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[ASL2] Semifinals: Sea vs BeSt - Page 28

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Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
January 16 2017 06:32 GMT
#541
I knew ma boy Sea could pull it off!
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-16 06:39:15
January 16 2017 06:33 GMT
#542
Sea's plays were rather 'risky' and 'gimmicky' - not just with the cheese in G5, but with his sharp timings (daring vulture run-by, 2-fac push, etc.). And I don't mean it in a bad way, but actually as a compliment of how well he played to his strengths and awareness that playing straight-up against a macro machine like BeSt puts him at a disadvantage.

BeSt's mistake was trying to play 'risky' and 'gimmicky' too. It's just not his style, and played against his strengths and towards Sea's advantage. (In SC2 terms, it's like trying to out-trick the trickster god sOs himself - not a very wise move in a long series.)

So yes, on a strategic-level, Sea was the superior player. And his execution was better since he was playing a strategy that suited him well (whilst BeSt executed poorly because he was trying out a strategy he wasn't comfortable with).
gg no re thx
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-16 06:38:51
January 16 2017 06:38 GMT
#543
sorry double post
gg no re thx
Ghost151
Profile Joined May 2008
United States290 Posts
January 16 2017 09:37 GMT
#544
On January 15 2017 22:01 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2017 21:49 Hall0wed wrote:
Does anyone have an example or 2 of Protoss pros holding BBS? I am intrigued and wondering how it looks.


the classic

omg what a choke from Light. 4 probes left. Goes for the Dragoon with the shield battery. *facepalm* Not that he didn't already screw up a couple times already by that point, but still, that was especially cringeworthy.
fuck art its a competition if you dont get pissed off when you lose you dont care enough - Idra, on the "art" of RTS games.
DracoMortuiVolantus
Profile Joined October 2016
68 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-16 11:19:08
January 16 2017 11:18 GMT
#545
i posted this in wrong thread before

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DracoMortuiVolantus
Profile Joined October 2016
68 Posts
January 16 2017 11:22 GMT
#546
it is not the first time we see best stumble in BoX, he is mentally not well prepared, he don't lack in any other field, his own decision to go for carriers on map You should not go carriers was what killed him not Sea, because he lost two games to bbs and vulture sneaking and won two games in AMAZING fashion, he was overall much better player, but as I said already he cracked mentally. Good series nevertheless.
RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
January 16 2017 12:03 GMT
#547
On January 16 2017 20:22 DracoMortuiVolantus wrote:
it is not the first time we see best stumble in BoX, he is mentally not well prepared, he don't lack in any other field, his own decision to go for carriers on map You should not go carriers was what killed him not Sea, because he lost two games to bbs and vulture sneaking and won two games in AMAZING fashion, he was overall much better player, but as I said already he cracked mentally. Good series nevertheless.

How can he be a better player if me made big mistakes and "cracked mentally"? That to me is a sign of a weaker player. Mechanics alone is not what will win you tournaments on the pro level.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
January 16 2017 12:39 GMT
#548
Now it's up to JD, i really don't wanna watch a TvT finals, that would be so meh :/
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Xeln4g4
Profile Joined January 2005
Italy1209 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-16 12:59:16
January 16 2017 12:58 GMT
#549
All of us cheering for Jae tomorrow, TvT final would be really sad :/
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8638 Posts
January 16 2017 13:00 GMT
#550
I'm cheering for Jaedong tomorrow because he is my favourite player of all time not because I'm afraid of a potential TvT final...
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12025 Posts
January 16 2017 13:23 GMT
#551
On January 16 2017 21:58 Xeln4g4 wrote:
All of us cheering for Jae tomorrow, TvT final would be really sad :/


I'm cheering for Flash.

TvT is the best matchup in the game.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
January 16 2017 13:40 GMT
#552
On January 16 2017 22:00 Miragee wrote:
I'm cheering for Jaedong tomorrow because he is my favourite player of all time not because I'm afraid of a potential TvT final...

Well i am cheering for JD for the same reason, but i really don't want a TvT finals either haha
Not that TvT cannot be interesting/fun to watch, but TvZ is simply way better imo.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
DracoMortuiVolantus
Profile Joined October 2016
68 Posts
January 16 2017 14:04 GMT
#553
TvZ is heart and soul of broodwar since BoXer vs Yell0w rivalry.

How come You have never encountered game in any sport/esport that in Your feeling loosing team/player was better?
it happens from time to time and it happened yesterday.
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
January 16 2017 15:33 GMT
#554
On January 16 2017 21:03 RoomOfMush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2017 20:22 DracoMortuiVolantus wrote:
it is not the first time we see best stumble in BoX, he is mentally not well prepared, he don't lack in any other field, his own decision to go for carriers on map You should not go carriers was what killed him not Sea, because he lost two games to bbs and vulture sneaking and won two games in AMAZING fashion, he was overall much better player, but as I said already he cracked mentally. Good series nevertheless.

How can he be a better player if me made big mistakes and "cracked mentally"? That to me is a sign of a weaker player. Mechanics alone is not what will win you tournaments on the pro level.

that's also why Pj was a better player than SAviOr and iloveoov right?
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
January 16 2017 16:14 GMT
#555
Also if somebody with html rights is online, a thread for tomorrow would be nice
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
January 16 2017 16:38 GMT
#556
On January 15 2017 22:58 Foxxan wrote:
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On January 15 2017 21:10 Cele wrote:
srsly, not even taking into account who you are rooting for, that game 5 was uninspiring and boring. Well executed by Sea, but from a spectators PoV... meh.

From spectators view?
What about from the players view? Those game are just crap to play.


Well, don't disagree. But then players pick these buildorders to win, not to play entertaining games. So it doesn't matter so much to them if the game was a nice game to play.
Broodwar for life!
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
January 16 2017 17:33 GMT
#557
Guys it wouldn't be TvT, it would be FvT. Big difference.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
January 16 2017 17:35 GMT
#558
On January 16 2017 22:23 Qikz wrote:
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On January 16 2017 21:58 Xeln4g4 wrote:
All of us cheering for Jae tomorrow, TvT final would be really sad :/


I'm cheering for Flash.

TvT is the best matchup in the game.

It's not even the best mirror matchup though.
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8638 Posts
January 16 2017 17:40 GMT
#559
On January 17 2017 02:33 Starlightsun wrote:
Guys it wouldn't be TvT, it would be FvT. Big difference.


Flash's TvT offline is pretty untested right now. His last big TvT was in the ASL last season and he lost 0-3 to Last. In his prime I also always had the feeling that TvT was the match-up where oponents had the best chance of winning. He played a very standard style. His TvT looked the most human out of all three match ups.
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
January 16 2017 17:49 GMT
#560
Nah, in his prime, Flash's TvT was beyond ridiculous. 22 win streak, and it made absolutely no sense how he would come back from behind in some of those matches. I think it was actually his strongest match-up.
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