro game, we saw that in game 3. And BeSt beat himself with that strange play he picked. A tournament of dissapointments indeed. What, game 3 ist the worst example because Sea went for a 2 fac push and did exactly 0 damage... The only reason it wasn't a complete roll-over was because Sea's greedy play was off the charts and Best let him do his thing. On January 17 2017 02:49 corumjhaelen wrote: Nah, in his prime, Flash's TvT was beyond ridiculous. 22 win streak, and it made absolutely no sense how he would come back from behind in some of those matches. I think it was actually his strongest match-up. Yeah, I might remember that the wrong way. It might have been a little later when Flash started to drop TvTs to nobodies. For example his infamous group stage drop out, losing to Ssak and Classic. | ||
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Me_ToKa
Bulgaria309 Posts
Sea leaving the studio: Starts at 1:39 | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12032 Posts
On January 17 2017 02:33 Starlightsun wrote: Guys it wouldn't be TvT, it would be FvT. Big difference. I miss FvF(vF) Flash vs FanTaSy and Flash vs Firebathero were honestly the games that kept me watching Broodwar over and over again. The TvTs they had were outstanding. | ||
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RPGabe
United States192 Posts
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jonich0n
United States1982 Posts
gawd I'm so happy BW is back in such a big way. this is all way too awesome. | ||
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
On January 17 2017 03:55 Miragee wrote: What, game 3 ist the worst example because Sea went for a 2 fac push and did exactly 0 damage... The only reason it wasn't a complete roll-over was because Sea's greedy play was off the charts and Best let him do his thing. Yeah, I might remember that the wrong way. It might have been a little later when Flash started to drop TvTs to nobodies. For example his infamous group stage drop out, losing to Ssak and Classic. Can you remember off the top of your head another example of Flash dropping TvT to mediocre players? Or did one bad day of two games total lead to your opinion? I'm not saying this to accuse. Genuinely curious how you got to this impression. Flash was so good at TvT for the last three years of his career that even with "slumps" by his standards, he ended BW with the highest vs T ELO out of any player at the time (live ELO, not peak ELO, and not just TvT, any matchup vT). This is even in spite of the 3-0 loss to Fantasy only a month or so before the end of pro BW, and losing 5 of his last 6 TvT. | ||
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Probemicro
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he would have won. easily. | ||
GTR
51586 Posts
On January 17 2017 09:15 darktreb wrote: Can you remember off the top of your head another example of Flash dropping TvT to mediocre players? Or did one bad day of two games total lead to your opinion? I'm not saying this to accuse. Genuinely curious how you got to this impression. Flash was so good at TvT for the last three years of his career that even with "slumps" by his standards, he ended BW with the highest vs T ELO out of any player at the time (live ELO, not peak ELO, and not just TvT, any matchup vT). This is even in spite of the 3-0 loss to Fantasy only a month or so before the end of pro BW, and losing 5 of his last 6 TvT. when flash's tvt win streak of 22 games was broken, i don't think many people expected sea.really to be the one to break it. | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
Stork vs BBS Stork's micro and crisis management is terrifying. | ||
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Jealous
10314 Posts
Really hoping for no TvT finals T_T I feel like it would kind of kill the energy of ASL for me. Prior to this result I would have ranked the potential semis in terms of personal interest as: 1. Best vs. Flash 2. Best vs. Jaedong 3. Sea vs. Jaedong 4. Sea vs. Flash And I'm sure I'm not the only one. Feels bad to be deprived of a Best vs. Flash finals ): | ||
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
On January 17 2017 12:18 GTR wrote: when flash's tvt win streak of 22 games was broken, i don't think many people expected sea.really to be the one to break it. I agree there were plenty of cases. No one only loses in their matchup to "expected" players, though I agree that Really was extra surprising as he wasn't even considered strong at TvT like Skyhigh or Last. Was just curious about this particular poster's reason for the memory. | ||
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