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United Arab Emirates492 Posts
What is the general rule of thumb for upgrades for protoss units against Zerg / Terran / Protoss?
1) Ground Attack 2) Ground Armor 3) Palsma Shield
I usually upgrade all my plasma shield first, then start upgrading attack.
Sorry to sound so noobish. I am veteran warcraft3 player, and just started starcraft1 for get in preparation for Starcraft2. I must say starcraft is billion times better then warcraft3.
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Dude you dont post here, you do that in the strategy forum. Mod please move this guy.
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I believe it is:
1 forge: attack. 2 forge: attack + armor. 3 forge: all upgrades.
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United Arab Emirates492 Posts
Is this an appropriate section to post this? Sorry if it is not. I think Strategy section is better for this kind of stuff.
Any other help for a beginner would be greatly appreciated.
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Pretty much aways attack first. Shields are upgrated only in a long game and if you have enough gas. The attack upgrade vs Zerg is very important!
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1) This belongs in the strategy section.
2) Next time, remember to label the topic correctly. ( In this case, [Q])
3) Make sure you do a thorough search through the TL database, I'm sure you could have found detailed answers to this question if you had actually looked.
4) Plasma shields should never be your first upgrade. Generally, and especially in PvZ, protoss upgrade weapons first, with ground armor being the next priority.
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you upgrade weapons first because after you have it zerglings die in two hits
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The rule of thumb is in all matchups attack > armor > > > > shields.
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If you only have one forge, I believe you should always go for attack upgrades, until you're at 3 attack - 0 armor - 0 shields. Armor 1 is an okay upgrade if you've already gotten 2 Attack upgrades. Plasma shield upgrades are very rarely gotten, if ever, in 1v1 matches.
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United Arab Emirates492 Posts
Thank you all So much, I hope the moderator closes or moves this thread.
I apologize for my stupidity.
1) Posting in wrong forum section 2) Not using (Q) like stated 3) Not searching the the TL Database
Will remember these tips :-)
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Australia13007 Posts
Armour is ok to upg first in PvT as it keeps your probe alive for 3 hits rather than 2 vs unupgraded vultures.
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Top priority is Attack upgrades, then Armor. You almost never need to upgrade Sheilds (as mentioned)
Edit: Welcome to TL btw
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depend a lot on the build.
in protoss usually +1 atk. +2atk +3atk. ~ then armor?
in T a lot of P +1 atk or dual forge +1 +1 atk/armor.
pvp upgrade in mid to lategame. early game usually is goon reaver stuff like that
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Welcome Gunman  Its good to see people that finally see the light :p
Most people almost always get +1 weapons first, then armor and if they have enough money 2nd or 3rd forge and shields.
However this is not absolute, for example I've heard many people say (and I agree) that in an archon heavy PvZ, shields should come earlier, or if the Z is fast on upgrades (ie he will have carpace when you have weapons) +Armor may be best.
Hope this helps a bit..
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What I do, which probably isn't correct anyway, is 1 forge 'til I have +3 attack almost ready, at this point I generally have enough to slap down another forge and get armor and shield at the same time. Also there's been tons of discussion on armor vs shields here already, search for that it's a good read.
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On May 13 2009 22:15 stet_tcl wrote:Welcome Gunman  Its good to see people that finally see the light :p Most people almost always get +1 weapons first, then armor and if they have enough money 2nd or 3rd forge and shields. However this is not absolute, for example I've heard many people say (and I agree) that in an archon heavy PvZ, shields should come earlier, or if the Z is fast on upgrades (ie he will have carpace when you have weapons) +Armor may be best. Hope this helps a bit..
What he said can be applied, but in very specific circumstances... At this level I suggest you to never go +1 armor first vs zerg, because 1) the carapace first 4 hatch before lair build into 36~ lings midgame is rare nowadays and 2) if you let the zerg catch up in +armor with ur attack, you will essentially give up on a big potential advantage u have throughout mid/midlate game, which is the 2 hit zealots on lings.
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And also ignore a lot of the advice that was given please. Some people posted senseless things like 3 forge and getting armor vs terran... Basically vs zerg going +1 attack is very important to 2-hit zerglings and once you have +3 dmg for archons you are guaranteed to 1-hit lings. However, you really have to get another forge to upgrade armor, imo, even before your +1 finishes. Zerg should always have more units then you and they all are relatively low dmg. When zerg gets its damage upgrades, they can really make a difference if you don't have armor.
Pvt... get attack when you have a forge and extra/gas minerals but overall all you really need is attack and I've seen pros not upgrade at all in pvt.
PvP. Upgrades are of medium importance (more import then terran), get attack over armor.
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Calgary25980 Posts
On May 13 2009 23:13 ultramagnetics wrote: And also ignore a lot of the advice that was given please. Some people posted senseless things like 3 forge and getting armor vs terran... Basically vs zerg going +1 attack is very important to 2-hit zerglings and once you have +3 dmg for archons you are guaranteed to 1-hit lings. However, you really have to get another forge to upgrade armor, imo, even before your +1 finishes. Zerg should always have more units then you and they all are relatively low dmg. When zerg gets its damage upgrades, they can really make a difference if you don't have armor.
Pvt... get attack when you have a forge and extra/gas minerals but overall all you really need is attack and I've seen pros not upgrade at all in pvt.
PvP. Upgrades are of medium importance (more import then terran), get attack over armor. Good post. Summary:
PvZ (Very important) - Attack quickly, armor fairly quickly. Shields if resources available. PvP (Fairly important) - Get attack. Armor is resources available. PvT (Not important) - Get attack is resources available.
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Germany2762 Posts
in general i don't get shield upgrades at all... i only research it in pvz from time to time because it makes your cannons so much stronger. but attack and armor are so much more important. especially attack in early game (2-hit lings with zeals).
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
In PvZ: Your first forge should research +1W. Your second forge should finish around the time +1W finishes, and then your two forges should research +2W and +1A simultaneously.
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