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[ASL2] Semifinals: Sea vs BeSt - Page 26

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Vuk_91
Profile Joined September 2010
Serbia1690 Posts
January 15 2017 16:22 GMT
#501
Flash would have stomped Best if they played in a final so hard... Sea has an awful army control when he gets above 150 supply, no mines, bad science vessel play. I seriously think that Sea has a better chance than Best, at least vs Flash. Against JD, Best would have been a tougher opponent.
Hildegard
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Germany348 Posts
January 15 2017 16:57 GMT
#502
On January 15 2017 23:46 bot0004 wrote:
Is there any link to re-watch the matches? I tried the live streams but they all ended


http://afreeca.tv/36833823/v/57587

afreeca.tv is a weird page. There is a live archive here: http://vod.afreeca.tv/ but it shows all vods and I couldn't find a place to only view the vods of a specific channel. Hopefully I missed something and there is a better way than browsing the live archive.
tl.net humour: https://www.kurtvonmeier.com/blog-1/2018/1/14/on-audio-alan-watts-and-g-spencer-brown-discuss-laws-of-form
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
January 15 2017 17:09 GMT
#503
On January 16 2017 00:13 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2017 23:50 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
That game four was a strategic(!) masterpiece from Best. Hiding the fast expansion, tricking Sea into thinking he has to defend vs dts or reaver. BeSt's idea was amazing.

He was ahead. Easily.

I dont know what happened. Carriers was an odd choice. His control was not worthy of a pro gamer at times.

I really hoped Best would win because a possible TvT final would be really sad for me. I dont enjoy TvT in particular..
Best vs Jeadong Best vs Flash would both have been amazing.

Now i really hope Jeadon upsets Flash and we see a TvZ =)


It was great mind-gaming by Best with the ninja expo. I think he got too cocky and went for carriers to end the game in a flourish.

What surprised was the sudden mass of goliaths from Sea. The observer didn't really catch when exactly he first started pumping them (they just suddenly joined the tank-vulture push midway, from what I saw). Maybe they were well-hidden. Which meant that Sea counter-mind-gamed Best towards the end. And that pulled him the win. If that was what happened, great recovery from Sea!


Maybe sea sensed that Carriers are coming, because Best didn't have that much of a ground army.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-15 17:14:57
January 15 2017 17:14 GMT
#504
Jeez, Sea had seen the carriers or anticipated, it was a wrong decision from Best who maybe felt too cocky after ninja expo was not found.
But in his defense, I think only Flash can stand against Best in straight up macro game. Unfortunately, it is not enough to become the finalist.
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-15 17:25:01
January 15 2017 17:24 GMT
#505
On January 16 2017 02:09 duke91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2017 00:13 RKC wrote:
On January 15 2017 23:50 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
That game four was a strategic(!) masterpiece from Best. Hiding the fast expansion, tricking Sea into thinking he has to defend vs dts or reaver. BeSt's idea was amazing.

He was ahead. Easily.

I dont know what happened. Carriers was an odd choice. His control was not worthy of a pro gamer at times.

I really hoped Best would win because a possible TvT final would be really sad for me. I dont enjoy TvT in particular..
Best vs Jeadong Best vs Flash would both have been amazing.

Now i really hope Jeadon upsets Flash and we see a TvZ =)


It was great mind-gaming by Best with the ninja expo. I think he got too cocky and went for carriers to end the game in a flourish.

What surprised was the sudden mass of goliaths from Sea. The observer didn't really catch when exactly he first started pumping them (they just suddenly joined the tank-vulture push midway, from what I saw). Maybe they were well-hidden. Which meant that Sea counter-mind-gamed Best towards the end. And that pulled him the win. If that was what happened, great recovery from Sea!


Maybe sea sensed that Carriers are coming, because Best didn't have that much of a ground army.

mostly likely he scanned the carriers, scanned the semi-hidden stargates + beacon, or had a scan that included the core and went "hmm that's weird why is this thing spinning"
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bot0004
Profile Joined January 2017
2 Posts
January 15 2017 17:34 GMT
#506
On January 16 2017 01:57 Hildegard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2017 23:46 bot0004 wrote:
Is there any link to re-watch the matches? I tried the live streams but they all ended


http://afreeca.tv/36833823/v/57587

afreeca.tv is a weird page. There is a live archive here: http://vod.afreeca.tv/ but it shows all vods and I couldn't find a place to only view the vods of a specific channel. Hopefully I missed something and there is a better way than browsing the live archive.


Thank you!!!!
Shinrei
Profile Joined February 2007
United States241 Posts
January 15 2017 17:40 GMT
#507
Holy crap I am really shocked and pleasantly surprised by this outcome. YUM BO SUUUNGG
=^.^=
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-15 17:58:39
January 15 2017 17:57 GMT
#508
On January 15 2017 23:46 bot0004 wrote:
Is there any link to re-watch the matches? I tried the live streams but they all ended


This is the best you can find! No lag. Oh it's posted above. This link is for Tastosis then:
http://afreeca.tv/36855042/v/57590
sunbeams are never made like me...
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
January 15 2017 18:38 GMT
#509
On January 15 2017 21:44 FlaShFTW wrote:
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On January 15 2017 21:42 Broodwar4lyf wrote:
Can we please go back how terrible BEST played game 1 4 and 5? lol

yeah game 1 was a misplay with failing to block the choke and letting vultures end him.

game 4 was just... ugh. he should have won that game so easily, how do you lose 5 base vs 3 base as protoss on demian? oh, by going carriers, losing your entire ground army to a recall and not even remacroing it, then not doing anything with those carriers.

game 5 was just the bbs. it wasnt him playing bad, it was just bad luck he chose that build and lacked scouting.


not scouting and not building any zealots/dragoons until your opponent has an army in your base is pretty bad. A bit more than just bad luck.
Me_ToKa
Profile Joined September 2009
Bulgaria309 Posts
January 15 2017 18:43 GMT
#510
This is how I imagine Sea leaving the studio:
+ Show Spoiler +
Starts at 1:39


Sorry I don't have .gif
Barneyk
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden310 Posts
January 15 2017 18:53 GMT
#511
I feel like Best really messed up letting Sea get 3-4 carrier kills for free.

He didn't expect Sea to chase after him so he just kept them where he thought they were safe and that cost him the game.

I think going Carriers was fine, he was so far ahead economically he could abuse it.

Once he lost the critical mass of carriers he was just completely unable to do anything and Sea played aggressively and exploited it.

And game 1 was nice, the vulture runby timing of Sea was beautiful.

I feel like Best was on another level and ahead of Sea for the most part and as a huge Best fan it hurts like hell to see him go out like this. But at the same time, I really like Sea and I am happy for him.

He exploited a mistake by Best very well in game 4 and went for balls cheese in game 5, fantastic series all around.

And I get a bit annoyed with people who says cheese isn't fun, if you just play standard every game, what is the fun in that?

Bests tech fake out in game 4 was amazing to see and the potential for cheese is what makes things exciting in the early game.
nah
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-16 04:31:41
January 15 2017 19:04 GMT
#512


They are so cute together.
Zera
Profile Joined April 2010
Lithuania716 Posts
January 15 2017 19:06 GMT
#513
On January 16 2017 00:13 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2017 23:50 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
That game four was a strategic(!) masterpiece from Best. Hiding the fast expansion, tricking Sea into thinking he has to defend vs dts or reaver. BeSt's idea was amazing.

He was ahead. Easily.

I dont know what happened. Carriers was an odd choice. His control was not worthy of a pro gamer at times.

I really hoped Best would win because a possible TvT final would be really sad for me. I dont enjoy TvT in particular..
Best vs Jeadong Best vs Flash would both have been amazing.

Now i really hope Jeadon upsets Flash and we see a TvZ =)


It was great mind-gaming by Best with the ninja expo. I think he got too cocky and went for carriers to end the game in a flourish.

What surprised was the sudden mass of goliaths from Sea. The observer didn't really catch when exactly he first started pumping them (they just suddenly joined the tank-vulture push midway, from what I saw). Maybe they were well-hidden. Which meant that Sea counter-mind-gamed Best towards the end. And that pulled him the win. If that was what happened, great recovery from Sea!


Observer did catch the machine shop spining (goliath range upgrade) so probably at that moment Sea started building goliaths
JD fanboy. #FPPS
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
January 15 2017 19:21 GMT
#514
On January 16 2017 03:38 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2017 21:44 FlaShFTW wrote:
On January 15 2017 21:42 Broodwar4lyf wrote:
Can we please go back how terrible BEST played game 1 4 and 5? lol

yeah game 1 was a misplay with failing to block the choke and letting vultures end him.

game 4 was just... ugh. he should have won that game so easily, how do you lose 5 base vs 3 base as protoss on demian? oh, by going carriers, losing your entire ground army to a recall and not even remacroing it, then not doing anything with those carriers.

game 5 was just the bbs. it wasnt him playing bad, it was just bad luck he chose that build and lacked scouting.


not scouting and not building any zealots/dragoons until your opponent has an army in your base is pretty bad. A bit more than just bad luck.

his scout probably would have found Sea's base around the time the marines arrived anyway, that's the timing BBS is intended to hit
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lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
January 15 2017 20:27 GMT
#515
Man, what's up with Afreeca not having an option to change the bitrate? I have thirdworld internet and can't stream the default 500kB/s or whatever. I usually watch the VODs on YouTube but the one they uploaded is broken with massive segments missing. Anyone have a VOD with a changeable bitrate?
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
January 15 2017 20:31 GMT
#516
Here is the VOD with the first-person views.

http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/17300413
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
January 15 2017 21:07 GMT
#517
What an amazing match.

I was watching Firebathero call the series and it's super great how insightful his stuff is. FUCK YEAH YUM BO SUNG!
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-15 21:08:42
January 15 2017 21:08 GMT
#518
+ Show Spoiler +
*Slits Wrists*
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
January 15 2017 21:09 GMT
#519
Wow that was a surprise ending. Best seemed really confused as to what has plan was in games 4 and 5. I think without that pointless recall into the main he could have just rolled Sea with his ground army and carriers. Then game 5 I don't know what he was doing with proxy pylon, no scout, no units.
Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
January 15 2017 21:13 GMT
#520
People are really under estimating Sea, he was a total beast in proleague and towards the end he was quickly becoming one of the best terrans on the scene. There are players that made the decision to focus on PL at the expense of individual leagues and people often overlook them. It was a long time ago but remember that the individual league stars often slumped in PL when they had to sacrifice their prep time to prepare their individual games.
Kim Tae Gyun.... never forget Perfectman RIP
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