EPTOn January 18 2010 03:49 HaXXspetten wrote:
I've got both the OSL & MSL finals at 09:00 am, and both on weekends.
I'm good.
I've got both the OSL & MSL finals at 09:00 am, and both on weekends.
I'm good.
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[OSL] EVER 2009 OSL Grand Final - Flash vs Movie - Page 189
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Saturnize
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
On January 18 2010 03:44 Lebesgue wrote: It was goddamn cheesy but terrible. Idk... If he managed to pull out one or two storms he would have won. The thing is that Flash saw HTs and used the timing window before HTs had enough energy for the storm. I'm sure P on ICCup will use this build to make Terran players cry more about the TvP imbalance  He had storm. Why would he engage in a choke (the bridge) without storm? Okay, maybe the builds weren't super, but they put Movie ahead in game 1. He actually could've won game 2 if he sniped the SCV building the turret seeing how Flash didn't have scan up for awhile afterwards and there were no turrets around there. That's what I'm saying. Flash defended the best possible. | ||
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BraveNewWorld
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Lebesgue
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On January 18 2010 03:49 Shikyo wrote: One base. Robo with Reavers, Shuttle, DT, and you want storm? The thing is, Flash was on 50 supply 2 bases and he was on barely 40 supply 1 base when he came in with his reaver. The moment his build didn't KILL flash, he had lost the game. Even if the attack of Flash would have gotten destroyed(it wouldn't have). There's a reason you don't see the build. Hm... It was 17th minute of the game and he was on 2gas for some time. I'm sure he was researching storm. Why otherwise build HTs. And commentators were also screaming storm. Seriously, Flash just hit the timing window. | ||
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CynanMachae
Canada1459 Posts
 Woke up to Idra in the crowd and went to bed Anyway just finished watching the games, pretty nice game. That build from Movie was pretty weird in game 2, but I wish it had worked better. And pretty good play from Flash in game 4. I didn't expect that. | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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JIJIyO
Canada1957 Posts
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KristianJS
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On January 18 2010 04:51 KristianJS wrote: They don't show any reaction shots from the loser or his team after the GG has been typed out of respect. At least I didn't see any. Movie gave Flash a hand shake after he was defeated, so it was good sport on his part. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On January 18 2010 03:49 Shikyo wrote: One base. Robo with Reavers, Shuttle, DT, and you want storm? The thing is, Flash was on 50 supply 2 bases and he was on barely 40 supply 1 base when he came in with his reaver. The moment his build didn't KILL flash, he had lost the game. Even if the attack of Flash would have gotten destroyed(it wouldn't have). There's a reason you don't see the build. This. It was a complete all-in where Movie put extra probes on gas and didn't expo to make that timing window. The LEAST he should have done was make Flash vacate one of his bases. Anything less than that was 100% GG. Best case scenario was taking out Flash's main and making him lift his facs or something insane like that. I think people need to go back and look at Stork vs Fantasy Incruit OSL if they want to see how an S-Class PvT plays the OSL finals. Look at how much damage Stork does in a non-all-in timing window with just 2 DTs and a shuttle. Then look at what Movie did and ask yourselves if there's any comparison at all. Game 3 Movie had a nice break at Flash's 4th. It was the one time that entire series I saw Movie attacking at a good angle. Which isn't hard to do on Eye of the Storm where Flash had to turtle in a straight line down an entire map. (AKA not possible). After that, Movie rode his supply advantage to mass carriers, which was a smart thing to do but nothing exceptional. It's a pretty easy decision to make when you're on 5 bases and the other guy's on 3. Flash might not have known carriers were coming, but he also couldn't really afford to build 2 rounds of gols "just in case." He's down 20 supply and bases and used up his scans defending vs arbs. He can't scout and can't afford to coin flip macro at that point. It was solid good play from Movie, but it was in no way exceptional, genius, star sense etc. I was looking forward to this series. I wanted to see Movie come out and do something interesting. But I am astounded when people are actually making comparisons like Movie has the "potential" to be better PvT than TaekBang. Standards must be getting extremely low nowadays. Everywhere I look, people are suddenly becoming S-class when they take a game off an S-class player or pump wins off B-teamers for awhile (a la Leta). Respect the TaekBangLeeSsang. There's a reason only 4 players are respected at that level. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On January 18 2010 05:03 TwoToneTerran wrote: Yeah but you're comparing Fantasy to Flash which is just silly. During the early game, I don't think Fantasy's mechanics are inferior to Flash's in terms of defending vs harass. They're both excellent at it. It's not a bad comparison. | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
The real final comes on Saturday. This was just warmup. | ||
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FusionCutter
Canada974 Posts
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King K. Rool
Canada4408 Posts
On January 18 2010 05:42 Liquid_Turbo wrote: It almost seemed Flash lost Game 3 'on purpose' to make the finals more exciting, and receive less criticism. He had no idea Carriers were coming.. really? I think he was just going easy on Movie for that game. Way to insult both players at once. | ||
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prototype.
Canada4202 Posts
On January 18 2010 05:42 Liquid_Turbo wrote: It almost seemed Flash lost Game 3 'on purpose' to make the finals more exciting, and receive less criticism. He had no idea Carriers were coming.. really? I think he was just going easy on Movie for that game. are you an idiot? when they switched to flash's first person view, you can clearly see the minimap doesn't show the bottom right's stargates, only the nexus and pylons and at that time, i think 2 carriers were already out | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On January 18 2010 05:48 prototype. wrote: are you an idiot? when they switched to flash's first person view, you can clearly see the minimap doesn't show the bottom right's stargates, only the nexus and pylons and at that time, i think 2 carriers were already out Yeah. This. Along with the fact that Flash absolutely could not counter it even if he knew it was coming. What's he going to do, switch over to mass gols while Movie still has a big ground army running around with plenty of storms? 3 base gols doesn't beat 5-6 base carriers with mass gateways. Flash lost that game when his tankline got broke extending to take his 4th. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On January 18 2010 05:55 StorkHwaiting wrote: Yeah. This. Along with the fact that Flash absolutely could not counter it even if he knew it was coming. What's he going to do, switch over to mass gols while Movie still has a big ground army running around with plenty of storms? 3 base gols doesn't beat 5-6 base carriers with mass gateways. Flash lost that game when his tankline got broke extending to take his 4th. Flash should of been more aggressive on EOTS, I don't know what he was thinking trying to turtle on that map. He should of went for a push after the failed recall attack. | ||
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Noxide
United States2870 Posts
On January 18 2010 04:59 StorkHwaiting wrote: This. It was a complete all-in where Movie put extra probes on gas and didn't expo to make that timing window. The LEAST he should have done was make Flash vacate one of his bases. Anything less than that was 100% GG. Best case scenario was taking out Flash's main and making him lift his facs or something insane like that. I think people need to go back and look at Stork vs Fantasy Incruit OSL if they want to see how an S-Class PvT plays the OSL finals. Look at how much damage Stork does in a non-all-in timing window with just 2 DTs and a shuttle. Then look at what Movie did and ask yourselves if there's any comparison at all. Game 3 Movie had a nice break at Flash's 4th. It was the one time that entire series I saw Movie attacking at a good angle. Which isn't hard to do on Eye of the Storm where Flash had to turtle in a straight line down an entire map. (AKA not possible). After that, Movie rode his supply advantage to mass carriers, which was a smart thing to do but nothing exceptional. It's a pretty easy decision to make when you're on 5 bases and the other guy's on 3. Flash might not have known carriers were coming, but he also couldn't really afford to build 2 rounds of gols "just in case." He's down 20 supply and bases and used up his scans defending vs arbs. He can't scout and can't afford to coin flip macro at that point. It was solid good play from Movie, but it was in no way exceptional, genius, star sense etc. I was looking forward to this series. I wanted to see Movie come out and do something interesting. But I am astounded when people are actually making comparisons like Movie has the "potential" to be better PvT than TaekBang. Standards must be getting extremely low nowadays. Everywhere I look, people are suddenly becoming S-class when they take a game off an S-class player or pump wins off B-teamers for awhile (a la Leta). Respect the TaekBangLeeSsang. There's a reason only 4 players are respected at that level. I think Movie will be a great protoss coming up and honestly if it weren't for nerves of being in such a tourney for the first time, he would have had a far better shot. Besides he took one game off Flash, which Stork failed to do in their osl finals. | ||
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FusionCutter
Canada974 Posts
On January 18 2010 05:55 StorkHwaiting wrote: Yeah. This. Along with the fact that Flash absolutely could not counter it even if he knew it was coming. What's he going to do, switch over to mass gols while Movie still has a big ground army running around with plenty of storms? 3 base gols doesn't beat 5-6 base carriers with mass gateways. Flash lost that game when his tankline got broke extending to take his 4th. Thanks for clarification! | ||
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