EPT[MSL] Nate MSL Quarterfinals Day 2 - Page 107
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8551 Posts
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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nebffa
Australia776 Posts
hopefully it creates a really exciting semifinals | ||
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yhnmk
Canada630 Posts
On January 08 2010 09:02 Avidkeystamper wrote: Kwanro is good despite the rants of anti fans?Can't say I didn't see this coming with Flash bulldozing everything for the last few months. But Kwanro ez modes Light? What's with that. | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On January 08 2010 09:13 yhnmk wrote: Kwanro is good despite the rants of anti fans? Yeah but you'd really expect Light to give a much better fight than that. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8551 Posts
On January 08 2010 09:13 yhnmk wrote: Kwanro is good despite the rants of anti fans? Light's not bad either http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/109_Light/games/vs/Z | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On January 08 2010 02:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Well Leta/EffOrt aren't the youngest players to ever win a Starleague, nor did they utterly revolutionize a match-up (TvP) and set trends in other match-ups. This isn't the first time Flash has been dominating in his short career, and even during his "slumps" he has been the number one or two terran since almost the beginning of his career. People seem to forget how important the double armory build was and still is. that's not a flash invention am i really gonna have to educate everyone as to what the "Flash Build" is? | ||
Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
FakeSteve: I'd be interested to know the origins of the double armory build. | ||
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t_co
United States702 Posts
On January 08 2010 09:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: that's not a flash invention am i really gonna have to educate everyone as to what the "Flash Build" is? FS, are you referring to Oov's double armory build? | ||
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On January 08 2010 09:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: that's not a flash invention am i really gonna have to educate everyone as to what the "Flash Build" is? Yay! Story time! Let's go!  | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 08 2010 09:02 De4ngus wrote: Wow, I just watched the vods. Sooooo, Flash's "new TvP style" = timing attack every game? To be honest, Best's openings in games 1 and 3 pretty much demanded a response. You can't honestly expect Flash to sit on his hands while Best plays ultra-greedy. I said this after game 1: The fact that Best lost falls on himself. He should have known very well that Flash plays more aggressively against him than against most other Protosses. With Flash's timing and game sense, a greedy build is a surefire way to lose to an aggressive Flash. Best should know that his late game management is his strength, yet in none of those games did he play in a way that would secure him a good late game. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On January 08 2010 09:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: that's not a flash invention am i really gonna have to educate everyone as to what the "Flash Build" is? Hey man, feel free to tell us so we can update liquipedia. | ||
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3466 Posts
I think it would've been possible to abuse this build by going for an extremely greedy build or of course the arbiter rush build, which I think was specifically designed to counter this very defensive/greedy play that many terrans copied afterwards, but obviously it was something protoss players hadn't faced before which is why it worked so well, also Flash's macro and game sense are so strong that he is not as easily abused as other terran players | ||
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
Sorry for the noob question, I'm fairly new to the SC scene. | ||
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SimonB
United States1088 Posts
As much as people whined terribly about Flash's turtling. He was on 4 base versus 6 base Protoss (who was turtling too) who had a billion arbiters filled with energy. When was the last time a Terran won under these circumstances? Best would've won all those games against any other Terran, including the Flash of 6 months ago. Best did what he usually has done; Flash just found a counter. On January 08 2010 09:02 De4ngus wrote: Wow, I just watched the vods. Sooooo, Flash's "new TvP style" = timing attack every game? Lately, Protoss have been getting their third very early with impunity, which has really messed up the TvP metagame. It's not so much a matter of a standard build, but its a direct counter against the greedy PvT builds of the last year or so. To me, its analogous to the triple-expand build that Savior used to do against Protoss. Bisu countered that with sair-DT, and so zergs can't do that anymore. Hopefully, this will produce a similar equalizing effect in TvP. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On January 08 2010 10:48 johnnyspazz wrote: So when people say flash is not considered a bonjwa yet because he hasn't been dominating long enough, does that mean the previous bonjwa's were dominating as much as flash for like a year? Sorry for the noob question, I'm fairly new to the SC scene. Previous bonjwas did a few things: A: won lots of titles. B: DOMINATED -- atleast over a 70$ winrate during their awesome period. and, this is probably the most important one C: Crushed their closest competition. Look back on the bonjwas and their rivals during their 'reigns' and they all, with eventuality, crushed their rivals. Nada played Chojja/Yellow/Boxer several times during his simultaneous OSL/MSL. Boxer, of course, crushed Yellow, Chrh, etc, all on his run before being stopped short by Garimto. Oov did the same, with exception to July, who cut his run in half. It took one season for him to recover and crush July unquestionably, though. For Flash to do what the bonjwas did and really be a bonjwa, he's got to end up winning some titles. Do it for a couple or three seasons, and play his closest competition (Jaedong/Stork/Bisu/Calm/lolthere'snoterranworthmentioning) multiple times to truly demonstrate he is on an entirely different level. | ||
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Titanidis
Greece132 Posts
On January 08 2010 06:27 538 wrote: Those viewers actually had more to do with the chinese streams failing than Flash playing, actually. And in turn, probably an english stream is not everyone's dream:-p Even though i think most of us on TL would welcome it  I didnt know that, but still after the end of the light vs kwanro series the viewers suddenly doubled. Anyway viewers are viewers wherever they come from. | ||
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