EPTChojja may be looking impressive lately. Maybe he's riding a hotstreak. Maybe he is dominant. Who knows? We'll have to wait a month or three to see if he continues his dominance
Chojja = Best zerg. Discuss. - Page 2
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
Chojja may be looking impressive lately. Maybe he's riding a hotstreak. Maybe he is dominant. Who knows? We'll have to wait a month or three to see if he continues his dominance | ||
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tfeign
United States2979 Posts
On May 01 2006 04:35 PoP wrote: Well you can't really say anything about him hoding "a 100% winning percentage in all 3 of the big leagues", since he played what, 2 OSL games, 1 MSL game and 1 proleague game and 3 out of 4 were ZvZ, where everyone agrees that he's the world number 1 right now. Yeah, he has not played a huge abundant of games yet for the current seasons, but it's an incredibly hard feat. Think of it this way, if you only qualified for 1 league, you can spend all your time practicing for your important game. If you're playing for both OSL and MSL, your practice time is going to be cut into half, because there's only so much time you can devote to practice for your OSL games, and so much time to practice for your MSL games. Playing perfect in not just 1, 2, but all 3 big leagues that are going on at the exact same time means you have very little time to prepare and practice for all of your upcoming games sufficiently. Even though the seasons are just beginning, there's no one else besides Chojja that has been able to achieve perfect stats in all 3 leagues like this. That just shows how difficult it is to perform well in all 3 leagues, let alone being perfect in all of them. Even with just 4 games I think it's very impressive considering all the leagues are going on simultaneously, giving him very little time to prepare for his games. On May 01 2006 04:56 FrozenArbiter wrote: When did chojja beat xellos 3-0 (I managed to miss this, well, except for references to it)? Very strong performance obviousy, but has he really been tested in a bo5 vs a top terran? He 2-0'ed Xellos in the previous MSL season, and then 1-0'ed him in ODL. | ||
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
However, i think at this current time, Chojja has the potential to be the dominating zerg in BOTH leagues. Although i'm sure July will take 2nd or 3rd in his group and advance to the round of 16, and maybe take it all the way, Chojja appears to be a much more reliable choice for the top4. Also, Chojja is still doing well in MSL, so hopefully that will continue for him. Perhaps nowadays is the time for the dominance of Chojja, similar to Gorush's amazing performance around the MSL 1st place / KT-KTF 2nd place / OGN 3rd place time. | ||
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Mr.Testie
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
 i have to say that his zvz play is brilliant, and although also very good at zvp and zvt, his games havent been very spectacular to watch i guess.. ;p and zvz games also arent very epic (the best one i've watched is Yellow vs GGPlay, but i guess yellow vs julyzerg on bifrost must've been a good game too..but yeah those were ylelow, not chojja ;p) | ||
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
This is not politics so get real. Also, MSL is nothing compared to OSL.. July is there batteling for the golden mouse and that makes him #1 | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
 ) 1 zvt :O. Wait till he wins msl or osl or does really well in the proleague before saying he's top. | ||
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On May 01 2006 08:44 Patriot.dlk wrote: Excuse me but don't be so disgusting when making a thread like this (like constantly talking about his 100% winning records in all three leauges when there's been like 5 total rounds or something) This is not politics so get real. Also, MSL is nothing compared to OSL.. July is there batteling for the golden mouse and that makes him #1 Are you blind? Read tfeign's last post. He explained why his 100% win record is relevant. | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
Original Cowboy? Super Ultra? Ye yes yes yes... Best Zerg? Eh.. if we look at now and a lil before the break, sure why not. atm... Savior failed to get into OSL, July has been shaken up bad by Oov, GoRush has been considered fallen and on his climb back, so logic says Chojja is #1 coming off a hot streak. Way too early to tell, this is like that silly Oov and Boxer TvP discussion... 2 years tells much more than 2 months. Plus, Boxer is practice makes perfect style..... that's why he is competitive for life. Chojja I feel is probably the same way, and a renewed confidence since clutching his first title has to give him that extra sense of security. Instead of Chojja being #1 or some silly trivial thing, I think what's important is we can expect to see a dominant Chojja back like Panasonic Style. We hadn't seen as much confidence in Chojja's play. His attack timing is sharper, his micro/macro still superb, and best of all, his textbook of strats has been updated if you guys noticed. Chojja has become a better player. Chojja, like Yellow, are having a return to form! I even bet you, if Jinnam came back, he'd actually win a ZvT!!!! | ||
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iNsaNe-
Finland5201 Posts
On May 01 2006 05:06 PoP wrote: He won 2-0 in a recent MSL, and 1-0 in some Dual Tournament, iirc (although I think Xellos won one game in-between, the one where he stayed several minutes with his firebat/marines in Chojja's main) I remember some game which was on Forte I think Xellos made some 3 rax attack which failed but he still won, but I could be mistaken. And I doubt ChoJJa would've won the MSL if he would've faced oov, and he didn't win easy vs IPX even ZvZ is IPXs worst or at least not his best mu | ||
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Sadist
United States7084 Posts
he abuses and twists statistics to try to sway people to his demented way of thinking. TFeign watch games, stop bringing up bullshit statistics like they are the be all and end all of bw. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia12795 Posts
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DTDominion
United States2148 Posts
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Kaotu
United States986 Posts
With that being said, saying Chojja is > July is kind of goofy. I think that GoRush and ChoJJa are in similar positions right now; rising with the apparent potential of coming out great. But neither player has acheived greatness yet imo, and July has (I'm not just talking about win percentages here; July has something special about him that no other zerg has at the moment). And I guess that Savior is rising with the potential of being great, but he has a lot more to prove imo. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
ODL R1 he did not go undefeated. Had he done so, it would have been him and not Sea as the 4th seed to OSL. Also, your perfect 100% average in last MSL was matchwise, not gamewise. I know IPX took one game off him, and I think someone else took a game off him somewhere else as well. He did quite well, but this was no \"flawless\" victory. I\'m pretty sure nobody has achieved that feat yet (though Boxer might have...I recall that at the end of 1.07/begining of 1.08, he went back-to-back in two major tournaments, losing only 2 games and winning both tournies. One of them was Game-Q if my memory serves. God that was long ago). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Well, the best way to look at Chojja I think is matchwise. His ZvZ is without a doubt the best in the world right now, supporting my \"best 1 base Zerg,\" and \"strong micro Zerg\" statements I\'ve made. I\'m pretty sure he has lost only 1 of his last 10 ZvZ games. ZvT, I really can\'t say he\'s the best. You\'re going to come back arguing that he just beat Oov and that he\'s been decapitating Xellos again and again, but I\'m still not moved enough to put him in the same league as IPX or July. Taking 1 game from Oov does not instantly mean that Chojja\'s ZvT is stronger than July\'s. Remember, Oov changed his TvZ style STRICTLY BECAUSE OF July, so it\'s no real surprise that Oov was able to dismantle him so easily in one bo5 series played all on the same day. And when Chojja beat Oov in OSL, it did not look all that pretty. A single good move won him the game, yet he still wasn\'t able to capitalize on it until a fucking decade later. You really can\'t argue his ZvT is at the same level as IPXZerg. It is, however, stronger than Gorush\'s right now. In his game vs Sync, they posted the stats from the last 10 OGN ZvT games Gorush has played, and before playing Sync, he had only won 3 of the last 10. ZvP, I\'d say that Chojja and IPX are about the same level, but July and Gorush are too monster ZvP players that are both better than Chojja. ------------------------------------- Is he overall the best? Maybe. I\'d say that he is stronger overall than Gorush is at the moment, though Gorush seems to be gaining momentum, so we could see that change. I believe July is stronger at the moment, since July is stronger ZvP and ZvT, and not a whole lot weaker in ZvZ. IPX I\'d say is comparable to Chojja BOTH in his skill set (stronger ZvT, comparable ZvP, weaker ZvZ) AND his achievments (MSL 1st/MSL 2nd as opposed to MSL 3rd/MSL2nd/OSL qualified). I would conclude that July is still the strongest. Yet, I see July as losing momentum. He was at the top for too long, and players are adapting their styles to defeat his (such as oov vs july in the last OSL finals). Just like Boxer said, you have to keep adapting strategically, and July hasn\'t really adapted yet. | ||
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Bladox
Canada763 Posts
july | zvp chojja | zvz Gorush / Savior | zvt Althought those four are also very good at other matchups I thing these mu are their bests. | ||
ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
While Cho looks damn strong right now, he'll have to get thru a few terrans before I call him the best atm. | ||
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puLs.ReADy
Bulgaria1301 Posts
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Piccolo
Chile621 Posts
On May 01 2006 04:43 RiSE wrote: I'd put July under savior tbh. July is fucking overrated. finally someone who agree! | ||
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
i also dont know why you keep referring to his recent record vs xellos when you said that xellos "is as much of a threat as casy at the moment" in a discussion about anytime. On May 01 2006 09:45 Sadist wrote: tfeign is really really really lame. he abuses and twists statistics to try to sway people to his demented way of thinking. TFeign watch games, stop bringing up bullshit statistics like they are the be all and end all of bw. i agree completely. when a player you want to bash loses to xellos (anytime), you bring up xellos's slumping form and when a player you want to worship (chojja) beats him in recent games, you mention it as proof of his godliness in every thread. | ||
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