EPT[OSL] EVER 2009 OSL Grand Final - Flash vs Movie - Page 194
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Gann1
United States1575 Posts
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On January 18 2010 16:11 Gann1 wrote: you say that like M18M is bad (he's not) You have a point there, M18M played very well against Movie. | ||
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d3_crescentia
United States4054 Posts
Though, one more thing to consider... Movie's in the same clan as Flash, though perhaps in different generations. There's no reason why they shouldn't be friendly with each other. | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On January 18 2010 16:01 MrHoon wrote: So daily esports released an article about who Flash practiced with All KT Protosses and check it out, 3 Top Dragons!  Kal, Stork and JangBi have practiced with Flash rigorously for the finalyikes Amazing. Flash sure has some good contacts outside his team. | ||
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
i love you flash can't believe he cried im also really sad i didn't watch live  | ||
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weiliem
2071 Posts
On January 18 2010 14:42 iamho wrote: yeah Movie totally invented hallucination recalls, its not like we've Ever seen a protoss do that before Nal_rA invented it my friend..... go check out Nal_rA's previous replays..... | ||
KwarK
United States43211 Posts
On January 18 2010 17:47 weiliem wrote: Nal_rA invented it my friend..... go check out Nal_rA's previous replays..... he was being sarcastic. | ||
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weiliem
2071 Posts
Oh, haha, sry on that..... | ||
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Fx_
503 Posts
On January 17 2010 21:07 XiaoLongNuSucks wrote: Jaedong's gonna have a harder time then the last time he played against Flash in the OSL 'cause this 2nd major title has taken a lot of pressure off of Flash, allowing him to enter the MSL finals without much strain and anxiety, which imo will make his already unpredictable vZ play style even more dangerous. But Jaedong's almost never lost a bo5 though so I hope he'll manage to pull off a 3 - 2 win. forGG 3-0 Forgot? | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On January 18 2010 18:08 Avidkeystamper wrote: So which part of the word "almost" are you having trouble with? The "almost" part. | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
Oh by the way, in that 4th final, Stork also played terribly in 2 of the 5 games, and even in the 5th game that he won he managed not to scout the one expansion on the map where Fantasy had a hidden expo (he never even found it) in spite of being way ahead and checking for hidden expos repeatedly. Fortunately he was too far ahead to allow yet another 5th game choke job catch up to him. It's a good thing Flash GGPlayed himself out of that OSl because he would have beaten Fantasy in the BO5 and Stork too. My point is simply this - Stork was an S-class player when he lost to Bisu (the legendary goon range game is an all time great game 5 choke job), he was an S-class player when he got crushed by Jaedong, and he was an S-class player when he got absolutely MURDERED by Flash. Movie is not an S-class player yet in my opinion, but to base that off of not playing perfectly in a final and acting as if Stork and Bisu would have is ridiculous. Especially STORK who choked away THREE finals in which he came in as probably the favorite. Stork is a great player but if anything he is proof that just because you're an elite S-class player doesn't mean you're immune to playing well below (or in Stork's case, well, well, well, well, well below) your level in a final. I didn't even get into Bisu vs Mind.... | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Movie displayed some sick, sick, sick PvT this series. His PvT is not weak and it's definitely above average - he came into this series on a 5-0 streak. Just give the guys his due and move on. Also obviously NO ONE is, or should be saying Movie has better PvT than Stork, Bisu or Jangbi (when he's rocking). But Movie is definitely top 3 Protoss at the moment because results matter. | ||
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Gann1
United States1575 Posts
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Noah
Norway164 Posts
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esla_sol
United States756 Posts
first you say movie's build was nothing special blah blah blah, then you claim later that flash was "substanially behind." which is it? | ||
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johanes
Czech Republic2229 Posts
On January 18 2010 16:30 Lebesgue wrote: Amazing. Flash sure has some good contacts outside his team. I don't think that there is something reallyyamazing. If you were Stork or Jangbi, wouldnt you want to practice with best terran? | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On January 18 2010 18:16 darktreb wrote: I love how StorkHwaiting loves Stork so much that he forgets how TERRIBLE Stork played (if you can even call it that) in three finals until finally salvaging a 4th. Oh by the way, in that 4th final, Stork also played terribly in 2 of the 5 games, and even in the 5th game that he won he managed not to scout the one expansion on the map where Fantasy had a hidden expo (he never even found it) in spite of being way ahead and checking for hidden expos repeatedly. Fortunately he was too far ahead to allow yet another 5th game choke job catch up to him. It's a good thing Flash GGPlayed himself out of that OSl because he would have beaten Fantasy in the BO5 and Stork too. My point is simply this - Stork was an S-class player when he lost to Bisu (the legendary goon range game is an all time great game 5 choke job), he was an S-class player when he got crushed by Jaedong, and he was an S-class player when he got absolutely MURDERED by Flash. Movie is not an S-class player yet in my opinion, but to base that off of not playing perfectly in a final and acting as if Stork and Bisu would have is ridiculous. Especially STORK who choked away THREE finals in which he came in as probably the favorite. Stork is a great player but if anything he is proof that just because you're an elite S-class player doesn't mean you're immune to playing well below (or in Stork's case, well, well, well, well, well below) your level in a final. I didn't even get into Bisu vs Mind.... Movie didn't even make it to game 5. What are you talking about? Also, Stork didn't play terrible in 2 of the 5 games. He got caught by strats he wasn't prepared for. It happens to anyone in a bo5. Your point should be this. Stork vs Bisu was close. Stork vs JD was close. Stork vs Flash was not at all close, but it was because Stork and Flash had just played a very close series in the Star Invitational. Stork went into the OSL finals so screwed in the head by Flash's mind games. And Stork vs Fantasy was close, with Stork prevailing. Since then, Fantasy has more than shown he is a legit top tier player. So all you've really done is say Stork played plenty of close series versus other S-class players but lost due to a few dumb mistakes that were out of character. Movie vs Flash on the other hand wasn't lost on one crucial choke mistake or obviously playing below Movie's normal skill level. Does anyone here think Movie choked? I doubt it. He just played at his normal level and got curbstomped. That's the difference. Movie is NOT a great player and he wasn't playing well below his level in the finals. He was playing the same as he always does in his PvT's and stinking butt. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On January 18 2010 19:48 Ace wrote: totally agree with darktreb. It's like if any other Protoss player not named Stork or Bisu or a Dragon does well you all come flaming the guy. Movie displayed some sick, sick, sick PvT this series. His PvT is not weak and it's definitely above average - he came into this series on a 5-0 streak. Just give the guys his due and move on. Also obviously NO ONE is, or should be saying Movie has better PvT than Stork, Bisu or Jangbi (when he's rocking). But Movie is definitely top 3 Protoss at the moment because results matter. Look back in the thread. That's exactly what some people ARE saying. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On January 19 2010 01:29 StorkHwaiting wrote: Movie didn't even make it to game 5. What are you talking about? Also, Stork didn't play terrible in 2 of the 5 games. He got caught by strats he wasn't prepared for. It happens to anyone in a bo5. Your point should be this. Stork vs Bisu was close. Stork vs JD was close. Stork vs Flash was not at all close, but it was because Stork and Flash had just played a very close series in the Star Invitational. Stork went into the OSL finals so screwed in the head by Flash's mind games. And Stork vs Fantasy was close, with Stork prevailing. Since then, Fantasy has more than shown he is a legit top tier player. So all you've really done is say Stork played plenty of close series versus other S-class players but lost due to a few dumb mistakes that were out of character. Movie vs Flash on the other hand wasn't lost on one crucial choke mistake or obviously playing below Movie's normal skill level. Does anyone here think Movie choked? I doubt it. He just played at his normal level and got curbstomped. That's the difference. Movie is NOT a great player and he wasn't playing well below his level in the finals. He was playing the same as he always does in his PvT's and stinking butt. he did not play at his normal level. his normal level is sub 50 percent winning rate against Terran; he played against the best player on the earth and showed amazing play in 2 out of the 4 games (games 1 and 3). he was not curbstomped; that is your non-authoritative opinion that you're asserting for whatever biased reason. most people, including the commentators as well as flash, found his play to be high level. and it's fine that you have an opinion, but to assert it as some sort of fact is idiotic; you are not the lone genius withstanding the mob of ignorance -- in this case you are wrong. | ||
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