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[OSL] EVER 2009 OSL Grand Final - Flash vs Movie - Page 188

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Lurker87
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States172 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-17 17:24:23
January 17 2010 17:20 GMT
#3741
On January 17 2010 20:12 Mooncat wrote:

Totally inaccurate.
Movies going for a risky 12 Nexus. Flash scouts it pretty late, but since he has balls of steels, he boldly takes some SCVs, Rines, and a vulture, pwns the fuck out of the expansion putting up a bunker and destroying it completely. Some minutes later he makes a push and finishes Movie off.



Yeah, I was thinking that Movie would get his goons there in time to hold it off, actually. He got Flash to pull off the bunk for a little bit, resulting in it being destroyed, but I think if Flash hadn't reacted so ridiculously fast, losing mere seconds, Movie would have had the defenses from goon to hold back the push. When Flash scouted wrong way, I was thinking "Omg, this could end up being a 2-2...". Flash's instincts to go in immediately were amazing. If Movie had microed better, I think he could have held it off till his goon came.

I'm still so proud of Movie. He did some amazing openings, but just never could turn the advantages in the first two games into a decisive win. I guess that only further shows that the right player won.




On January 18 2010 01:32 Piste wrote:
Argh I decided to stay up and drink huge amounts of coffee and hope for the best :D

[image loading]


GOD DAMNIT slept over the finals...



Lol, I set my alarm for 1:55 AM, and took a one and a half hour nap. And that still barely helped lol, as I fell asleep for half of match 3.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
January 17 2010 17:25 GMT
#3742
2 am isn't even late
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
bluetrolls
Profile Joined October 2009
United States139 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-17 17:28:53
January 17 2010 17:28 GMT
#3743
On January 18 2010 01:51 SuperArc wrote:
I like how you didnt mention game 3 at all.


Game3. (T)Flash fails to scout carriers and gets owned by them. The real deal is in the mind games: why did (T)Flash not sense the carrier switch? That's as much a glimpse into (P)Movie's high level potential as it is a testament to (T)Flash's brilliance: everyone expects (T)Flash to have perfect game sense.
YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
January 17 2010 17:40 GMT
#3744
where is the VOD of the first game on heartbreaker.
sMi.Gladstone | BW: B high| SC2: gold T_T
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
January 17 2010 17:56 GMT
#3745
I thought that was overall a pretty intense finals, apart from game 1. Flash definitely brought his game, and Movie played like he would on a good day. However, he did make major mistakes such as not killing the SCV constructing the turret and coordinating his attacks. Flash would've still probably won but it would've been more exciting.
Jaedong
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-17 18:27:20
January 17 2010 17:59 GMT
#3746
Didn't manage to get up at 4:00 am

Just watched the series and:
Movie played well but the way I hate the most. Gas steal, 12 nex, proxy robo, dt + reaver... Makes me cringe. Typical abuse of PvT. But I have to admit he played very well. His switch of strategy in game 1 was great. Going dt+reaver also was pretty good one but Flash defended soooo well... And the way Flash punished 12 nex was incerdible. I was sure it was too late for the rush but he still pulled it off.

So happy for Flash. You deserved it sooo much!

Edit: I forgot elevator in game 2...
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
January 17 2010 18:04 GMT
#3747
On January 18 2010 02:59 Lebesgue wrote:
Didn't manage to get up at 4:00 am

Just watched the series and:
Movie played well but the way I hate the most. Gas steal, 12 nex, proxy robo, dt + reaver... Makes me cringe. Typical abuse of PvT. But I have to admit he played very well. His switch of strategy in game 1 was great. Going dt+reaver also was pretty good one but Flash defended soooo well... And the way Flash punished 12 nex was incerdible. I was sure it was too late for the rush but he still pulled it off.

So happy for Flash. You deserved it sooo much!

Typical protoss abuse but he still failed to take down flash.
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
January 17 2010 18:12 GMT
#3748
On January 17 2010 20:18 alffla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2010 20:17 FireGuyX wrote:
On January 17 2010 20:15 VManOfMana wrote:
Flash should be making out with Nicole instead of that trophy :3



Are they seriously dating?


lol

nicole said she'd go on a date with him if he won


She's only dating winners, lol
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
January 17 2010 18:24 GMT
#3749
On January 18 2010 02:25 Zoler wrote:
2 am isn't even late


yeah! I stay up till 4+ AM to watch the TSL2 matches

I'm in Korea though so watching the OSL finals is no problem. Came on at almost 6 PM... definitely did not start at 5 lol
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
HnR)hT
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3468 Posts
January 17 2010 18:26 GMT
#3750
On January 18 2010 01:37 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Just saw it, and honestly it was a terrible series. Movie didn't have the mechanics whatsoever to break Flash's tank lines. He looked like a lost child out there getting pummeled in every single engagement.

I don't know how people are on here saying Movie played a great series or that he'll surpass the other P's. He didn't show anything tonight that stood out in any way, shape, or form. These were the fking OSL Finals and that guy did not step his game up.

I especially liked how he suicided about 90 supply straight at Flash's sim city in Game 1 as soon as he got 200/200. Apparently, he's from the P school of 1a2a3a. Then he recalled two armies in Flash's base without any frontal diversion just to watch them get slaughtered.

Game 2 He tried for shuttle reaver/dt imba combo, got pretty much nothing out of it other than delaying mines, and then flailed about for a few more minutes before he got owned. Highlight of this game was watching Movie build 5 templars and manage to get off 0 storms in the fight. Pretty solid PvT there. I'm sure he's going to surpass Stork/Bisu any day now.

I agree. Game 3 was the only time when Movie really surpassed my expectations of him. I have watched too many of his PvT's where he gets a spacious economic lead, and proceeds to lose after suiciding army after army to marginal effect. Obviously he tried very hard here, but it's just as obvious that Stork or Bisu would have done better (contrary to what some are saying).
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 17 2010 18:30 GMT
#3751
On January 18 2010 03:24 Silentness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2010 02:25 Zoler wrote:
2 am isn't even late


yeah! I stay up till 4+ AM to watch the TSL2 matches

I'm in Korea though so watching the OSL finals is no problem. Came on at almost 6 PM... definitely did not start at 5 lol

I stayed up until 1pm to watch the OSL finals. beat that? =o
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-17 18:34:31
January 17 2010 18:31 GMT
#3752
Yeah, Stork/Bisu would've done better, but would they have shown the creative builds Movie used in the first two games? Flash would've probably lost with Movie's strategies and Stork/Bisu's execution, but that's just how scary Flash is, a complete player. Flash handled Movie's double nexus really well, especially because he scouted last. Hopefully protoss will stop using that build.
Jaedong
Titanidis
Profile Joined April 2006
Greece132 Posts
January 17 2010 18:34 GMT
#3753
I saw again game 4 and it seems to me that flash heads to the right location before he can see the probe coming, any reasons why he could possibly to do this or just star sense?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 17 2010 18:39 GMT
#3754
On January 18 2010 03:31 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Yeah, Stork/Bisu would've done better, but would they have shown the creative builds Movie used in the first two games? Flash would've probably lost with Movie's strategies and Stork/Bisu's execution, but that's just how scary Flash is, a complete player. Flash handled Movie's double nexus really well, especially because he scouted last. Hopefully protoss will stop using that build.

The gas steal into reavers in game 1? Stork does that often, but I don't think it was anything special?

Game 2? The build was absolutely terrible.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
January 17 2010 18:41 GMT
#3755
Fail. i fail i fail i fail i fail. -_______________-
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-17 18:44:41
January 17 2010 18:44 GMT
#3756
On January 18 2010 03:39 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2010 03:31 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Yeah, Stork/Bisu would've done better, but would they have shown the creative builds Movie used in the first two games? Flash would've probably lost with Movie's strategies and Stork/Bisu's execution, but that's just how scary Flash is, a complete player. Flash handled Movie's double nexus really well, especially because he scouted last. Hopefully protoss will stop using that build.

The gas steal into reavers in game 1? Stork does that often, but I don't think it was anything special?

Game 2? The build was absolutely terrible.


It was goddamn cheesy but terrible. Idk... If he managed to pull out one or two storms he would have won. The thing is that Flash saw HTs and used the timing window before HTs had enough energy for the storm. I'm sure P on ICCup will use this build to make Terran players cry more about the TvP imbalance
Saturnize
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2473 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-17 18:53:06
January 17 2010 18:48 GMT
#3757
I am so lucky i live on the west coast 12:00 AM is cake :D
"Time to put the mustard on the hotdog. -_-"
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
January 17 2010 18:48 GMT
#3758
On January 18 2010 03:12 Lebesgue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2010 20:18 alffla wrote:
On January 17 2010 20:17 FireGuyX wrote:
On January 17 2010 20:15 VManOfMana wrote:
Flash should be making out with Nicole instead of that trophy :3



Are they seriously dating?


lol

nicole said she'd go on a date with him if he won


She's only dating winners, lol


lol, really? That's funny...
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 17 2010 18:49 GMT
#3759
On January 18 2010 03:44 Lebesgue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2010 03:39 Shikyo wrote:
On January 18 2010 03:31 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Yeah, Stork/Bisu would've done better, but would they have shown the creative builds Movie used in the first two games? Flash would've probably lost with Movie's strategies and Stork/Bisu's execution, but that's just how scary Flash is, a complete player. Flash handled Movie's double nexus really well, especially because he scouted last. Hopefully protoss will stop using that build.

The gas steal into reavers in game 1? Stork does that often, but I don't think it was anything special?

Game 2? The build was absolutely terrible.


It was goddamn cheesy but terrible. Idk... If he managed to pull out one or two storms he would have won. The thing is that Flash saw HTs and used the timing window before HTs had enough energy for the storm. I'm sure P on ICCup will use this build to make Terran players cry more about the TvP imbalance

One base. Robo with Reavers, Shuttle, DT, and you want storm? The thing is, Flash was on 50 supply 2 bases and he was on barely 40 supply 1 base when he came in with his reaver. The moment his build didn't KILL flash, he had lost the game. Even if the attack of Flash would have gotten destroyed(it wouldn't have). There's a reason you don't see the build.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
January 17 2010 18:49 GMT
#3760
On January 18 2010 03:48 Saturnize wrote:
I am so lucky i live on the west coast 12:00 is cake :D


I've got both the OSL & MSL finals at 09:00 am, and both on weekends.
I'm good.
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