EPT[OSL] Semi-Final A Jaedong vs Stork - Page 72
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LuigiNMario
United States456 Posts
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InDaHouse
Sweden956 Posts
As always Stork somehow screws things up and loses the momentum. Stork we love u! Dinotoss powah!!!! GL Jaedong and you better start using Queens if u want to beat Flash. | ||
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nurle
Norway308 Posts
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TheMute
United States458 Posts
On September 02 2010 23:17 LuigiNMario wrote: This is why JD doesn't lose set 5 at starleagues much, LING CHEEEESE It wasn't cheese. He was simply punishing Stork for trying to get away with one cannon. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On September 02 2010 22:07 hitthat wrote: Funny that it's said by one of the notorious TvZ complainer You never stop whining, do you? I try to make positive comments as much as possible but people like you have nothing better to do but provoke, provoke, provoke. Like I said before, there's far more whining about whining than actual whining these days and you're one of the most prolific. Not a single person was whining about balance in this thread, not one. A few protoss fans complaining about lings and that's it. But yet we have to have post after post in here complaining about zerg fan-whining when it never even happened in this thread! Seriously, some of you are just addicted to being aggrieved. :/ | ||
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constantine
Bulgaria49 Posts
On September 02 2010 23:50 nurle wrote: why cant jaedong be this agressive vs flash? he needs that to win i think: p Game 5 he gambled and won. Pretty insane, in the true meaning of the word, that he went for it. I was screaming pls stop pumping those lings the whole time! --- but other than that, I think he was just improvising. ~~ likewise after the semi-finals against Light, where he admitted it. all that aggression doesnt looking like him, and im positive that if Free was to advance to the OSL finals JD would have a lot more problems seeing how he is overtraining his ZvT | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On September 03 2010 01:30 constantine wrote: Game 5 he gambled and won. Pretty insane, in the true meaning of the word, that he went for it. I was screaming pls stop pumping those lings the whole time! --- but other than that, I think he was just improvising. ~~ likewise after the semi-finals against Light, where he admitted it. all that aggression doesnt looking like him, and im positive that if Free was to advance to the OSL finals JD would have a lot more problems seeing how he is overtraining his ZvT Chill: "When I played iCCup at B- on my stream sometimes this protoss would FE with 1 cannon and I'd say on the stream "why is this kid only making 1 cannon I'm just going to make a bunch of lings and kill him" and then the toss complains about all in." It's the same thing. Jaedong isn't going to let someone get away with 1 cannon no matter how good he is, especially off a 9 pool. Flash only takes risks like that in the BO with like 14 CC but jaedong beats flash tons with auto win vs 14 CC. | ||
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atenthirtyone
United States88 Posts
On September 03 2010 00:41 TheMute wrote: It wasn't cheese. He was simply punishing Stork for trying to get away with one cannon. That and being greedy by pulling probes away after a single zealot spawned to defend a 3 unit choke. <_< | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
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1a2a3aPro
Canada227 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On September 03 2010 02:38 1a2a3aPro wrote: Is it just me or is Jaedong not really in form anymore? He seems to be winning games, but instead of being "aggressive" and winning with great management when it looks like the other player can hold (like he used to), he seems to be Kwanrolling it up and winning with the element of surprise, WHILE losing macro/management related games more and more often. I don't like this. I feel like he's slowly losing it and is only holding on because of management, surprise and the fact that a slumping Jaedong is still a bitch to beat. He should be kwanrolling more often because he gets predictable especially against Flash . | ||
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Ocular
Canada141 Posts
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On September 03 2010 02:38 1a2a3aPro wrote: I wouldn't say "anymore". I would say that in this last series with Stork he was not on his usual jaw-dropping form. He still won because a) as you say, even an off-form Jaedong is a formidable opponent, b) Zerg has the edge over Protoss under current "metagame" conditions (state of the maps, state of "standard play") and c) Jaedong has the mental edge over Stork (Jaedong has the mental edge over everyone but Flash; plus Stork has a history of choking when the stakes are highest).Is it just me or is Jaedong not really in form anymore? He seems to be winning games, but instead of being "aggressive" and winning with great management when it looks like the other player can hold (like he used to), he seems to be Kwanrolling it up and winning with the element of surprise, WHILE losing macro/management related games more and more often. I don't like this. I feel like he's slowly losing it and is only holding on because of management, surprise and the fact that a slumping Jaedong is still a bitch to beat. I imagine that part of the reason Jaedong was off-form in this series is that he was just coming off a devastating loss to Flash in the MSL finals. Jaedong takes major losses even harder than most pro-gamers--he's said more than once that second place is no better than losing in the early rounds, as far as he's concerned, and recently, Flash has been his roadblock. Even in his post-game interview for this match, Jaedong said that the loss to Flash was still weighing on him. When you say "not in form anymore", are you thinking of anything besides his last two matches, and/or do you think that showing something less than his very best play for two matches means that Jaedong is going into a slump? If you think that, you probably haven't been following Starcraft for too long, because if there is one thing that sets Jaedong apart from other progamers, it's his mental strength. He's proven that too many times to start doubting now. JD does take losses badly, and sometimes that has an impact on his play for maybe the next week (I'm thinking of his losses in the PL Grand Finals two seasons ago), but he always comes back stronger than ever. If Flash makes it to the finals again (although I actually give Free a decent chance of pulling the upset), trust me, Jaedong will have all the motivation he needs to play better than we've ever seen him. I'm not the first to note this, but these two players (JD and Flash) are often most dangerous when they have something to prove. It's not like this series was even the first time in this OSL that Jaedong showed us something less than he was capable of (while still pulling through). I had the same sense watching his games against Kal in the first round. Maybe JD's ridiculous dominant streak against Protoss gives him a little extra leeway to coast when he's preparing for those match-ups. In any case, whether the other finalist turns out to be Free or Flash (I'm weakly rooting for Free, because like so many others here, I'm starting to get tired of watching the same people every final, no matter how good they are), I think the upcoming finals will be one to remember. | ||
Harem
United States11390 Posts
On September 03 2010 02:00 Slayer91 wrote: Chill: "When I played iCCup at B- on my stream sometimes this protoss would FE with 1 cannon and I'd say on the stream "why is this kid only making 1 cannon I'm just going to make a bunch of lings and kill him" and then the toss complains about all in." It's the same thing. Jaedong isn't going to let someone get away with 1 cannon no matter how good he is, especially off a 9 pool. Flash only takes risks like that in the BO with like 14 CC but jaedong beats flash tons with auto win vs 14 CC. On February 03 2010 03:58 mrmin123 wrote: Q: You managed to take full advantage of the hole in free's defenses. A: I actually didn't have any plans to attack, but when I scouted with my overlord his defenses at his natural seemed a bit shoddy. That's why I produced extra lings and attacked. The attack went well so I could win easily. From his game here: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/35247_free_vs_Jaedong | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On September 03 2010 03:04 Harem wrote: Nice find/recall.From his game here: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/35247_free_vs_Jaedong | ||
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
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sCriv
United Kingdom90 Posts
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oN_Silva
197 Posts
dont know if jaedong can beat flash when he plays propper (not like vs the alien , cant remember his name) | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
 Stork took it to 5 games. Let us remember that Stork has the record for most OSL Ro16 appearances both in total and consecutively. Since he has the next Ro16 guaranteed, he will (in a few months) have 11 consecutive Ro16's and 15 total. It is a shame he only has one title to show for it.P.S.  BoxeR has 9 consecutive and 14 totalAlthough considering Boxer's advanced age for most of his career (20-years-old his first OSL), he certainly could have had countless more. | ||
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
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