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On January 07 2010 23:24 Black Gun wrote:
seems like i am the only skt + best + bisu fan who really likes flash and the way he plays...
ok, the game on matchpoint today was annoying, but i can understand that flash was scared of best after what happened last time he pushed him in their proleague match.
i am rather disappointed in best because he really didnt put up the fight he should and could have....
You're not alone.
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and flash has haters becouse he is better than jaedong atm.
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On January 08 2010 00:53 Piste wrote:
and flash has haters becouse he is better than jaedong atm.
Well he's better than everyone at the moment.
He's not lost a game he didn't make up for all season (Hyun, beat sea in ace, Stork, advanced out of group anyhow by beating Type B, Best, beat Fantasy in Ace, Calm, one game in the series, Zero, one game in the series), and has gone 38-5. I don't believe anyone has won so much in one season.
I mean, compared to Jaedong last season, Jaedong went an overall of 49-25 -- BUT, that does include:
A: OSL Finals, which Flash hasn't played yet
B: MSL Semifinals, which Flash hasn't played yet
C: WCG vs Hwasin, a 2-1, which shouldn't count because it's an extraneous tourney that Flash isn't playing, also came after MSL Semis, OSL Semis, Gom, etc, so it wasn't comparable to where Flash is currently in the season
D: GOM, extraneous tourney, etc, which amounts to 6-4, which Flash isn't playing
E: Proleague PLAYOFFS/FINALS. Jaedong had plenty of proleague game and responsibilities, but having finals on his plate in a single season I think is fair enough to waive off. Combined 2-4 (2 wins over effort, Losses to Fantasy x2, Hyuk and Orion)
There's no way to quantify how all those extras games took from his success elsewhere, but it's fair enough considering it's shaving a LOT of losing games off of his record.
Even with this leeway, it comes out to something like this:
Overall: 49 - 25
GOM: 6 - 4
OSL: 3 - 2
MSL: 1 - 3
WCG: 2 - 1
SPLP: 2 - 4
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Total: 35 - 11 76.09%
That's with a fuckton of leeway on what counts for and against his record. Flash is 38-5 right now.
Honestly? Not even close. Flash would have to end up 38-12 this season, which basically means lose OSL 0-3, MSL Semis 0-3, AND his next game vs Really to end up like Jaedong, recordwise, last season.
You might be able to compare opponents and difficulty and workload and blah blah, but it's fair to say that Flash has crushed this season better than any single player has ever crushed a season since Nada -- and that was back before they had hardmode Proleague.
edit -- further edit, Nada's dual win season ended up going 32-13 by TL, but I'm not sure it's right for which matches count, which matches shouldn't, and maybe even missed some games since this was back in 02. But as far as TLPD goes he was 71.11%, which is technically worse than Flash and Jaedong -- though he had to play "top" players in higher frequency -- assloads of Chojja, Boxer, Yellow, Hot Forever, etc, the monsters of the time.
Basically Flash hasn't played the #1 zerg (chojja compared to Jaedong) 10 times in one season and come out with a monstrous record against him, and the #2 zerg (Calm to Yellow) another like 5 times, blah blah.
Maybe that's what separates bonjwas and modern players. Modern top 10 players don't play each other a dozen times in both tournaments, ranknig leagues, etc etc, so you don't get that real "grasp" that a certain player is ascended over his closest competition, as he doesn't crush his closest competition.
The closest we actually had was back when gom did GSI -- it basically served as a league to crash the best players into each other while they mess around in tournaments and PL.
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On January 08 2010 01:05 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 00:53 Piste wrote:
and flash has haters becouse he is better than jaedong atm. Well he's better than everyone at the moment. He's not lost a game he didn't make up for all season (Hyun, beat sea in ace, Stork, advanced out of group anyhow by beating Type B, Best, beat Fantasy in Ace, Calm, one game in the series, Zero, one game in the series), and has gone 38-5. I don't believe anyone has won so much in one season. I mean, compared to Jaedong last season, Jaedong went an overall of 49-25 -- BUT, that does include: A: OSL Finals, which Flash hasn't played yet B: MSL Semifinals, which Flash hasn't played yet C: WCG vs Hwasin, a 2-1, which shouldn't count because it's an extraneous tourney that Flash isn't playing, also came after MSL Semis, OSL Semis, Gom, etc, so it wasn't comparable to where Flash is currently in the season D: GOM, extraneous tourney, etc, which amounts to 6-4, which Flash isn't playing E: Proleague PLAYOFFS/FINALS. Jaedong had plenty of proleague game and responsibilities, but having finals on his plate in a single season I think is fair enough to waive off. Combined 2-4 (2 wins over effort, Losses to Fantasy x2, Hyuk and Orion) There's no way to quantify how all those extras games took from his success elsewhere, but it's fair enough considering it's shaving a LOT of losing games off of his record. Even with this leeway, it comes out to something like this: Overall: 49 - 25 GOM: 6 - 4 OSL: 3 - 2 MSL: 1 - 3 WCG: 2 - 1 SPLP: 2 - 4 _________________ Total: 35 - 11 76.09% That's with a fuckton of leeway on what counts for and against his record. Flash is 38-5 right now. Honestly? Not even close. Flash would have to end up 38-12 this season, which basically means lose OSL 0-3, MSL Semis 0-3, AND his next game vs Really to end up like Jaedong, recordwise, last season. You might be able to compare opponents and difficulty and workload and blah blah, but it's fair to say that Flash has crushed this season better than any single player has ever crushed a season since Nada -- and that was back before they had hardmode Proleague. edit -- further edit, Nada's dual win season ended up going 32-13 by TL, but I'm not sure it's right for which matches count, which matches shouldn't, and maybe even missed some games since this was back in 02. But as far as TLPD goes he was 71.11%, which is technically worse than Flash and Jaedong -- though he had to play "top" players in higher frequency -- assloads of Chojja, Boxer, Yellow, Hot Forever, etc, the monsters of the time. Basically Flash hasn't played the #1 zerg (chojja compared to Jaedong) 10 times in one season and come out with a monstrous record against him, and the #2 zerg (Calm to Yellow) another like 5 times, blah blah. Maybe that's what separates bonjwas and modern players. Modern top 10 players don't play each other a dozen times in both tournaments, ranknig leagues, etc etc, so you don't get that real "grasp" that a certain player is ascended over his closest competition, as he doesn't crush his closest competition. The closest we actually had was back when gom did GSI -- it basically served as a league to crash the best players into each other while they mess around in tournaments and PL.
Yes, Flash is clearly a monster at the moment, but lets wait if he continues like that.
Compare JD and Flash in 2009 - now thats insane.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=109477
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On January 07 2010 23:33 Kazius wrote:
Since the season started, Flash's record: 43:5 (89.6%!!!!)
Let me repeat that. Forty three wins, five losses. Expletives should ensue here. He has no weak match-ups, and his obliteration of BeSt and recent win over Stork, the two best PvT players, should be proof. His TvT is beyond contest as the best ever, and Terrans sent to play him end up in support groups for abused children. His TvZ looks unbeatable - Calm (a very good player) did the direct counter to his build 4 times in a Bo5, and lost 3-1. His current form is as close to perfection as this game has ever seen.
If you think about the impact of the match, it's even more one sided than the 43:5 you're quoting. His 5 losses have been (in reverse order):
- vs. Calm (he won the Bo5, so it didn't matter)
- vs. Zero (he won the Bo5, so it didn't matter)
- vs. Hyun (he undeniably lost here, BUT he then went on to win the ace match against Sea, so KT still won)
- vs. Stork (again, a loss, but it didn't knock him out of the OSL)
- vs. Best (again, a loss, BUT he went on to win the ace against Fantasy, so KT still won)
So, in this entire starcraft season Flash has NEVER ACTUALLY LOST WHERE IT MATTERED.
Just think about that for a minute. This is a ridiculous level of domination never seen before.
+ Show Spoiler +Oh, and I'm LOVING it. Two years of Flash choking make this SO SWEET MMMMMMMMM
edit: Just noticed that TwoToneTerran made this point in a paragraph above. Well, it's still awe-inspiring.
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On January 08 2010 02:13 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 01:05 TwoToneTerran wrote:On January 08 2010 00:53 Piste wrote:
and flash has haters becouse he is better than jaedong atm. Well he's better than everyone at the moment. He's not lost a game he didn't make up for all season (Hyun, beat sea in ace, Stork, advanced out of group anyhow by beating Type B, Best, beat Fantasy in Ace, Calm, one game in the series, Zero, one game in the series), and has gone 38-5. I don't believe anyone has won so much in one season. I mean, compared to Jaedong last season, Jaedong went an overall of 49-25 -- BUT, that does include: A: OSL Finals, which Flash hasn't played yet B: MSL Semifinals, which Flash hasn't played yet C: WCG vs Hwasin, a 2-1, which shouldn't count because it's an extraneous tourney that Flash isn't playing, also came after MSL Semis, OSL Semis, Gom, etc, so it wasn't comparable to where Flash is currently in the season D: GOM, extraneous tourney, etc, which amounts to 6-4, which Flash isn't playing E: Proleague PLAYOFFS/FINALS. Jaedong had plenty of proleague game and responsibilities, but having finals on his plate in a single season I think is fair enough to waive off. Combined 2-4 (2 wins over effort, Losses to Fantasy x2, Hyuk and Orion) There's no way to quantify how all those extras games took from his success elsewhere, but it's fair enough considering it's shaving a LOT of losing games off of his record. Even with this leeway, it comes out to something like this: Overall: 49 - 25 GOM: 6 - 4 OSL: 3 - 2 MSL: 1 - 3 WCG: 2 - 1 SPLP: 2 - 4 _________________ Total: 35 - 11 76.09% That's with a fuckton of leeway on what counts for and against his record. Flash is 38-5 right now. Honestly? Not even close. Flash would have to end up 38-12 this season, which basically means lose OSL 0-3, MSL Semis 0-3, AND his next game vs Really to end up like Jaedong, recordwise, last season. You might be able to compare opponents and difficulty and workload and blah blah, but it's fair to say that Flash has crushed this season better than any single player has ever crushed a season since Nada -- and that was back before they had hardmode Proleague. edit -- further edit, Nada's dual win season ended up going 32-13 by TL, but I'm not sure it's right for which matches count, which matches shouldn't, and maybe even missed some games since this was back in 02. But as far as TLPD goes he was 71.11%, which is technically worse than Flash and Jaedong -- though he had to play "top" players in higher frequency -- assloads of Chojja, Boxer, Yellow, Hot Forever, etc, the monsters of the time. Basically Flash hasn't played the #1 zerg (chojja compared to Jaedong) 10 times in one season and come out with a monstrous record against him, and the #2 zerg (Calm to Yellow) another like 5 times, blah blah. Maybe that's what separates bonjwas and modern players. Modern top 10 players don't play each other a dozen times in both tournaments, ranknig leagues, etc etc, so you don't get that real "grasp" that a certain player is ascended over his closest competition, as he doesn't crush his closest competition. The closest we actually had was back when gom did GSI -- it basically served as a league to crash the best players into each other while they mess around in tournaments and PL. Yes, Flash is clearly a monster at the moment, but lets wait if he continues like that. Compare JD and Flash in 2009 - now thats insane. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=109477
71.4% to...71%.
Doesn't matter how consistently you get your wins, just where you get them to come out of a year with 2 titles.
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On January 08 2010 02:18 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 02:13 SuperArc wrote:On January 08 2010 01:05 TwoToneTerran wrote:On January 08 2010 00:53 Piste wrote:
and flash has haters becouse he is better than jaedong atm. Well he's better than everyone at the moment. He's not lost a game he didn't make up for all season (Hyun, beat sea in ace, Stork, advanced out of group anyhow by beating Type B, Best, beat Fantasy in Ace, Calm, one game in the series, Zero, one game in the series), and has gone 38-5. I don't believe anyone has won so much in one season. I mean, compared to Jaedong last season, Jaedong went an overall of 49-25 -- BUT, that does include: A: OSL Finals, which Flash hasn't played yet B: MSL Semifinals, which Flash hasn't played yet C: WCG vs Hwasin, a 2-1, which shouldn't count because it's an extraneous tourney that Flash isn't playing, also came after MSL Semis, OSL Semis, Gom, etc, so it wasn't comparable to where Flash is currently in the season D: GOM, extraneous tourney, etc, which amounts to 6-4, which Flash isn't playing E: Proleague PLAYOFFS/FINALS. Jaedong had plenty of proleague game and responsibilities, but having finals on his plate in a single season I think is fair enough to waive off. Combined 2-4 (2 wins over effort, Losses to Fantasy x2, Hyuk and Orion) There's no way to quantify how all those extras games took from his success elsewhere, but it's fair enough considering it's shaving a LOT of losing games off of his record. Even with this leeway, it comes out to something like this: Overall: 49 - 25 GOM: 6 - 4 OSL: 3 - 2 MSL: 1 - 3 WCG: 2 - 1 SPLP: 2 - 4 _________________ Total: 35 - 11 76.09% That's with a fuckton of leeway on what counts for and against his record. Flash is 38-5 right now. Honestly? Not even close. Flash would have to end up 38-12 this season, which basically means lose OSL 0-3, MSL Semis 0-3, AND his next game vs Really to end up like Jaedong, recordwise, last season. You might be able to compare opponents and difficulty and workload and blah blah, but it's fair to say that Flash has crushed this season better than any single player has ever crushed a season since Nada -- and that was back before they had hardmode Proleague. edit -- further edit, Nada's dual win season ended up going 32-13 by TL, but I'm not sure it's right for which matches count, which matches shouldn't, and maybe even missed some games since this was back in 02. But as far as TLPD goes he was 71.11%, which is technically worse than Flash and Jaedong -- though he had to play "top" players in higher frequency -- assloads of Chojja, Boxer, Yellow, Hot Forever, etc, the monsters of the time. Basically Flash hasn't played the #1 zerg (chojja compared to Jaedong) 10 times in one season and come out with a monstrous record against him, and the #2 zerg (Calm to Yellow) another like 5 times, blah blah. Maybe that's what separates bonjwas and modern players. Modern top 10 players don't play each other a dozen times in both tournaments, ranknig leagues, etc etc, so you don't get that real "grasp" that a certain player is ascended over his closest competition, as he doesn't crush his closest competition. The closest we actually had was back when gom did GSI -- it basically served as a league to crash the best players into each other while they mess around in tournaments and PL. Yes, Flash is clearly a monster at the moment, but lets wait if he continues like that. Compare JD and Flash in 2009 - now thats insane. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=109477 71.4% to...71%. Doesn't matter how consistently you get your wins, just where you get them to come out of a year with 2 titles.
All I am saying is you uber Flash fans (I like him too, I just like JD more. :p) say how KT had ruined the Ultimate Weapon. And I show you that JD didnt crumble under the same/higher pressure Flash ever had.
There's really no reason to hyping already, act like Flash, wait till the title(s) come. Leta/Effort were in the same position as Flash before (Huge winstreaks, total dominance). But it didnt last. The only reason Flash is still getting so much TL hate is because of his fans. All this overhype gets annoying.
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On January 08 2010 02:23 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 02:18 TwoToneTerran wrote:On January 08 2010 02:13 SuperArc wrote:On January 08 2010 01:05 TwoToneTerran wrote:On January 08 2010 00:53 Piste wrote:
and flash has haters becouse he is better than jaedong atm. Well he's better than everyone at the moment. He's not lost a game he didn't make up for all season (Hyun, beat sea in ace, Stork, advanced out of group anyhow by beating Type B, Best, beat Fantasy in Ace, Calm, one game in the series, Zero, one game in the series), and has gone 38-5. I don't believe anyone has won so much in one season. I mean, compared to Jaedong last season, Jaedong went an overall of 49-25 -- BUT, that does include: A: OSL Finals, which Flash hasn't played yet B: MSL Semifinals, which Flash hasn't played yet C: WCG vs Hwasin, a 2-1, which shouldn't count because it's an extraneous tourney that Flash isn't playing, also came after MSL Semis, OSL Semis, Gom, etc, so it wasn't comparable to where Flash is currently in the season D: GOM, extraneous tourney, etc, which amounts to 6-4, which Flash isn't playing E: Proleague PLAYOFFS/FINALS. Jaedong had plenty of proleague game and responsibilities, but having finals on his plate in a single season I think is fair enough to waive off. Combined 2-4 (2 wins over effort, Losses to Fantasy x2, Hyuk and Orion) There's no way to quantify how all those extras games took from his success elsewhere, but it's fair enough considering it's shaving a LOT of losing games off of his record. Even with this leeway, it comes out to something like this: Overall: 49 - 25 GOM: 6 - 4 OSL: 3 - 2 MSL: 1 - 3 WCG: 2 - 1 SPLP: 2 - 4 _________________ Total: 35 - 11 76.09% That's with a fuckton of leeway on what counts for and against his record. Flash is 38-5 right now. Honestly? Not even close. Flash would have to end up 38-12 this season, which basically means lose OSL 0-3, MSL Semis 0-3, AND his next game vs Really to end up like Jaedong, recordwise, last season. You might be able to compare opponents and difficulty and workload and blah blah, but it's fair to say that Flash has crushed this season better than any single player has ever crushed a season since Nada -- and that was back before they had hardmode Proleague. edit -- further edit, Nada's dual win season ended up going 32-13 by TL, but I'm not sure it's right for which matches count, which matches shouldn't, and maybe even missed some games since this was back in 02. But as far as TLPD goes he was 71.11%, which is technically worse than Flash and Jaedong -- though he had to play "top" players in higher frequency -- assloads of Chojja, Boxer, Yellow, Hot Forever, etc, the monsters of the time. Basically Flash hasn't played the #1 zerg (chojja compared to Jaedong) 10 times in one season and come out with a monstrous record against him, and the #2 zerg (Calm to Yellow) another like 5 times, blah blah. Maybe that's what separates bonjwas and modern players. Modern top 10 players don't play each other a dozen times in both tournaments, ranknig leagues, etc etc, so you don't get that real "grasp" that a certain player is ascended over his closest competition, as he doesn't crush his closest competition. The closest we actually had was back when gom did GSI -- it basically served as a league to crash the best players into each other while they mess around in tournaments and PL. Yes, Flash is clearly a monster at the moment, but lets wait if he continues like that. Compare JD and Flash in 2009 - now thats insane. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=109477 71.4% to...71%. Doesn't matter how consistently you get your wins, just where you get them to come out of a year with 2 titles. All I am saying is you uber Flash fans (I like him too, I just like JD more. :p) say how KT had ruined the Ultimate Weapon. And I show you that JD didnt crumble under the same/higher pressure Flash ever had. There's really no reason to hyping already, act like Flash, wait till the title(s) come. Leta/Effort were in the same position as Flash before (Huge winstreaks, total dominance). But it didnt last. The only reason Flash is still getting so much TL hate is because of his fans. All this overhype gets annoying.
Leta and Effort never did close to this well, considering they flopped out of tournaments as early as Flash most of the time.
On top of that, Flash is currently in the exact same position as Jaedong last season (OSL finals, MSL Semis, PL dominance) only he's A) Lost less games in MSL, B: Lost less games in PL C: won more games in PL
He's basically a better version of Jaedong from last season, he's deserved the hype! Numbers, gameplay, and sheer idolatry back him!
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Well Leta/EffOrt aren't the youngest players to ever win a Starleague, nor did they utterly revolutionize a match-up (TvP) and set trends in other match-ups. This isn't the first time Flash has been dominating in his short career, and even during his "slumps" he has been the number one or two terran since almost the beginning of his career.
People seem to forget how important the double armory build was and still is.
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I love Bisu/Best/SKT but I'm glad that Flash won :DDDD
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I wanted Best to do well. It is always heartbreaking to see a good Toss slumping.
But I wanted Flash v.s. Jaedong MSL final even more. It should decide once and for all, who the best player in the world is currently.
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On January 08 2010 02:23 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 02:18 TwoToneTerran wrote:On January 08 2010 02:13 SuperArc wrote:On January 08 2010 01:05 TwoToneTerran wrote:On January 08 2010 00:53 Piste wrote:
and flash has haters becouse he is better than jaedong atm. Well he's better than everyone at the moment. He's not lost a game he didn't make up for all season (Hyun, beat sea in ace, Stork, advanced out of group anyhow by beating Type B, Best, beat Fantasy in Ace, Calm, one game in the series, Zero, one game in the series), and has gone 38-5. I don't believe anyone has won so much in one season. I mean, compared to Jaedong last season, Jaedong went an overall of 49-25 -- BUT, that does include: A: OSL Finals, which Flash hasn't played yet B: MSL Semifinals, which Flash hasn't played yet C: WCG vs Hwasin, a 2-1, which shouldn't count because it's an extraneous tourney that Flash isn't playing, also came after MSL Semis, OSL Semis, Gom, etc, so it wasn't comparable to where Flash is currently in the season D: GOM, extraneous tourney, etc, which amounts to 6-4, which Flash isn't playing E: Proleague PLAYOFFS/FINALS. Jaedong had plenty of proleague game and responsibilities, but having finals on his plate in a single season I think is fair enough to waive off. Combined 2-4 (2 wins over effort, Losses to Fantasy x2, Hyuk and Orion) There's no way to quantify how all those extras games took from his success elsewhere, but it's fair enough considering it's shaving a LOT of losing games off of his record. Even with this leeway, it comes out to something like this: Overall: 49 - 25 GOM: 6 - 4 OSL: 3 - 2 MSL: 1 - 3 WCG: 2 - 1 SPLP: 2 - 4 _________________ Total: 35 - 11 76.09% That's with a fuckton of leeway on what counts for and against his record. Flash is 38-5 right now. Honestly? Not even close. Flash would have to end up 38-12 this season, which basically means lose OSL 0-3, MSL Semis 0-3, AND his next game vs Really to end up like Jaedong, recordwise, last season. You might be able to compare opponents and difficulty and workload and blah blah, but it's fair to say that Flash has crushed this season better than any single player has ever crushed a season since Nada -- and that was back before they had hardmode Proleague. edit -- further edit, Nada's dual win season ended up going 32-13 by TL, but I'm not sure it's right for which matches count, which matches shouldn't, and maybe even missed some games since this was back in 02. But as far as TLPD goes he was 71.11%, which is technically worse than Flash and Jaedong -- though he had to play "top" players in higher frequency -- assloads of Chojja, Boxer, Yellow, Hot Forever, etc, the monsters of the time. Basically Flash hasn't played the #1 zerg (chojja compared to Jaedong) 10 times in one season and come out with a monstrous record against him, and the #2 zerg (Calm to Yellow) another like 5 times, blah blah. Maybe that's what separates bonjwas and modern players. Modern top 10 players don't play each other a dozen times in both tournaments, ranknig leagues, etc etc, so you don't get that real "grasp" that a certain player is ascended over his closest competition, as he doesn't crush his closest competition. The closest we actually had was back when gom did GSI -- it basically served as a league to crash the best players into each other while they mess around in tournaments and PL. Yes, Flash is clearly a monster at the moment, but lets wait if he continues like that. Compare JD and Flash in 2009 - now thats insane. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=109477 71.4% to...71%. Doesn't matter how consistently you get your wins, just where you get them to come out of a year with 2 titles. All I am saying is you uber Flash fans (I like him too, I just like JD more. :p) say how KT had ruined the Ultimate Weapon. And I show you that JD didnt crumble under the same/higher pressure Flash ever had. There's really no reason to hyping already, act like Flash, wait till the title(s) come. Leta/Effort were in the same position as Flash before (Huge winstreaks, total dominance). But it didnt last. The only reason Flash is still getting so much TL hate is because of his fans. All this overhype gets annoying.
Roflolololol. ''Overhyped''? Same position as Leta? You do realize Flash's ELO is more than 50 above the second highest peak of all time? And that he's in the OSL finals and MSL semifinals? And hasn't lost A SINGLE GAME that he didn't make up for this entire season? XD
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Maybe at some point people will start acknowledging that Kwanro is actually a good player.
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Maybe after he knocks Flash out of two consecutive MSLs 
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On January 08 2010 02:41 Jaksiel wrote:
Maybe at some point people will start acknowledging that Kwanro is actually a good player.
Look man I'm not saying he's bad I'm just saying he masses speedlings 3/4ths of the time. If it works then, hey, it works!
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Suppose Flash had started out in 2009 and played the 2009 season he did. Then it might be warranted to speak of overhype and comparing him to players like Leta and Effort. This is ignoring the fact that 2008's Flash showed a level of dominance that was close to his present form, and certainly he displayed the potential to win the way he does now. Then his 2009 "slump" happened. What we're seeing now is that Flash is finally starting to live up to the hype made in 2008. His fans have the right to be happy about it.
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Oh man, I didn't realize that there was so much crying and raging going on in this thread.
I understand that games need to have haters, lovers, booing, cheering, people from both extremes on the scale. But to criticize unfairly or unreasonably is going too far...
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On January 08 2010 00:51 Piste wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 23:24 Black Gun wrote:
seems like i am the only skt + best + bisu fan who really likes flash and the way he plays...
ok, the game on matchpoint today was annoying, but i can understand that flash was scared of best after what happened last time he pushed him in their proleague match.
i am rather disappointed in best because he really didnt put up the fight he should and could have.... You're not alone.
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