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[OSL] EVER 2009 OSL Grand Final - Flash vs Movie - Page 186

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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
January 17 2010 12:47 GMT
#3701
On January 17 2010 21:43 MrHoon wrote:
Movie could've blocked that Bunker Rush easily if he didn't mis-micro so badly

I mean goddamn what was that shit


Dunno if that'd have been "easy" but he definitely could have blocked it. Or at least just pull a Bisu, let the bunker go up/kill the nexus and save the probes while going range, then double expand.

I was really really disappointed in Movie's execution of just about anything he tried to accomplish during this series.
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Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
January 17 2010 12:49 GMT
#3702
On January 17 2010 21:43 MrHoon wrote:
Movie could've blocked that Bunker Rush easily if he didn't mis-micro so badly

I mean goddamn what was that shit


What looks like mis-micro is often times just the opponent microing way better, which was the case this time imo.

"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
Ricjames
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Czech Republic1047 Posts
January 17 2010 12:50 GMT
#3703
On January 17 2010 21:43 MrHoon wrote:
Movie could've blocked that Bunker Rush easily if he didn't mis-micro so badly

I mean goddamn what was that shit


exactly my thoughts ... I think Movie just didn't have what it takes to take down Flash in PvT. And i think early game recall when expected is weak as hell, better to wait till late game and then use multiple recalling and stuff
Brood War is the best RTS that has ever been created.
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
January 17 2010 12:52 GMT
#3704
On January 17 2010 21:41 Chen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2010 21:37 FireGuyX wrote:
On January 17 2010 21:35 Severedevil wrote:
On January 17 2010 21:28 FireGuyX wrote:
It still amazes me how Flash was so confident cheesing, against Protoss too. After losing in game 3, I was thinking Flash was going to play standard and do a two-base timing attack like he did against Stork, but not he did a bunker rush as if he knew it was going to work.

Didn't he scout Movie's fast nexus before he committed to the bunker rush? In that circumstance it's not cheesy at all.



Oh that's what happened, I didn't see the 4th set, I had to read summery of the game, I'm trying to imagine what happened.

why would you assume anything else? when would you ever bunker rush a protoss other than a 12-nex situation?



Sorry I'm not familiar with the mechanics of SC. I have played enough BW to know what's going on.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
January 17 2010 12:52 GMT
#3705
Movie's game needs more refinement, like SkyHigh. Whether or not he can keep up the pace and become a great player or slump, like Skyhigh, is yet to be seen.

The main problem with Protosses seems to be you can't reach elite levels at PvZ and PvT at the same time. I suppose they'd have to just be lucky and be strong vs the other race that's currently dominating.
Marines > everything
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
January 17 2010 12:55 GMT
#3706
On January 17 2010 21:52 FireGuyX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2010 21:41 Chen wrote:
On January 17 2010 21:37 FireGuyX wrote:
On January 17 2010 21:35 Severedevil wrote:
On January 17 2010 21:28 FireGuyX wrote:
It still amazes me how Flash was so confident cheesing, against Protoss too. After losing in game 3, I was thinking Flash was going to play standard and do a two-base timing attack like he did against Stork, but not he did a bunker rush as if he knew it was going to work.

Didn't he scout Movie's fast nexus before he committed to the bunker rush? In that circumstance it's not cheesy at all.



Oh that's what happened, I didn't see the 4th set, I had to read summery of the game, I'm trying to imagine what happened.

why would you assume anything else? when would you ever bunker rush a protoss other than a 12-nex situation?



Sorry I'm not familiar with the mechanics of SC. I have played enough BW to know what's going on.


Still you have 836 posts
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
January 17 2010 13:02 GMT
#3707
Fuck Carrier Kim.
Why'd you have to pick Movie?
God! PLEASE! Tell me WHY?

=(
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-17 13:08:46
January 17 2010 13:07 GMT
#3708
On January 17 2010 21:55 Zoler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2010 21:52 FireGuyX wrote:
On January 17 2010 21:41 Chen wrote:
On January 17 2010 21:37 FireGuyX wrote:
On January 17 2010 21:35 Severedevil wrote:
On January 17 2010 21:28 FireGuyX wrote:
It still amazes me how Flash was so confident cheesing, against Protoss too. After losing in game 3, I was thinking Flash was going to play standard and do a two-base timing attack like he did against Stork, but not he did a bunker rush as if he knew it was going to work.

Didn't he scout Movie's fast nexus before he committed to the bunker rush? In that circumstance it's not cheesy at all.



Oh that's what happened, I didn't see the 4th set, I had to read summery of the game, I'm trying to imagine what happened.

why would you assume anything else? when would you ever bunker rush a protoss other than a 12-nex situation?



Sorry I'm not familiar with the mechanics of SC. I have played enough BW to know what's going on.


Still you have 836 posts

so does ver
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Pads
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
England3228 Posts
January 17 2010 13:13 GMT
#3709
Grats FlaSh.
#1 Kwanro[saM] fan!
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
January 17 2010 13:13 GMT
#3710
On January 17 2010 21:47 Emon_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2010 21:35 Holgerius wrote:
Stop calling any attempt to punish a Toss for 12 Nex cheese.


Quoted for truth.

Terran will usually counter with a bunker and take the nexus out - bunker costs 150, 4 marines = 200 + 4 scvs and the mining time they lose = ~900minerals lost in the end. Thats a good trade for the original 400 that the nexus cost.

Now, if you try to defend the nexus with probes and dragoons and lose them along with the nexus. . . thats another story.

Flash vs. Jaedong will be epic in a week


No, it's not a good trade. The reason Terran has to do this is because otherwise, he would be too far behind economically.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
kyzers0ze
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Singapore1073 Posts
January 17 2010 13:23 GMT
#3711
On January 17 2010 22:02 SuperJongMan wrote:
Fuck Carrier Kim.
Why'd you have to pick Movie?
God! PLEASE! Tell me WHY?

=(

just as planned
8==========))
11cc
Profile Joined May 2008
Finland561 Posts
January 17 2010 13:33 GMT
#3712
On January 17 2010 21:47 Emon_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2010 21:35 Holgerius wrote:
Stop calling any attempt to punish a Toss for 12 Nex cheese.


Quoted for truth.

Terran will usually counter with a bunker and take the nexus out - bunker costs 150, 4 marines = 200 + 4 scvs and the mining time they lose = ~900minerals lost in the end. Thats a good trade for the original 400 that the nexus cost.

Now, if you try to defend the nexus with probes and dragoons and lose them along with the nexus. . . thats another story.

Flash vs. Jaedong will be epic in a week


If protoss doesnt try to defend, those 900 minerals worth of units and bunker arent lost. The bunker is still there. Terran usually makes marines anyway and they aren't "lost" like the 400 minerals for the nexus which gets destroyed. You lose some mining time, but you can expand before toss and you'll have a bunker in his natural. Seems pretty good trade for the terran imo
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 17 2010 13:44 GMT
#3713
Btw, I love how Flash has started using 1 Rax FE so much recently. Awesome build.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Vic.nQQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Bulgaria88 Posts
January 17 2010 13:54 GMT
#3714
On January 17 2010 21:47 PoP wrote:

I was really really disappointed in Movie's execution of just about anything he tried to accomplish during this series.



IMO Movie played great. I mean he played against pretty much the best progamer atm, being a potential Royal Roader, so he had no experience whatsoever with big tournaments! And all games he did a ton of good stuff, putting him ahead very often, and you can't say that Flash had a walkover in any of the games (except the 4th ofc).

I think that if Movie doesn't get depressed over this loss and continues to play and improve just a little bit, he'll soon become the best protoss, surpassing the current top P players.
I believe!
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
January 17 2010 14:01 GMT
#3715
I'm late, but I just wanna say...

CONGRATULATIONS FLASH!
Forever the best, IMMvp <3
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
January 17 2010 14:02 GMT
#3716
Flash won quite easily
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
January 17 2010 14:28 GMT
#3717
FLASH <3333
:)
Jimtudor
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada259 Posts
January 17 2010 15:05 GMT
#3718
Congratulations Flash! We always knew you had the ability and mental fortitude to stand at the top again, make 2010 the year of Flash.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
January 17 2010 15:23 GMT
#3719
(T)Flash won, as expected, but it seems like (P)Movie acquitted himself pretty well, no?
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
January 17 2010 15:25 GMT
#3720
Now I am hyped for next week!
Flash --> 2 gold! 2 gold!
Go go! Flash Fighting!
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
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