EPTthis post opens a great thread.
who the fuck cares who opens it or his reasons/proofs for doing so.
Chojja = Best zerg. Discuss. - Page 3
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
this post opens a great thread. who the fuck cares who opens it or his reasons/proofs for doing so. | ||
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1sd2sd3sd
660 Posts
On May 01 2006 03:39 iD.SquaLL wrote: not to mention he is the mannerest progamer ever, always shaking his hand after the game is finished =) I remember a game where he wouldn't leave vs boxer when the game was seriously over and boxer found him by spreading wraiths all around. Also, I do not see him shake hands when he loses, maybe this is because I haven't seen a recent vod of him losing. | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On May 01 2006 12:28 Teroru wrote: fuck off. this post opens a great thread. who the fuck cares who opens it or his reasons/proofs for doing so. mora not getting any manass lately? =D where are you on bnet =[ | ||
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sundance
Slovakia3201 Posts
On May 01 2006 09:45 Sadist wrote: tfeign is really really really lame. he abuses and twists statistics to try to sway people to his demented way of thinking. TFeign watch games, stop bringing up bullshit statistics like they are the be all and end all of bw. I REALLY can't agree more. | ||
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StarN
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On May 01 2006 13:56 Sadist wrote: mora not getting any manass lately? =D where are you on bnet =[ i been working 13 hours a day on RTS games. When i get home i have no desire to play some more RTS. However, i logged on the past 2 days. it was fun. So you might see me on more. 'Mora' on west and '[GiTM]-Moraelin' on east still. <3 | ||
ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
I really don't want to get into a big debate here, but I don't think I need to point out that comparing any other Zerg that has ever played the game to July is insane. The guy won everything and beat everyone for over a year. Chojja has a good couple months and you're saying he's better than July because fatty has lost a bunch of games this month? That's a little unreasonable in my opinion, though Chojja has undenyably awesome ZvZ, I haven't seen anything from his ZvTorP that has impressed my beyond what he has been doing throughout his career. I would be so bold as to say that he's had some good fortune on his side throughout his OSL games (outside of the ZvZs which were just him being awesome, but they were plenty as well which was good for him) and if he had met Oov in those MSL finals instead of IPX he would've been gorilla raped and none of us would be having these debates right now.  I know you'll jump on that tfeign, so go nuts. But I truely believe all of it. | ||
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Luhh
Sweden2974 Posts
Chojja has had a good run, but he's not better than July imo, or perhaps even Gorush. It's his ZvZ game that's outstanding and what helps him progress, not ZvT. Just about any zerg seem to handle ZvP quite allright though, not much in between them there, but July and Gorush are the only ZvPers I've seen who can fight equally with great high-econ tosses lategame. Chojja will advance out of groups in OGN, be eliminated if he pairs up against a good terran, progress against a zerg, and 50-50 chance against a good protoss. My take on things. | ||
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
When July lose, it's to cheese (5 pool) or build (1 gas expo muta vs nexus sair on 815!). He lost before he even began to play. Last OSL, the maps for ZvT were so lame. Given the same opponents & maps, Chojja may have done worse. July & Savior[gm] isn't overrated. July was ranked #1 for so long for a reason. TvZ aren't worse like someone mentioned, but they are stronger than before. So good that even nobody Terran will get lucky enough to beat a great zerg. FE Terran is a bitch. Similar to how stats for PvZ, look at the best PvZ player's win percentage??! It's something like 50-60%. TFeign's stats are utter BS. It belongs in politics, not this forum. | ||
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Owl
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
Is it Cho-JAH? Is it Cho-YAH? No one knows! Therefore, he remains in obscurity. | ||
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Mindcrime
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ZaplinG
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tfeign
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racebannon
Canada1225 Posts
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DTDominion
United States2148 Posts
July still made it to second fucking place. And yes, he got a lot of ZvP blah blah blah. It doesn't matter, the games weren't even competitive. You don't just absolutely rape Nal_rock and Pusan unless you are a true master of the matchup. And honestly, Chojja and OOv are pretty evenly matched. The Rush Hour game from pro leauge was unbelievably close. I don't think Chojja beating OOv qualifies as an accomplishment. | ||
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On May 01 2006 15:54 racebannon wrote: Chojja has always been my favorite zerg but I would never consider him the best. I would consider him the best at zvz though. I think Savior has the current best TvZ with PvZ being equal amongst the top players. There are just way too many good zergs right now for someone to proclaim one of them the best. not to nit pick but you have the mu's backwards. 'my pvz is good' with abbreviations: "my protoss versus zerg is good". So saying 'Saviours TvZ is good' would then correlate to "Saviours Terran versus Zerg is good". But i do not think you are referring to his terran. not trying to be an asshat. but when it comes to things like this clarity is helpful. I don't know if saviour plays terran ever, so it could be confusing if he does. I heard someone say mondi's pvz was good, and when i corrected him i looked like a dumbass because the fellow was indeed referring to Mondi's Protoss. Not his Zerg. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On May 01 2006 15:52 tfeign wrote: If anyone thinks that ChoJJa has only been doing well for a couple of months, that cannot be any more false. ChoJJa has been doing very well for much longer period of time. He placed top 3 in MSL two seasons ago, and won the last one. He's the last zerg to win a Starleague. Within the past half a year ChoJJa is the most accomplished zerg. July is still ranked as the top zerg in Kespa mainly because of his EVER 2 OSL win that happened nearly a year ago. When that drops off within the next couple months, I wouldn't be surprised if July would fall down as the 3rd or 4th highest rated zerg in Kespa. new kespa only takes into account last 3 months. time will tell if chojja is just hot for a period of time + riding his zvz or if he really has come up to top level. i think his zvt is still weak, but it seems to be improving quickly (game vs oov the fact that it took that long to finish him and almost let him back in the game wasnt very impressive), and if that gets up to top level he might be the best. and yes, you are skewing the facts in chojjas favor. | ||
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
i don't paticularly agree w/ using those statistics (maps overlap in all 3 leagues, so its not like he's having to REALLY practice 3 different mapsets) However, i think Chojja might do some insanely crazy shit in the next few months. He seems really really confident in his play, and has shown some excellent play recently. So, maybe Chojja != best zerg, but Chojja = next big zerg | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
i think its really lame to bring in bullshit statistics though and act like they are relevant at all. | ||
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