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Dante08
Singapore4189 Posts
On January 15 2017 21:20 Elyvilon wrote: to be fair, I doubt best was even thinking about bbs because who the fuck goes bbs ever at the pro level Still he should havd scouted I really don't get why pros dont scout sometimes. Sure you lose abit of economy but the information you get is much more worth it. | ||
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TT1
Canada10090 Posts
On January 15 2017 21:42 Broodwar4lyf wrote: Can we please go back how terrible BEST played game 1 4 and 5? lol ?? game 5 was a b.o loss, game 4 he tried to be cute with a carrier switch after he won 2 straight up games and fell flat on his face | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10568 Posts
On January 15 2017 21:42 Broodwar4lyf wrote: Can we please go back how terrible BEST played game 1 4 and 5? lol yeah game 1 was a misplay with failing to block the choke and letting vultures end him. game 4 was just... ugh. he should have won that game so easily, how do you lose 5 base vs 3 base as protoss on demian? oh, by going carriers, losing your entire ground army to a recall and not even remacroing it, then not doing anything with those carriers. game 5 was just the bbs. it wasnt him playing bad, it was just bad luck he chose that build and lacked scouting. | ||
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Vuk_91
Serbia1690 Posts
On January 15 2017 21:42 Dante08 wrote: Still he should havd scouted I really don't get why pros dont scout sometimes. Sure you lose abit of economy but the information you get is much more worth it. He thought that his 2 gates are safe vs anything, and he didn't need to attack early so there was no point to scout.. | ||
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L1ghtning
Sweden353 Posts
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
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TT1
Canada10090 Posts
On January 15 2017 21:42 Dante08 wrote: Still he should havd scouted I really don't get why pros dont scout sometimes. Sure you lose abit of economy but the information you get is much more worth it. He cant scout AND go proxy citadel with 10/15, he loses too much eco and it slows down his build too much. Sending a probe out to scout and a 2nd probe to proxy a citadel is just too much eco lost when ur going for a tight build like 10/15 and have to probe cut. If he wanted to scout he would have gone for 1g zeal/goon etc., a standard opener. | ||
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Esp1noza
Russian Federation481 Posts
It did almost nothing though. Best rushes - died in 7 mins. Sea rushes - win in 3 mins. Best should go for longer games, playing safe at start. | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
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TT1
Canada10090 Posts
On January 15 2017 21:49 Hall0wed wrote: Does anyone have an example or 2 of Protoss pros holding BBS? I am intrigued and wondering how it looks. you make a zealot and attack with probes to stop them from getting a bunk up, until u get a goon out | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4189 Posts
On January 15 2017 21:44 Vuk_91 wrote: He thought that his 2 gates are safe vs anything, and he didn't need to attack early so there was no point to scout.. Well to be fair Sea took a huge risk by using the most unexpected build and got rewarded for it. But I disagree that there's no point to scout, if T goes something like 1 rax FE you're just letting him get the nat up for free. | ||
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TT1
Canada10090 Posts
On January 15 2017 21:50 Dante08 wrote: Well to be fair Sea took a huge risk by using the most unexpected build and got rewarded for it. But I disagree that there's no point to scout, if T goes something like 1 rax FE you're just letting him get the nat up for free. You cant do anything to punish cc first (dont think many ppl go 1rax fe in pvt) unless u go proxy gate, thats why he opened up with it in g1 (i didnt watch g1 but i read that he did, which makes sense). He basically wanted to tell him "hey you better not play greedy and cc first against me if you dont want a b.o loss". | ||
GTR
51698 Posts
On January 15 2017 21:49 Hall0wed wrote: Does anyone have an example or 2 of Protoss pros holding BBS? I am intrigued and wondering how it looks. the classic | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10568 Posts
never forget 34 kill goon. may you rest in auir. amen. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19391 Posts
On January 15 2017 21:53 TT1 wrote: You cant do anything to punish cc first (dont think many ppl go 1rax fe in pvt) unless u go proxy gate, thats why he opened up with it in g1 (i didnt watch g1 but i read that he did, which makes sense). He basically wanted to tell him "hey you better not play greedy and cc first against me if you dont want a b.o loss". 2013-2015 1rax FE was way more common then even FD, but so was Fighting Spirit. For many years 1gate expand without building a zealot was really common too. Only recently have we seen Protoss player build that first zealot. Generally gate->nexus->goon has been the goto as you can save 100 wasted minerals on a useless zealot for a better economy. | ||
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DarkNetHunter
1224 Posts
On January 15 2017 21:12 TT1 wrote: Weaker player won.. now we have to watch a TvT finals, puke. The stronger player won, or is winning not how you determine who the stronger player is? (facepalm) On January 15 2017 21:53 TT1 wrote: You cant do anything to punish cc first (dont think many ppl go 1rax fe in pvt) unless u go proxy gate, thats why he opened up with it in g1 (i didnt watch g1 but i read that he did, which makes sense). He basically wanted to tell him "hey you better not play greedy and cc first against me if you dont want a b.o loss". You pretty much NEVER see CC first at pro level TvP because 1 zeal completely destroys it, you almost ALWAYS see rax-CC gasless expand. He opened proxy gate (game1) vs it because rax-cc is common on EotS and proxygate punishes it if microed well. Sea however went for standard 11/11 FD so BeSt got fucked. Game 5 he was expecting rax-cc again and 10/15 would have high chance of killing terran there. Not to mention 10/15 is always a very strong build on non-ramped maps, so Sea really just mind gamed him here | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4189 Posts
On January 15 2017 21:53 TT1 wrote: You cant do anything to punish cc first (dont think many ppl go 1rax fe in pvt) unless u go proxy gate, thats why he opened up with it in g1 (i didnt watch g1 but i read that he did, which makes sense). He basically wanted to tell him "hey you better not play greedy and cc first against me if you dont want a b.o loss". Well in any case it was poor build choice by Best who should have just played standard 1 gate expand and get it to late game. And as some people have pointed out earlier he even skipped unit production until he saw the rush coming. | ||
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Miragee
8709 Posts
On January 15 2017 22:15 DarkNetHunter wrote: The stronger player won, or is winning not how you determine who the stronger player is? (facepalm) No, this is a logical fallacy. It's not always the better player who wins. That's why we have "upsets", especially in Bo1 and Bo3/Bo5 _increases_ the chance of the better player winning. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
Holy shit! What an epic game! Had me hanging at the edge of my seat the whole time! Really thought Protoss would've died to the cheese. So surreal, almost seemed like an action movie, the suspense building up every little second. What a hero dragoon! He deserves a Fenix / Tassadar medal! Who were the players? | ||
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
On January 15 2017 22:27 RKC wrote: Holy shit! What an epic game! Had me hanging at the edge of my seat the whole time! Really thought Protoss would've died to the cheese. So surreal, almost seemed like an action movie, the suspense building up every little second. What a hero dragoon! He deserves a Fenix / Tassadar medal! Who were the players? Light vs Tempest | ||
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