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araav
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Armenia1590 Posts
January 08 2010 02:25 GMT
#2141
Man, this thread totally rocked
The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all.
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
January 08 2010 02:54 GMT
#2142
The Flash build is just a build to counter 2-base carriers on Katrina

iloveoov has been doing double armory since the beginning of time.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
January 08 2010 03:11 GMT
#2143
On January 08 2010 11:10 Titanidis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2010 06:27 538 wrote:
On January 08 2010 06:14 maneatingshoe wrote:
On January 08 2010 04:59 Titanidis wrote:
people saying flash's dominance is reducing viewership should remember the numbers of people watching the 3 streams today


Agreed there were so many people on every stream! if only MBCgame knew what audience they`re missing out on! I really just want games in english to be honest


Those viewers actually had more to do with the chinese streams failing than Flash playing, actually. And in turn, probably an english stream is not everyone's dream:-p
Even though i think most of us on TL would welcome it


I didnt know that, but still after the end of the light vs kwanro series the viewers suddenly doubled. Anyway viewers are viewers wherever they come from.

Our streams got posted on both Chinese forums and 4chan. I think you can guess where the viewers came from...
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
January 08 2010 03:30 GMT
#2144
I just saw the Flash v Best games and I've got to say I'm really disappointed. Best is starting to get on my nerves. We know you can macro already, dude. Wth don't you do something other than macro/recall? He literally played that entire game out like a mindless drone, macroing up a huge army and then losing it for 30 minutes straight. Was it not obvious that a pure dragoon/zeal/arb army was going to lose to Flash?? No templars in shuttle, no attempt to carrier switch. NOTHING. It's like Best was too dumb to know what to do when recall into main failed.
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
January 08 2010 03:33 GMT
#2145
On January 08 2010 06:06 Vasoline73 wrote:
Best played so bad this series. Although game 2 was boring from Flash it's BeSt's fault for having these dumb ass builds and refusing to try and play a straight up game vs Flash. Even before this series BeSt's wins against Flash were very well planned out build orders specifically for Flash (Collo and FS) or a mistake on Flash's part (TOTM)... (Obviously BeSt still deserves credit.. I'm just pointing it out)

Can't rely on cutesy stuff every game to win a Bo5 BeSt -_-. Ugh his builds in game 1 and 2 were sooooo bad. Gas steal... into... nothing? Quick 3rd base... into... tech... so you have no units? BeSt fans have no one to blame but him for this ugly 0-3.

Why not just play a normal game? Or at least have a creative cheese... or something.


I think Game 2 showed why Best didn't play a straight up game. He has no clue how to beat Flash in a straight up slug out. He doesn't have better mechanics. He doesn't have better macro. He doesn't have better 200/200 management. And he doesn't have better troop movement. I think Best knew that Flash was a flat out better player, and that's how Best played. Zero confidence, zero flair, zero chance to win a Bo5. He acted like his only chance was with a cute BO and if that failed, well... GG 40 min later.
Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-08 03:39:45
January 08 2010 03:39 GMT
#2146
On January 08 2010 09:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
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On January 08 2010 02:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Well Leta/EffOrt aren't the youngest players to ever win a Starleague, nor did they utterly revolutionize a match-up (TvP) and set trends in other match-ups. This isn't the first time Flash has been dominating in his short career, and even during his "slumps" he has been the number one or two terran since almost the beginning of his career.

People seem to forget how important the double armory build was and still is.


that's not a flash invention

am i really gonna have to educate everyone as to what the "Flash Build" is?


Flash did invent the whole goliath part vs 2 base reaver (and carrier), emphasized vessels/emp more, revolutionized lategame decision making, and finished various optimizations of it. But yeah the original concept is not his. oov's pgt replays have him doing it lol.
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Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
January 08 2010 05:10 GMT
#2147
On January 08 2010 12:33 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2010 06:06 Vasoline73 wrote:
Best played so bad this series. Although game 2 was boring from Flash it's BeSt's fault for having these dumb ass builds and refusing to try and play a straight up game vs Flash. Even before this series BeSt's wins against Flash were very well planned out build orders specifically for Flash (Collo and FS) or a mistake on Flash's part (TOTM)... (Obviously BeSt still deserves credit.. I'm just pointing it out)

Can't rely on cutesy stuff every game to win a Bo5 BeSt -_-. Ugh his builds in game 1 and 2 were sooooo bad. Gas steal... into... nothing? Quick 3rd base... into... tech... so you have no units? BeSt fans have no one to blame but him for this ugly 0-3.

Why not just play a normal game? Or at least have a creative cheese... or something.


I think Game 2 showed why Best didn't play a straight up game. He has no clue how to beat Flash in a straight up slug out. He doesn't have better mechanics. He doesn't have better macro. He doesn't have better 200/200 management. And he doesn't have better troop movement. I think Best knew that Flash was a flat out better player, and that's how Best played. Zero confidence, zero flair, zero chance to win a Bo5. He acted like his only chance was with a cute BO and if that failed, well... GG 40 min later.


High Templars. I was thinking "wtf are the templars?" the entire game. I even think I heard the announcers saying TEMPULAH TEMPULAH?!? a couple times like they didn't get it either.

Then again, I'm also a little confused as to why Flash didn't drop a couple tanks/vultures into the 1-oclock expo after he nuked it, they would have been out of range of the cannons. At worst it'll make BeSt waste a recall/stasis or bring his army way out of position to go defend it...
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
January 08 2010 06:01 GMT
#2148
Templars wouldn't have changed the game. Best wasn't getting out of that fight without losing more than half his army, templars or not, and the important thing after the fight was that Best couldn't afford to rebuild his army, whereas Flash replaced every dead vultures and tank...with tanks. Flash had enormous amounts of cash and obviously was macroing the whole time.

Maybe if Best could've absolutely crushed it and then recalled his remaining forces on top of the factories directly after or something, maybe, but I honestly doubt there was anything Best was gonna do after Flash had like 15 factories with 10 addons.
Remember Violet.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
January 08 2010 06:31 GMT
#2149
On January 08 2010 12:39 Ver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2010 09:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On January 08 2010 02:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Well Leta/EffOrt aren't the youngest players to ever win a Starleague, nor did they utterly revolutionize a match-up (TvP) and set trends in other match-ups. This isn't the first time Flash has been dominating in his short career, and even during his "slumps" he has been the number one or two terran since almost the beginning of his career.

People seem to forget how important the double armory build was and still is.


that's not a flash invention

am i really gonna have to educate everyone as to what the "Flash Build" is?


Flash did invent the whole goliath part vs 2 base reaver (and carrier), emphasized vessels/emp more, revolutionized lategame decision making, and finished various optimizations of it. But yeah the original concept is not his. oov's pgt replays have him doing it lol.


its nice having you around ver
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
nodule
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada931 Posts
January 08 2010 06:56 GMT
#2150
just watched game 2. I have never felt so bad for a progamer as I did for best at the end of that game. Still fighting with 6 arbs against 30 tanks... he much have been so crushed.

People who are calling that BM just don't get it. That game was a victory for no-one.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
January 08 2010 19:18 GMT
#2151
Wow. Best got completely destroyed start to finish on game 3.
RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-08 20:16:38
January 08 2010 20:15 GMT
#2152
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[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 01:46:48
January 09 2010 01:45 GMT
#2153
PROTOSSSSSSS!!!

oh wait..

On January 08 2010 12:30 StorkHwaiting wrote:
I just saw the Flash v Best games and I've got to say I'm really disappointed. Best is starting to get on my nerves. We know you can macro already, dude. Wth don't you do something other than macro/recall? He literally played that entire game out like a mindless drone, macroing up a huge army and then losing it for 30 minutes straight. Was it not obvious that a pure dragoon/zeal/arb army was going to lose to Flash?? No templars in shuttle, no attempt to carrier switch. NOTHING. It's like Best was too dumb to know what to do when recall into main failed.

That sums up Best and a lot of other progamers, macrobots.

Game 2 was smart play from Flash. Even if Flash had the advantage after taking out Best's expansion, that doesn't mean that Flash could roll over Best at all. This is TvP where time and time again, a small mistake in a push hands the game over to the protoss, especially to someone like Best. It doesn't matter how much resources terran has because once protoss takes out your main terran army, the protoss blob will roll over your expansions and finish what's left of your statis army. Game 2 may be boring to some people, but that fault lies with Best. Even in Flash's interview, he said Best should be pressuring with his protoss army due to the nature of the map.
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