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StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
January 17 2010 21:19 GMT
#3781
On January 18 2010 05:58 Noxide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2010 04:59 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On January 18 2010 03:49 Shikyo wrote:
On January 18 2010 03:44 Lebesgue wrote:
On January 18 2010 03:39 Shikyo wrote:
On January 18 2010 03:31 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Yeah, Stork/Bisu would've done better, but would they have shown the creative builds Movie used in the first two games? Flash would've probably lost with Movie's strategies and Stork/Bisu's execution, but that's just how scary Flash is, a complete player. Flash handled Movie's double nexus really well, especially because he scouted last. Hopefully protoss will stop using that build.

The gas steal into reavers in game 1? Stork does that often, but I don't think it was anything special?

Game 2? The build was absolutely terrible.


It was goddamn cheesy but terrible. Idk... If he managed to pull out one or two storms he would have won. The thing is that Flash saw HTs and used the timing window before HTs had enough energy for the storm. I'm sure P on ICCup will use this build to make Terran players cry more about the TvP imbalance

One base. Robo with Reavers, Shuttle, DT, and you want storm? The thing is, Flash was on 50 supply 2 bases and he was on barely 40 supply 1 base when he came in with his reaver. The moment his build didn't KILL flash, he had lost the game. Even if the attack of Flash would have gotten destroyed(it wouldn't have). There's a reason you don't see the build.


This. It was a complete all-in where Movie put extra probes on gas and didn't expo to make that timing window. The LEAST he should have done was make Flash vacate one of his bases. Anything less than that was 100% GG. Best case scenario was taking out Flash's main and making him lift his facs or something insane like that.

I think people need to go back and look at Stork vs Fantasy Incruit OSL if they want to see how an S-Class PvT plays the OSL finals. Look at how much damage Stork does in a non-all-in timing window with just 2 DTs and a shuttle.

Then look at what Movie did and ask yourselves if there's any comparison at all.

Game 3 Movie had a nice break at Flash's 4th. It was the one time that entire series I saw Movie attacking at a good angle. Which isn't hard to do on Eye of the Storm where Flash had to turtle in a straight line down an entire map. (AKA not possible). After that, Movie rode his supply advantage to mass carriers, which was a smart thing to do but nothing exceptional. It's a pretty easy decision to make when you're on 5 bases and the other guy's on 3.

Flash might not have known carriers were coming, but he also couldn't really afford to build 2 rounds of gols "just in case." He's down 20 supply and bases and used up his scans defending vs arbs. He can't scout and can't afford to coin flip macro at that point. It was solid good play from Movie, but it was in no way exceptional, genius, star sense etc.

I was looking forward to this series. I wanted to see Movie come out and do something interesting. But I am astounded when people are actually making comparisons like Movie has the "potential" to be better PvT than TaekBang. Standards must be getting extremely low nowadays. Everywhere I look, people are suddenly becoming S-class when they take a game off an S-class player or pump wins off B-teamers for awhile (a la Leta).

Respect the TaekBangLeeSsang. There's a reason only 4 players are respected at that level.


I think Movie will be a great protoss coming up and honestly if it weren't for nerves of being in such a tourney for the first time, he would have had a far better shot. Besides he took one game off Flash, which Stork failed to do in their osl finals.


That's probably the most shallow analysis one could make about SC.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
January 17 2010 21:20 GMT
#3782
Yeah, Flash didn't recently revolutionize TvP again to the point where Movie was forced to play counter-revolutionary, only to get counter-counter-revolutioned.

@@
Remember Violet.
thestool91
Profile Joined August 2007
672 Posts
January 17 2010 21:29 GMT
#3783
hey i got a question for all. i was watching the first set and on jon747's video at 16:30, the zealot gets hit by a mine and as a result gets 0 health and 0 shield. obviously according to the game the zsealot didnt die but shouldnt it?
the dreamer, mantoss, storm zerg, the cowboy, the spark terran, the ultimate weapon...what more can i say? GO KTF
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
January 17 2010 21:39 GMT
#3784
On January 18 2010 06:29 thestool91 wrote:
hey i got a question for all. i was watching the first set and on jon747's video at 16:30, the zealot gets hit by a mine and as a result gets 0 health and 0 shield. obviously according to the game the zsealot didnt die but shouldnt it?


I watched it again just now, it does look like 0/100 health... weird. Maybe it was 8/100 or 6/100 but due to video quality it looks like zero, or maybe it was actually 0. The fact that the broadcasters checked zealot's hp and left the view on that zealot for a while (until it died) implies that it was an unusual occurrence after all.
[TLMS] REBOOT
constantine
Profile Joined June 2009
Bulgaria49 Posts
January 17 2010 21:52 GMT
#3785
On January 18 2010 03:12 Lebesgue wrote:
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On January 17 2010 20:18 alffla wrote:
On January 17 2010 20:17 FireGuyX wrote:
On January 17 2010 20:15 VManOfMana wrote:
Flash should be making out with Nicole instead of that trophy :3



Are they seriously dating?


lol

nicole said she'd go on a date with him if he won


She's only dating winners, lol


Imagine her dumping Flash for Jaedong after the MSL finals lol
"Stick them with the pointy end."
CapO
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1615 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-17 21:55:28
January 17 2010 21:53 GMT
#3786
flash is the new bonjwa now.. hes untouchable.

i wish to see that flash bunker rush the crap outta jaedong in the finals. 3:0. learn to scout, zerg!
SNSD fan
thinkzerg
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada162 Posts
January 17 2010 21:56 GMT
#3787
Congrats Flash.

And thank you Movie for obviously preparing very hard, and giving us a good show.
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
January 17 2010 22:19 GMT
#3788
That was soo easy.
wishbones
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada2600 Posts
January 17 2010 22:35 GMT
#3789
are there any youtube's of this yet, i don't want to download.
joined TL.net in 2006 (aka GMer) - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=41944#2
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 17 2010 22:56 GMT
#3790
On January 18 2010 07:35 wishbones wrote:
are there any youtube's of this yet, i don't want to download.


http://www.youtube.com/user/Jon747

Check his account, they're up now
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
January 17 2010 22:58 GMT
#3791
On January 18 2010 07:35 wishbones wrote:
are there any youtube's of this yet, i don't want to download.

How do you not know of Jon747 and nevake T___T
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
January 17 2010 23:08 GMT
#3792
Congrats Flash...Movie, you're still a baller keep it real man.
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
January 17 2010 23:08 GMT
#3793
On January 18 2010 07:35 wishbones wrote:
are there any youtube's of this yet, i don't want to download.

You realize when you're viewing videos you're essentially downloading them?
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
January 17 2010 23:09 GMT
#3794
I don't think he cares about moral stipulations, just that streaming is usually faster than downloading.
Jaedong
BraveNewWorld
Profile Joined December 2009
United States229 Posts
January 17 2010 23:21 GMT
#3795
On January 18 2010 08:08 Sadistx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2010 07:35 wishbones wrote:
are there any youtube's of this yet, i don't want to download.

You realize when you're viewing videos you're essentially downloading them?


that's a stream

you're downloading bandwidth.
"who is bisu anyway" - torm3ntin (Jan. 19th, 2009)
yes9111
Profile Joined May 2009
United States420 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-17 23:28:33
January 17 2010 23:27 GMT
#3796
MOVIEEEEEEEEEE NOOOOO
Very fun finals to watch. One of the best in the past year I think. JD vs Flash better top this! And this might be the longest LR thread as yet? 190 pages damn.

btw anyone know where I can watch the post-match interviews and stuff?
STORK WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
January 17 2010 23:32 GMT
#3797
On January 18 2010 08:21 BraveNewWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2010 08:08 Sadistx wrote:
On January 18 2010 07:35 wishbones wrote:
are there any youtube's of this yet, i don't want to download.

You realize when you're viewing videos you're essentially downloading them?


that's a stream

you're downloading bandwidth.

..............
ModeratorGood content always wins.
malathion
Profile Joined March 2009
United States361 Posts
January 17 2010 23:33 GMT
#3798
On January 18 2010 08:21 BraveNewWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2010 08:08 Sadistx wrote:
On January 18 2010 07:35 wishbones wrote:
are there any youtube's of this yet, i don't want to download.

You realize when you're viewing videos you're essentially downloading them?


that's a stream

you're downloading bandwidth.

My brain just shriveled up and died
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
January 17 2010 23:47 GMT
#3799
On January 18 2010 08:33 malathion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2010 08:21 BraveNewWorld wrote:
On January 18 2010 08:08 Sadistx wrote:
On January 18 2010 07:35 wishbones wrote:
are there any youtube's of this yet, i don't want to download.

You realize when you're viewing videos you're essentially downloading them?


that's a stream

you're downloading bandwidth.

My brain just shriveled up and died

That's okay, you can always download more brainwidth.
My strategy is to fork people.
theSAiNT
Profile Joined July 2009
United States726 Posts
January 17 2010 23:49 GMT
#3800
Anyone got a working link for games 1 and 3?

Or somewhere to download a vod of the english commentary? Sorry I haven't gone through all the comments in fear of spoilers but I basically know what happened anyway. Was hoping you could update first post
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