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malathion
United States362 Posts
On January 18 2010 12:25 3 Lions wrote: Imo Protoss looks something like this to me atm... 1. Stork 2. Bisu 3. Movie 4. Jangbi 5. Kal Ranking Kal under Jangbi makes no sense whatsoever He's #6 overall, how can he be 5th on a list of Ps | ||
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Gann1
United States1578 Posts
On January 18 2010 12:25 3 Lions wrote: Imo Protoss looks something like this to me atm... 1. Stork 2. Bisu 3. Movie 4. Jangbi 5. Kal I'd switch Kal and Jangbi, but other than that i agree | ||
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m3rciless
United States1476 Posts
On January 18 2010 13:08 malathion wrote: Ranking Kal under Jangbi makes no sense whatsoever He's #6 overall, how can he be 5th on a list of Ps Like that ranking means anything. Do you really think you can't name 6 players better than Kal? Didn't think so. | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
On January 18 2010 13:15 m3rciless wrote: Like that ranking means anything. Do you really think you can't name 6 players better than Kal? Didn't think so. ELO doesn't mean anything? At high levels, I trust ELO more than any other metric. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/detailed-elo | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
Movies pvt is certainly better then people give him credit for. He took a game off of Flash when Best couldn't and Best is known for his pvt. At the moment he's just a silver medalist just like the other dragons, well except for Bisu and Stork. Movie is filled with talent and potential. His macro/micro, game management, and aggressive offense combined with crazy builds is already better then most of the other dragons. He's already an s-class pvz player something most of the dragons are not good at. I want to see more games from Movie, he will be a force to reckon with next season. | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
imo: stork kal bisu jangbi violet movie best free | ||
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Sigh
Canada2433 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 18 2010 13:26 iamho wrote: movie is sooo overhyped. he took a game off flash because he got lucky and flash didnt scan right. he has one a-class matchup and two matchups that are mediocre on a good day imo: I love how people keep saying this. You think Flash is just going to happen to mis-scan? The only way he's not going to have enough scans is if Movie is actively forcing them to use them on battles, which is, guess what, EXACTLY what Movie did. Also, ranking Movie under someone who's never qualified for a league makes zero sense whatsoever. I like Violet and all, but when you never have to prepare for anything other than Proleague games, that generally tends to pad your stats. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On January 18 2010 13:21 FireGuyX wrote: I think Movie is going to be better then Kal soon. Kal is very good at pvp and pvt, but his pvz sucks compared to Movies. Movies pvt is certainly better then people give him credit for. He took a game off of Flash when Best couldn't and Best is known for his pvt. At the moment he's just a silver medalist just like the other dragons, well except for Bisu and Stork. Movie is filled with talent and potential, his macro/micro, game management, and aggressive offense is much better most Protoss. He's already an s-class pvz player something most of the dragons are not good at. I want to see more games from Movie, he will be a force to reckon with next season. God. I don't mean to be rude but you need to just stop FireGuy. You take a dookie in every thread with your Movie fanboyism, then turn around and admit you don't know much about SC in the next post. He's not an s-class player. He's got good game sense and solid macro but gets very sloppy a lot of the time. He doesn't have any of the matchups down to a science. Just because he beat JD a few times and took out Shine doesn't automatically make him S-class. People need to stop throwing around the term S-class at everything. It cheapens it. | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
I love how people keep saying this. You think Flash is just going to happen to mis-scan? The only way he's not going to have enough scans is if Movie is actively forcing them to use them on battles, which is, guess what, EXACTLY what Movie did. every pvt forces the terran to waste scans, movie did nothing special. flash did scan movies base plenty of times, in fact the obs even showed it on fpview. Also, ranking Movie under someone who's never qualified for a league makes zero sense whatsoever. I like Violet and all, but when you never have to prepare for anything other than Proleague games, that generally tends to pad your stats. how far has movie made it into any other sl? he just got lucky that he managed to get to the finals playing almost all pvzs, and pvts and pvps only against bad players | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
He's a good player though, I'll definitely be watching his Proleague games to see how he does. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On January 18 2010 13:36 StorkHwaiting wrote: God. I don't mean to be rude but you need to just stop FireGuy. You take a dookie in every thread with your Movie fanboyism, then turn around and admit you don't know much about SC in the next post. He's not an s-class player. He's got good game sense and solid macro but gets very sloppy a lot of the time. He doesn't have any of the matchups down to a science. Just because he beat JD a few times and took out Shine doesn't automatically make him S-class. People need to stop throwing around the term S-class at everything. It cheapens it. Well you were rude and you won't stop me from posting. Yeah I'm a Movie fan, but hey your a Stork fanboy and you seem to be blind towards his weaknesses. I thought he was impressive against Flash even you have to admit that. I think Movie is very creative with his micro (see game 2) with his Shuttle/DTS/Reaver attack, something you don't see often. And I'm using Flash as a gauge on how good Movie is, and remember Jaedong, Calm, BeSt, and Zero all got smoked by him. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On January 18 2010 11:04 esla_sol wrote: you are just looking at surface level what happened. high level thought was that movie expected flash to see the proxy robo, and movie expected flash to waste resources on turrets for a drop which never came. this was a brilliant move and did in fact put movie ahead at that point in the game. the proxy robo also allowed movie to sneak in observers into flash's base. it was a great build but unfortunately movie just didnt have the mechanics/where with all to capitalize. i think in this series movie was most let down by his mechanics. Your analysis isn't "high level thought." It was obvious to everyone as evidenced by the LR thread. Because it was so obvious, I didn't find a need to write an entire paragraph explaining it. There's nothing shallow about my analysis. Flash made a choice to deny any chance of proxy reaver by building turrets. That's his turtling mentality at work. This allowed Movie to expand. Nothing I said was wrong. Movie doing the proxy allowed a smooth expand, but it was nothing genius or exceptional. Have you honestly never seen a fake proxy before or seen a player trick Flash into building more turrets? There was nothing brilliant about Movie's strat because he had no clue how to play the late game. Why would Movie go 4-5 base and then have no plan other than 200/200 1a2a3a and recalling endlessly into a mined up main? That's pretty much exactly what Best did and it failed miserably on a map that's slightly P favored and Movie going into it with a strong eco/supply advantage. Movie was let down by a number of things, his mechanics being only one of them. But game 1 wasn't lost on mechanics. It was lost due to sheer stupidity. Movie played that game thinking he could steamroll Flash's macro with +1 base. Good idea, Movie! | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 18 2010 13:41 iamho wrote: how far has movie made it into any other sl? he just got lucky that he managed to get to the finals playing almost all pvzs, and pvts and pvps only against bad players The thing is, it's not even about "going far". Violet has never qualified for a league, period. To rank a player so high that 1) has had virtually zero set game experience and 2) has never managed a schedule that seriously involved anything other than Proleague is premature. Movie has only gotten far in this OSL, but he's managed to qualify in both this MSL and in Avalon. | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
Unless he will deliver consistently I will consider him below usual 5 top tosses. He played a good series with some nice strats but that's it. Please don't read from it anything more than it is. Interesting thing, Movie's elo increased even though he lost 1:3  | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On January 18 2010 13:45 FireGuyX wrote: Well you were rude and you won't stop me from posting. Yeah I'm a Movie fan, but hey your a Stork fanboy and you seem to be blind towards his weaknesses. I thought he was impressive against Flash even you have to admit that. I think Movie is very creative with his micro (see game 2) with his Shuttle/DTS/Reaver attack, something you don't see often. And I'm using Flash as a gauge on how good Movie is, and remember Jaedong, Calm, BeSt, and Zero all got smoked by him. Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you should stop posting. Just that you should stop claiming Movie is an S-class player. I'm definitely a Stork fanboy, but I'm pretty clear-headed about his weaknesses. He has a bad PvZ with very little game sense. Movie has a nicer PvZ. This doesn't make Movie S-class though since Stork's PvZ is far from S-class. To be honest, I don't think Movie played impressively. I'm not saying this to be mean or spiteful towards Movie. He's a solid player with good potential. But let's not put the cart before the horse here. There was no point in that series that I felt the outcome was in question. This isn't me being biased. It's what was on the screen. Flash dominated game 1 when he was substantially behind. Game 2 was Movie using an all-in build that did virtually no damage and Flash didn't even have to work very hard at defending. Game 3 was a good break by Movie but mostly due to Flash using a turtling strat on a map that's terrible for it. Game 4 was Movie playing horribly inept vs a bunker rush. So all in all, what did Movie show? That he can lose a big lead? That he can't come up with good all-in builds? That he can break a seven tank line with 4-base macro? And that he can't defend a bunker rush? What part of that sequence of games made him look S-class or S-class potential? I'm just not seeing the hype. | ||
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
On January 18 2010 14:30 RoieTRS wrote: Flash was never behind game 1 early game he was behind Midgame he got back in the game | ||
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thinkzerg
Canada162 Posts
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
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