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Shinrei
Profile Joined February 2007
United States241 Posts
January 16 2017 17:54 GMT
#561
What Corum said. Flash's TvT is the stuff of legend.
=^.^=
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 16 2017 17:59 GMT
#562
I remember when this all started and people were telling me SEA wasn't getting out of groups.
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_Animus_
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria1064 Posts
January 16 2017 18:27 GMT
#563
On January 16 2017 15:33 RKC wrote:

BeSt's mistake was trying to play 'risky' and 'gimmicky' too. It's just not his style, and played against his strengths and towards Sea's advantage. (In SC2 terms, it's like trying to out-trick the trickster god sOs himself - not a very wise move in a long series.)


Exactly, in my oppinion Sea cant endure at Best pace in straight macro game, we saw that in game 3. And BeSt beat himself with that strange play he picked.
A tournament of dissapointments indeed.
Luv ya BroodWar!
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8675 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-16 18:58:57
January 16 2017 18:55 GMT
#564
On January 17 2017 03:27 _Animus_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2017 15:33 RKC wrote:

BeSt's mistake was trying to play 'risky' and 'gimmicky' too. It's just not his style, and played against his strengths and towards Sea's advantage. (In SC2 terms, it's like trying to out-trick the trickster god sOs himself - not a very wise move in a long series.)


Exactly, in my oppinion Sea cant endure at Best pace in straight macro game, we saw that in game 3. And BeSt beat himself with that strange play he picked.
A tournament of dissapointments indeed.


What, game 3 ist the worst example because Sea went for a 2 fac push and did exactly 0 damage... The only reason it wasn't a complete roll-over was because Sea's greedy play was off the charts and Best let him do his thing.

On January 17 2017 02:49 corumjhaelen wrote:
Nah, in his prime, Flash's TvT was beyond ridiculous. 22 win streak, and it made absolutely no sense how he would come back from behind in some of those matches. I think it was actually his strongest match-up.


Yeah, I might remember that the wrong way. It might have been a little later when Flash started to drop TvTs to nobodies. For example his infamous group stage drop out, losing to Ssak and Classic.
Me_ToKa
Profile Joined September 2009
Bulgaria309 Posts
January 16 2017 20:10 GMT
#565
On January 16 2017 09:51 Terrorbladder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2017 03:43 Me_ToKa wrote:
This is how I imagine Sea leaving the studio:
+ Show Spoiler +
Starts at 1:39


Sorry I don't have .gif

What is this video about?

Sea leaving the studio: Starts at 1:39
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12041 Posts
January 16 2017 20:38 GMT
#566
On January 17 2017 02:33 Starlightsun wrote:
Guys it wouldn't be TvT, it would be FvT. Big difference.


I miss FvF(vF)

Flash vs FanTaSy and Flash vs Firebathero were honestly the games that kept me watching Broodwar over and over again.

The TvTs they had were outstanding.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
RPGabe
Profile Joined January 2010
United States192 Posts
January 16 2017 21:56 GMT
#567
This was the greatest set of the ASL Season 2 so far. Can't wait for Flash vs Jaedong and grand finals!
jonich0n
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1982 Posts
January 16 2017 22:53 GMT
#568
OMG this SERIES WAS INCREDIBLE

gawd I'm so happy BW is back in such a big way. this is all way too awesome.
(>'.')>
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
January 17 2017 00:15 GMT
#569
On January 17 2017 03:55 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 03:27 _Animus_ wrote:
On January 16 2017 15:33 RKC wrote:

BeSt's mistake was trying to play 'risky' and 'gimmicky' too. It's just not his style, and played against his strengths and towards Sea's advantage. (In SC2 terms, it's like trying to out-trick the trickster god sOs himself - not a very wise move in a long series.)


Exactly, in my oppinion Sea cant endure at Best pace in straight macro game, we saw that in game 3. And BeSt beat himself with that strange play he picked.
A tournament of dissapointments indeed.


What, game 3 ist the worst example because Sea went for a 2 fac push and did exactly 0 damage... The only reason it wasn't a complete roll-over was because Sea's greedy play was off the charts and Best let him do his thing.

Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 02:49 corumjhaelen wrote:
Nah, in his prime, Flash's TvT was beyond ridiculous. 22 win streak, and it made absolutely no sense how he would come back from behind in some of those matches. I think it was actually his strongest match-up.


Yeah, I might remember that the wrong way. It might have been a little later when Flash started to drop TvTs to nobodies. For example his infamous group stage drop out, losing to Ssak and Classic.


Can you remember off the top of your head another example of Flash dropping TvT to mediocre players? Or did one bad day of two games total lead to your opinion?

I'm not saying this to accuse. Genuinely curious how you got to this impression. Flash was so good at TvT for the last three years of his career that even with "slumps" by his standards, he ended BW with the highest vs T ELO out of any player at the time (live ELO, not peak ELO, and not just TvT, any matchup vT). This is even in spite of the 3-0 loss to Fantasy only a month or so before the end of pro BW, and losing 5 of his last 6 TvT.
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-17 02:51:29
January 17 2017 02:28 GMT
#570
If BeSt had a (good) coach...

he would have won. easily.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51620 Posts
January 17 2017 03:18 GMT
#571
On January 17 2017 09:15 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 03:55 Miragee wrote:
On January 17 2017 03:27 _Animus_ wrote:
On January 16 2017 15:33 RKC wrote:

BeSt's mistake was trying to play 'risky' and 'gimmicky' too. It's just not his style, and played against his strengths and towards Sea's advantage. (In SC2 terms, it's like trying to out-trick the trickster god sOs himself - not a very wise move in a long series.)


Exactly, in my oppinion Sea cant endure at Best pace in straight macro game, we saw that in game 3. And BeSt beat himself with that strange play he picked.
A tournament of dissapointments indeed.


What, game 3 ist the worst example because Sea went for a 2 fac push and did exactly 0 damage... The only reason it wasn't a complete roll-over was because Sea's greedy play was off the charts and Best let him do his thing.

On January 17 2017 02:49 corumjhaelen wrote:
Nah, in his prime, Flash's TvT was beyond ridiculous. 22 win streak, and it made absolutely no sense how he would come back from behind in some of those matches. I think it was actually his strongest match-up.


Yeah, I might remember that the wrong way. It might have been a little later when Flash started to drop TvTs to nobodies. For example his infamous group stage drop out, losing to Ssak and Classic.


Can you remember off the top of your head another example of Flash dropping TvT to mediocre players? Or did one bad day of two games total lead to your opinion?

I'm not saying this to accuse. Genuinely curious how you got to this impression. Flash was so good at TvT for the last three years of his career that even with "slumps" by his standards, he ended BW with the highest vs T ELO out of any player at the time (live ELO, not peak ELO, and not just TvT, any matchup vT). This is even in spite of the 3-0 loss to Fantasy only a month or so before the end of pro BW, and losing 5 of his last 6 TvT.


when flash's tvt win streak of 22 games was broken, i don't think many people expected sea.really to be the one to break it.
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usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
January 17 2017 06:12 GMT
#572


Stork vs BBS

Stork's micro and crisis management is terrifying.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10336 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-17 06:34:02
January 17 2017 06:33 GMT
#573
I'm pretty upset about this result. I was starting to feel really hype for my boy Best. I thought he deserved it.

Really hoping for no TvT finals T_T I feel like it would kind of kill the energy of ASL for me. Prior to this result I would have ranked the potential semis in terms of personal interest as:

1. Best vs. Flash
2. Best vs. Jaedong
3. Sea vs. Jaedong
4. Sea vs. Flash

And I'm sure I'm not the only one. Feels bad to be deprived of a Best vs. Flash finals ):
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
January 17 2017 08:08 GMT
#574
On January 17 2017 12:18 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 09:15 darktreb wrote:
On January 17 2017 03:55 Miragee wrote:
On January 17 2017 03:27 _Animus_ wrote:
On January 16 2017 15:33 RKC wrote:

BeSt's mistake was trying to play 'risky' and 'gimmicky' too. It's just not his style, and played against his strengths and towards Sea's advantage. (In SC2 terms, it's like trying to out-trick the trickster god sOs himself - not a very wise move in a long series.)


Exactly, in my oppinion Sea cant endure at Best pace in straight macro game, we saw that in game 3. And BeSt beat himself with that strange play he picked.
A tournament of dissapointments indeed.


What, game 3 ist the worst example because Sea went for a 2 fac push and did exactly 0 damage... The only reason it wasn't a complete roll-over was because Sea's greedy play was off the charts and Best let him do his thing.

On January 17 2017 02:49 corumjhaelen wrote:
Nah, in his prime, Flash's TvT was beyond ridiculous. 22 win streak, and it made absolutely no sense how he would come back from behind in some of those matches. I think it was actually his strongest match-up.


Yeah, I might remember that the wrong way. It might have been a little later when Flash started to drop TvTs to nobodies. For example his infamous group stage drop out, losing to Ssak and Classic.


Can you remember off the top of your head another example of Flash dropping TvT to mediocre players? Or did one bad day of two games total lead to your opinion?

I'm not saying this to accuse. Genuinely curious how you got to this impression. Flash was so good at TvT for the last three years of his career that even with "slumps" by his standards, he ended BW with the highest vs T ELO out of any player at the time (live ELO, not peak ELO, and not just TvT, any matchup vT). This is even in spite of the 3-0 loss to Fantasy only a month or so before the end of pro BW, and losing 5 of his last 6 TvT.


when flash's tvt win streak of 22 games was broken, i don't think many people expected sea.really to be the one to break it.


I agree there were plenty of cases. No one only loses in their matchup to "expected" players, though I agree that Really was extra surprising as he wasn't even considered strong at TvT like Skyhigh or Last. Was just curious about this particular poster's reason for the memory.
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