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SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
January 07 2010 13:58 GMT
#2061
After this series the only haters Flash will have are the ones ALL dominating players have when they are at their peak.

In other words jealous ones.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
weiliem
Profile Joined January 2008
2071 Posts
January 07 2010 14:06 GMT
#2062
On January 07 2010 21:42 yarders wrote:
Wow Flash haters really need to come up with some better arguments. The turtling argument is so obviously wrong its hilarious people still use it. Bisu and Jaedong fans, just come out and admit you don't like Flash because hes so incredibly good at the moment. It's only natural to support against him but stop coming up with lame arguments to justify this to yourselves.

The truth is Best played a very poor series. Flash played well as usual and therefore it wasn''t much fun to watch because Flash won so easily. It's not his fault Best sucked.



agree agree.... haha
Oppa feeding style
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
January 07 2010 14:16 GMT
#2063
that was actually fucking disgusting

Flash makes me hate Starcraft . he is like ... Anti-Boxer ...

disgusting

+ Show Spoiler +
although i must admit that he is uberskilled , really dominating
T H C makes ppl happy
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
January 07 2010 14:24 GMT
#2064
seems like i am the only skt + best + bisu fan who really likes flash and the way he plays...
ok, the game on matchpoint today was annoying, but i can understand that flash was scared of best after what happened last time he pushed him in their proleague match.

i am rather disappointed in best because he really didnt put up the fight he should and could have....
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
yB.TeH
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany414 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-07 14:30:50
January 07 2010 14:26 GMT
#2065
flash might be the first player to become as dominant as oov was
this is incredible, since i thought there is no way to repeat that because of the increased competition
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
January 07 2010 14:30 GMT
#2066
Wow i just watched Kwanro's second game. The guy really deserves way more respect :o
Revolutionist fan
Kazius
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Israel1456 Posts
January 07 2010 14:33 GMT
#2067
Flash's Elo: 2409 (#1, all time)
43 points from the second highest. There's no contest here.
Flash's vT Elo: 2314 (#1, all time)
42 points from the second highest. There has never been a vT player nearly as strong.
Flash's vZ Elo: 2309 (#3, all time)
32 points from #1 (Jaedong at his ZvZ peak), 4 points from oov's peak.
Flash's vP Elo: 2223 (#8, all time)
51 points from #1 (Savior's Bonjwa form), should be #7 because at #3 it's Flash after the introduction of the Flash build.

Since the season started, Flash's record: 43:5 (89.6%!!!!)

Let me repeat that. Forty three wins, five losses. Expletives should ensue here. He has no weak match-ups, and his obliteration of BeSt and recent win over Stork, the two best PvT players, should be proof. His TvT is beyond contest as the best ever, and Terrans sent to play him end up in support groups for abused children. His TvZ looks unbeatable - Calm (a very good player) did the direct counter to his build 4 times in a Bo5, and lost 3-1. His current form is as close to perfection as this game has ever seen.

Flash has been devouring opposition, and not just anyone, but the very top of it. oov macro, Nada mechanics, and most of all a Savioresque game-sense. All he needs is an OSL title, and it's official. He wins both the OSL and the MSL and no one should bother arguing.
Friendship is like peeing yourself. Anyone can see it, but only you get that warm feeling.
whathappened
Profile Joined December 2009
United States213 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-07 14:38:59
January 07 2010 14:34 GMT
#2068
On January 07 2010 23:30 Salteador Neo wrote:
Wow i just watched Kwanro's second game. The guy really deserves way more respect :o


Indeed, hopefully he'll get to show off whether or not he's comparable to the other Zergs, with his performance vs + Show Spoiler +
Flash.


On January 07 2010 23:33 Kazius wrote:
Flash's Elo: 2409 (#1, all time)
43 points from the second highest. There's no contest here.
Flash's vT Elo: 2314 (#1, all time)
42 points from the second highest. There has never been a vT player nearly as strong.
Flash's vZ Elo: 2309 (#3, all time)
32 points from #1 (Jaedong at his ZvZ peak), 4 points from oov's peak.
Flash's vP Elo: 2223 (#8, all time)
51 points from #1 (Savior's Bonjwa form), should be #7 because at #3 it's Flash after the introduction of the Flash build.

Since the season started, Flash's record: 43:5 (89.6%!!!!)

Let me repeat that. Forty three wins, five losses. Expletives should ensue here. He has no weak match-ups, and his obliteration of BeSt and recent win over Stork, the two best PvT players, should be proof. His TvT is beyond contest as the best ever, and Terrans sent to play him end up in support groups for abused children. His TvZ looks unbeatable - Calm (a very good player) did the direct counter to his build 4 times in a Bo5, and lost 3-1. His current form is as close to perfection as this game has ever seen.

Flash has been devouring opposition, and not just anyone, but the very top of it. oov macro, Nada mechanics, and most of all a Savioresque game-sense. All he needs is an OSL title, and it's official. He wins both the OSL and the MSL and no one should bother arguing.


An OSL, MSL and possibly SPL win in the same season? If any one can do it, its Flash in his current state. But as we saw last season with Jaedong, OSL+MSL+SPL+GOM S3 = A ton of stress. This should be the real test for Flash, not implying winning the games, but be able to show good form in all of them.

Edit: some grammar and whatnot.
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
January 07 2010 14:55 GMT
#2069
Man I love Flash. ^_^
觀過斯知仁矣.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
January 07 2010 15:00 GMT
#2070
Can't possibly win SPL. It's a year long process.

But his team has already won it for the season, more or less. There's 2 weeks left before round 2 is over and it is impossible for them to drop out of first place (Given STX is second with an 8-1 record this round and 5-6 last round. KT literally cannot do worse), and by the end of this round the OSL will definitely be over, and MSL should be coming to a conclusion. If STX wins every game and KT loses every game past the first week of WL, it may may may be possible for KT to not "win" Proleague this season before the MSL is done -- since this MSL is only halfway done with Quarter finals while the OSL is having its finals in a little over a week.

But I don't think so.

So, Flash has already won PL. Just gotta beat Shine/Movie and take down Kwanro followed by Kal/Stats/Jaedong/Hwasin. :o
Remember Violet.
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
January 07 2010 15:05 GMT
#2071
On January 07 2010 23:24 Black Gun wrote:
seems like i am the only skt + best + bisu fan who really likes flash and the way he plays...
ok, the game on matchpoint today was annoying, but i can understand that flash was scared of best after what happened last time he pushed him in their proleague match.

i am rather disappointed in best because he really didnt put up the fight he should and could have....

I am an SKT Protoss fan who doesn't mind when Doh-Taek-Myung lose to Flash.

I think Flash is a great player and he deserves every win he gets. He is an extremely fascinating player with incredible game sense and he is very good at mind games.

As for people wondering why Flash has so many haters when Jaedong doesn't, my opinion is because Flash doesn't play Zerg.

The zerg fanbase on TL is very rabid and very vicious.

If Jaedong drops a game, people complain about the opponent's strategy, about ZvZ, about Jaedong being overworked, about the maps, about Protoss/Terran/Zerg imba, etc.

If Flash drops a game, people say "One loss isn't that big a deal, nobody can win 100% of the time and Flash is still amazing." And then the Flash anti fans (many of whom are Jaedong fans) say that Flash is showing signs of weakness and that x player will dominate him because he is playing bad.

I'm fine with Flash fans. They don't bash all of SKT like a lot of Jaedong fans do with Bisu and Fantasy. I also enjoyed the series between Flash and Best a lot.
#1 KawaiiRice fan :D
whathappened
Profile Joined December 2009
United States213 Posts
January 07 2010 15:08 GMT
#2072
On January 08 2010 00:00 TwoToneTerran wrote:
So, Flash has already won PL. Just gotta beat Shine/Movie and take down Kwanro followed by Kal/Stats/Jaedong/Hwasin. :o


P/P/Z/T: With Hwasin, he shouldn't have too much trouble *cough*22*cough*. Jaedong is /always/ a threat (to anyone). Kal isn't some pushover-Protoss and Stats is a teammate that he practices with often. Indeed, the MSL finals may be quite tough for Flash, assuming he doesn't choke on a hairball from Pikachu.

At any rate, being an admirer of Flash's work, this is like nirvana.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-07 15:11:35
January 07 2010 15:08 GMT
#2073
On January 07 2010 21:22 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2010 21:20 remembervhs wrote:
Roffles is an idiot and so is everyone who is crying about Flash's playstyle.

Do you even watch Flash play? His micro is easily the best among terrans right now. Iloveoov often had sloppy micro, which is one reason why people hated him: he was the anti-Boxer. Flash's micro is so amazing to watch, take a look at some of his vulture blocks and mine laying in these games, no one I've seen does it as well as him.

And I shouldn't have to mention tvz, his mnm micro is up there with old-Nada.

If you're crying because you hate people who win, just come out and say it. There is nothing boring about Flash's playstyle. 5 out of his last 6 tvps are among the most exciting tvps I've ever seen (early timing pushes).

I've BEEN saying it. I don't like people who absolutely dominate.


First you say that Flash sucks because of his turtlish playstyle.
Then when someone points out how aggressive he was in almost all his recent games you completely dodge and say you just dont like him because he is so dominant. Which one is it? if its both then don't dodge when someones proves you wrong

Btw I highly doubt that you'd be rooting against Bisu if he ever was as dominant as Flash is
beep boop
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
January 07 2010 15:17 GMT
#2074
wow flash is out of control
Forever Young
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
January 07 2010 15:26 GMT
#2075
On January 08 2010 00:08 7mk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2010 21:22 Roffles wrote:
On January 07 2010 21:20 remembervhs wrote:
Roffles is an idiot and so is everyone who is crying about Flash's playstyle.

Do you even watch Flash play? His micro is easily the best among terrans right now. Iloveoov often had sloppy micro, which is one reason why people hated him: he was the anti-Boxer. Flash's micro is so amazing to watch, take a look at some of his vulture blocks and mine laying in these games, no one I've seen does it as well as him.

And I shouldn't have to mention tvz, his mnm micro is up there with old-Nada.

If you're crying because you hate people who win, just come out and say it. There is nothing boring about Flash's playstyle. 5 out of his last 6 tvps are among the most exciting tvps I've ever seen (early timing pushes).

I've BEEN saying it. I don't like people who absolutely dominate.

First you say that Flash sucks because of his turtlish playstyle.
Then when someone points out how aggressive he was in almost all his recent games you completely dodge and say you just dont like him because he is so dominant. Which one is it? if its both then don't dodge when someones proves you wrong

Btw I highly doubt that you'd be rooting against Bisu if he ever was as dominant as Flash is


Who knew ganging up on Roffles could be so much fun?
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-07 15:40:27
January 07 2010 15:37 GMT
#2076
I can understand that a single player dominating can be bad for viewership because things get predicable and stale after awhile, but what I don't get is why some people have to hate that person for it. It's okay, you don't need to hide behind all your excuses and "reasons." We can still see that you're a jealous bitter person who can't stand another person's success.
Forever the best, IMMvp <3
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
January 07 2010 15:39 GMT
#2077
It's because Jaedong plays zerg. And ZvP and ZvT are usually seen as action-packed while Terran MUs are more "slow".
Jaedong
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
January 07 2010 15:41 GMT
#2078
My sig sums up how I feel about these games and about Flash.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
pripple
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Finland1714 Posts
January 07 2010 15:43 GMT
#2079
uh huh, even best didn't get a single game off Flash, scary ;<
impressed by Kwanro aswell though, he played very well.
Jaedong! <> Team MVP <> Mouz.
RamenStyle
Profile Joined September 2004
United States1929 Posts
January 07 2010 15:49 GMT
#2080
Lol, Flash is gonna stomp over Kwanro. This might become the most anti climatic finals ever.
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