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laziboi
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada9 Posts
September 02 2010 05:17 GMT
#1401
JaeDong delivers!
Lee Jae Dong / Kim Taek Yong / Lee Young Ho
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
September 02 2010 05:20 GMT
#1402
frees never gonna beat flash. but if he does, the title is jaedongs

gonna be another flash v jaedong finals though lol... hope it isnt as one sided. aka: flash does some crazy builds and timings and blindsides jaedong in g1.. AGAIN
Jaedong.
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
September 02 2010 05:29 GMT
#1403
On September 02 2010 00:58 SubtleArt wrote:
Btw is it just me or has jaedong been really weak to timing attacks lately?

it aint you, jd has started to go for some crazy econ greedy builds... ppl can see that and its getting exploited.. he just needs to keep a good scout out (like g3 and 4) and respond appropriately (like g4 lol)
Jaedong.
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
September 02 2010 05:54 GMT
#1404
Fking JD!! Dirty zerg!! Cheesing my beautiful Stork So sad...
Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
September 02 2010 07:05 GMT
#1405
On September 02 2010 14:54 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Fking JD!! Dirty zerg!! Cheesing my beautiful Stork So sad...

lol *tickle*

I loved JDs expressions after the game. Just awesome to see him smile =)
Mada Mada Dane
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-02 08:10:24
September 02 2010 08:04 GMT
#1406
On September 02 2010 08:39 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 21:21 raga4ka wrote:
I don't know how people can get tired of Jaedong vs Flash . No matter who wins or how one - sided the games are there is always perfection in those games . There is a lot to be learned from them playing in both builds , micro , macro and multitasking . Flash's 14 CC follow-ups seem unstopable and thought i'm not a terran player and i'm a Jaedong fan i learned a lot from Flash's all out aggression after the 14 CC .

I get tired of it because after Flash rapes Jaedong senseless theres 20 pages in each thread of how Jaedong was tired or should have done this or my favorite from the MSL final "The better player didnt win this"


If comments bother you just don't read them! There's so many big babies among the anti-JD crowd it's ridiculous.

I don't see "20 pages" in each thread of this. Usually there are a couple and then the usual angry Flash fanboys drown them in responses.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
September 02 2010 08:16 GMT
#1407
On September 02 2010 17:04 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2010 08:39 arb wrote:
On September 01 2010 21:21 raga4ka wrote:
I don't know how people can get tired of Jaedong vs Flash . No matter who wins or how one - sided the games are there is always perfection in those games . There is a lot to be learned from them playing in both builds , micro , macro and multitasking . Flash's 14 CC follow-ups seem unstopable and thought i'm not a terran player and i'm a Jaedong fan i learned a lot from Flash's all out aggression after the 14 CC .

I get tired of it because after Flash rapes Jaedong senseless theres 20 pages in each thread of how Jaedong was tired or should have done this or my favorite from the MSL final "The better player didnt win this"


If comments bother you just don't read them! There's so many big babies among the anti-JD crowd it's ridiculous.

I don't see "20 pages" in each thread of this. Usually there are a couple and then the usual angry Flash fanboys drown them in responses.


It's like two famous and highly talented players have polarizing fanbases.

Amusingly until recently Jaedong and Flash fans got along pretty well out of a common hate of Bisu. Then the Ever09 OSL HBR cheese happened and it's never been the same since.
Remember Violet.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
September 02 2010 08:18 GMT
#1408
On September 02 2010 14:54 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Fking JD!! Dirty zerg!! Cheesing my beautiful Stork So sad...

He should've done some dirty zerg days before in the MSL finals.
That's how you win.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
MapleLeafSirup
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany950 Posts
September 02 2010 11:19 GMT
#1409
That was a pretty poor decision making of stork in the last set. He just refused to pull more probes to his entrance even when it got OBVIOUS that jaedong went allin ling.
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
September 02 2010 11:28 GMT
#1410
stork ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
September 02 2010 11:43 GMT
#1411
Sad that Stork couldn't make it, we really need a protoss in a starleague final. And he played very well too. But Jaedong us just ruthlessly good. It's nice to have zvp to fall back to when it seems like all the leagues are filled with tvz imba though
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
September 02 2010 11:46 GMT
#1412
On September 02 2010 17:16 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2010 17:04 tomatriedes wrote:
On September 02 2010 08:39 arb wrote:
On September 01 2010 21:21 raga4ka wrote:
I don't know how people can get tired of Jaedong vs Flash . No matter who wins or how one - sided the games are there is always perfection in those games . There is a lot to be learned from them playing in both builds , micro , macro and multitasking . Flash's 14 CC follow-ups seem unstopable and thought i'm not a terran player and i'm a Jaedong fan i learned a lot from Flash's all out aggression after the 14 CC .

I get tired of it because after Flash rapes Jaedong senseless theres 20 pages in each thread of how Jaedong was tired or should have done this or my favorite from the MSL final "The better player didnt win this"


If comments bother you just don't read them! There's so many big babies among the anti-JD crowd it's ridiculous.

I don't see "20 pages" in each thread of this. Usually there are a couple and then the usual angry Flash fanboys drown them in responses.


It's like two famous and highly talented players have polarizing fanbases.

Amusingly until recently Jaedong and Flash fans got along pretty well out of a common hate of Bisu. Then the Ever09 OSL HBR cheese happened and it's never been the same since.

Ah, yes.
+ Show Spoiler +

''god flash is gay, he ruined christmas for everyone'' ''Wtf was that imba bullshit'' ''Flash you worthless scum'' ''Fuck Flash! Chessing n00b Terran'' ''Fuck Terran, bunker rush is the most imba shit in the history of the game'' ''Fuck the terran race, fuck you terrans and your gayass 8rax cheeses that require no skill to execute and autowin the game 50% the time or get you way ahead'' ''aww flash wtf.. U ruined image of you .. screw u'' ''Flash...you fucking fag'' ''Lol Flash what a cheesing noob.'' ''Flash is so fucking lame.'' ''flash is such a fag'' ''Flash == The Grinch'' ''that was fucking gay, talk about a lack of showmanship.'' ''cheesy faggot''
The vast amount of silly disrespect that went on there definitely caused a rift. Then the Power Outage incident happened too. XD
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
September 02 2010 12:03 GMT
#1413
On September 02 2010 14:29 Pedo.Bear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2010 00:58 SubtleArt wrote:
Btw is it just me or has jaedong been really weak to timing attacks lately?

it aint you, jd has started to go for some crazy econ greedy builds... ppl can see that and its getting exploited..,
That's really not the case, though (3/5 9-pools in this series). It's only against Flash that you can say Jaedong's been doing that. It's a common symptom: a player starts thinking that he doesn't have a good chance of winning a standard game straight-up, so he cuts as many economic corners as he can. Stork did that this game 5.

Jaedong's never thought that about anyone before, though. Testament to how beastly Flash has gotten these days. Even Jaedong concedes that for the moment Flash is #1.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-02 12:07:35
September 02 2010 12:06 GMT
#1414
On September 02 2010 21:03 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2010 14:29 Pedo.Bear wrote:
On September 02 2010 00:58 SubtleArt wrote:
Btw is it just me or has jaedong been really weak to timing attacks lately?

it aint you, jd has started to go for some crazy econ greedy builds... ppl can see that and its getting exploited..,
That's really not the case, though (3/5 9-pools in this series). It's only against Flash that you can say Jaedong's been doing that. It's a common symptom: a player starts thinking that he doesn't have a good chance of winning a standard game straight-up, so he cuts as many economic corners as he can. Stork did that this game 5.

Jaedong's never thought that about anyone before, though. Testament to how beastly Flash has gotten these days. Even Jaedong concedes that for the moment Flash is #1.

Except Flash himself is sort of doing that too. I mean, he 14 CC's pretty much every game. XD
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-02 12:24:36
September 02 2010 12:19 GMT
#1415
On September 02 2010 21:06 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2010 21:03 qrs wrote:
On September 02 2010 14:29 Pedo.Bear wrote:
On September 02 2010 00:58 SubtleArt wrote:
Btw is it just me or has jaedong been really weak to timing attacks lately?

it aint you, jd has started to go for some crazy econ greedy builds... ppl can see that and its getting exploited..,
That's really not the case, though (3/5 9-pools in this series). It's only against Flash that you can say Jaedong's been doing that. It's a common symptom: a player starts thinking that he doesn't have a good chance of winning a standard game straight-up, so he cuts as many economic corners as he can. Stork did that this game 5.

Jaedong's never thought that about anyone before, though. Testament to how beastly Flash has gotten these days. Even Jaedong concedes that for the moment Flash is #1.

Except Flash himself is sort of doing that too. I mean, he 14 CC's pretty much every game. XD

Very rarely does he blind 14cc anymore, especially on 2 player maps. His opening coupled with his scouting timing keeps the risks pretty minimal. His midgame is pretty safe though (usually waiting to take his 3rd until its safe, except for the PR game vs fantasy), where as JD's is too greedy at the moment. Both against Flash and Stork, JD tried to expand multiple times and power drone too much too fast, leaving himself very vulnerable.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
September 02 2010 12:35 GMT
#1416
Yeah, but Thriatlon game showed us that the scv scout into 14cc is not a safe build when zerg can harass the terran long enough to keep making him from a wall..
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
September 02 2010 12:39 GMT
#1417
On September 02 2010 21:35 SuperArc wrote:
Yeah, but Thriatlon game showed us that the scv scout into 14cc is not a safe build when zerg can harass the terran long enough to keep making him from a wall..

I said minimal, not risk free. And spawning at 12 on triathlon does make 9 pool a lot more deadly.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2329 Posts
September 02 2010 13:07 GMT
#1418
On September 02 2010 17:04 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2010 08:39 arb wrote:
On September 01 2010 21:21 raga4ka wrote:
I don't know how people can get tired of Jaedong vs Flash . No matter who wins or how one - sided the games are there is always perfection in those games . There is a lot to be learned from them playing in both builds , micro , macro and multitasking . Flash's 14 CC follow-ups seem unstopable and thought i'm not a terran player and i'm a Jaedong fan i learned a lot from Flash's all out aggression after the 14 CC .

I get tired of it because after Flash rapes Jaedong senseless theres 20 pages in each thread of how Jaedong was tired or should have done this or my favorite from the MSL final "The better player didnt win this"


If comments bother you just don't read them! There's so many big babies among the anti-JD crowd it's ridiculous.

I don't see "20 pages" in each thread of this. Usually there are a couple and then the usual angry Flash fanboys drown them in responses.


Funny that it's said by one of the notorious TvZ complainer
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
September 02 2010 13:13 GMT
#1419
On September 02 2010 12:17 Womwomwom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2010 00:57 SubtleArt wrote:
On September 01 2010 22:36 arbiter_md wrote:
On September 01 2010 22:00 Slayer91 wrote:
On September 01 2010 21:06 Nick_54 wrote:
On September 01 2010 21:04 arbiter_md wrote:
I really hope Stork learns the basic rules of safety after today games. He has to understand that he was the better player today, but lost because of his stupidity. He has to acknowledge that his PvZ is very good now, and he can play it straight up.

As for Jaedong, he is good in ZvBioT. In the rest he is going according to the flow of meta-game. Nothing special.


Are you fucking kidding me?


LOOOOOOOL. Jaedong practically IS the zerg metagame wtf.


Do you know who was the zerg to use the 6 hatch hydras build in zvp (the build from game4)?
What about the first zerg to play a ultra-less game in ZvMech?

What was the last creative thing, Jaedong did?


Or re-emerging the 2 hatch muta as a viable build to transition from in ZvT?


Pretty sure the Park twins were the real reason that there was a resurgence of two hatch mutalisks. Yarnc in particular was probably the player who brought back two hatch mutalisks, his understanding of it in 2006 was just so brutal. People tend to forget these things but Yarnc and Luxury were amazing aggressive zergs at the time and pretty innovative in certain ways too.


Yarnc would usually follow 2hatch up with a muta ling bust, are at least a huge midgame lair army right afterwards. Jaedong made it a stable build that you could get a 3rd + hive tech up from in good time (this amde it a way more stable build). you're right though, Yarnc definitely was an awesome player to watch, and his muta micro was really good .
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
September 02 2010 13:18 GMT
#1420
I really wonder how Flash will play vs JD (if he wins vs Free that is). I mean, JD pretty much beat both Light and Stork (and he took games vs Flash in both WCG and MSL) using aggressive ling play. If he dares to go for more 14 CC's he has fucking balls of steel.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
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