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StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-19 15:32:46
May 19 2009 15:32 GMT
#1101
thnx;)

Important: I forgot to say that you Cut SCVs @ 22 suply with the TvP 2Fact build.
Its in the buildorder now.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Phyre
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1288 Posts
May 19 2009 15:33 GMT
#1102
Thanks again Stylish! All the help and effort is indeed greatly appreciated, you definitely deserve a star.
"Oh no, I got you with your pants... on your face... That's not how you wear pants." - Nintu, catching 1 hatch lurks.
-StrifeX-
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States529 Posts
May 19 2009 15:36 GMT
#1103
any high rank player able tell me the trigger or psi timing to add 3 more facts for 4 fact push?
No_eL
Profile Joined July 2007
Chile1438 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-19 15:59:26
May 19 2009 15:54 GMT
#1104
Thanks stylish again!! specially for the TVT build!! plz make more tvt strats in the future... i'll waiting for your version of wraith, FD, FE, mass vulture and other funny strats =)
Beat after beat i will become stronger.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-19 17:49:28
May 19 2009 17:45 GMT
#1105
-StrifeX-:
    Triggers:
  • Protoss does 1gate double expand, 2-3 gate expand with forge, 2base carriers etc.
  • 50 suply, 6:40~ time add 3factories.


Move out with 6tanks 4marines 3scvs and rallypoint vultures from 4factories.
When you 4factpush without armory you don't add refinary in your expansion.
Upgrade speed after you've started making the factories.
Open up with 5factbuild, 4marines 1tank 1vulture with mines into expansion and adjust from there if you notice protoss is being greedy.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
aznmathfreak
Profile Joined March 2009
United States148 Posts
May 19 2009 17:52 GMT
#1106
Thanks for all your help Stylish. I'm a zerg player that's trying to pick up tvz cause I think it's an amazing matchup, and sure as hell beats zvz'ing all the time. Anyways, I had very little knowledge about Terran gameplay and your guide has helped me a lot, so I just wanted to give my word of thanks. Hope you make many more vods to come.
-StrifeX-
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States529 Posts
May 19 2009 18:10 GMT
#1107
Alright thanks, this also valid with 1 factory siege expand? just get 2nd fact and add-on on above normal time and add other 2 at 50 and double upgrade speed + mines? since will be all goon and low count army?
JFKWT
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore1442 Posts
May 19 2009 18:22 GMT
#1108
On May 20 2009 02:45 StylishVODs wrote:
-StrifeX-:
    Triggers:
  • Protoss does 1gate double expand, 2-3 gate expand with forge, 2base carriers etc.
  • 50 suply, 6:40~ time add 3factories.


Move out with 6tanks 4marines 3scvs and rallypoint vultures from 4factories.
When you 4factpush without armory you don't add refinary in your expansion.
Upgrade speed after you've started making the factories.
Open up with 5factbuild, 4marines 1tank 1vulture with mines into expansion and adjust from there if you notice protoss is being greedy.


newb question to stylish: does this work with 2 base arbs?
The calm before the storm / "loli is not a crime, but meganekko is the way to go!"
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 19 2009 19:03 GMT
#1109
Ok, how do I defend correctly against 2 Gate Zealots on a map where walling in is pretty much impossible? I hate Zealots, they never die!!! I'm scared to death of the little bastards. Help please.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
May 19 2009 19:18 GMT
#1110
-StrifeX-:
Yes. Only 1 addon for this push.

JFKWT:
Yes. Usually he will open DT drop so you can cut some scvs before making 3 factories and make an earlier academy, so you have scan when you move out. Use mines to your advantage since he will lack observers. Use turrets do defend vs the dtdrop.

Holgerius:
Buildingplacement and bunker.
2Gate zealot is an extremely agressive build.
The only way to beat it without wall is to place your buildings so that zealots cannos sneak through but marines can, and then place a bunker at a good location tat covers most buildings.
I discuss buildingplacement in the TvP General Tips under "Extras" in this thread.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Wurzelbrumpft
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Germany471 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-29 11:38:55
May 29 2009 11:38 GMT
#1111
Stylish do you know the a buildorder for the increasingly used, valkyrie into bionic play, that seems to be used vs 2hatch muta
beam me up scotty, this planet suxX
The_Australian
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Australia458 Posts
May 29 2009 13:31 GMT
#1112
Stylish why do you own so much?
"Nothing should be unstoppable when you see it coming...." - Boxer
SiegeTanksandBlueGoo
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
China685 Posts
May 30 2009 04:37 GMT
#1113
Hey Stylish.

I'm having trouble with lategame TvP. I feel like my army is too cumbersome and it's veyr difficult to counter the more nimble P army. I feel like my APM is rather low (140-160 usually) so it's hard for me to lay mines everywhere while macroing and building at the same time. Is APM and mining the whole map my problem?

Also, if a P has managed to counter your base in some way (i.e. recall, sneak though a gap in your defenses or something of the sort), how should you respond? I've seen progamers both push up and just try to kill their opponent outright (Light vs Reach) or head back and defend their base. If I was to try to kill the opponent right away, what should I do/look out for? If I try to defend my base, how should I defend it? Every time I face a recall, I lose a lot of units I feel I shouldn't really lose.

Thanks so much, Stylish.
What does the scouter say about his macro level? It's Over 9000 minerals!
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
May 30 2009 05:25 GMT
#1114
Hey Stylish...
hate to be another one to bombard you with another question, but recently, i've found a lot of trouble tvz on the map colosseum...I generally try to go mech on this map, however I find it futile regardless, as i have trouble dealing with a 9 pool (generally with speed) with a sunken rush on my wall. Is there any good way with dealing with this? I find that his sunk is able to pick off any scvs, or damage the wall, or stop me from making a bunker in time combined with the lings...I just feel like I can't think of any good counter to this cheese, and its so damned frustrating.
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merach
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States182 Posts
June 01 2009 00:19 GMT
#1115
On May 30 2009 14:25 Comeh wrote:
Hey Stylish...
hate to be another one to bombard you with another question, but recently, i've found a lot of trouble tvz on the map colosseum...I generally try to go mech on this map, however I find it futile regardless, as i have trouble dealing with a 9 pool (generally with speed) with a sunken rush on my wall. Is there any good way with dealing with this? I find that his sunk is able to pick off any scvs, or damage the wall, or stop me from making a bunker in time combined with the lings...I just feel like I can't think of any good counter to this cheese, and its so damned frustrating.



I was having the same problem, 6 pool (extra drone for the sunk) and it's gg for your wall, what i do is use the SCV that builds the first supply depot, and block that spot they build the sunken on. It sucks, but denying the creep colony from going down for even 10 seconds should give you enough time to have a marine out, and then you can finish your wall in the meantime, bunker, stop the lings etc etc
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-01 00:52:58
June 01 2009 00:45 GMT
#1116
sorry i kind of dropped the ball on my threads for some while.. needed abit of free time and I've had some personal problems lately, I'll answer questions when im ready.

edit: as for the colosseum questions TvZ, you can either send an scv to block the position of the sunken early on (right before placing the rax) or you can send 2 scvs to kill it(right before you place your rax).

Scv block spot: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/11378_Luxury_vs_PianO/vod
2Scv kill sunken: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/11263_BaBy_vs_HoeJJa/vod

According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
merach
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States182 Posts
June 02 2009 18:44 GMT
#1117
On June 01 2009 09:45 StylishVODs wrote:
sorry i kind of dropped the ball on my threads for some while.. needed abit of free time and I've had some personal problems lately, I'll answer questions when im ready.

edit: as for the colosseum questions TvZ, you can either send an scv to block the position of the sunken early on (right before placing the rax) or you can send 2 scvs to kill it(right before you place your rax).

Scv block spot: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/11378_Luxury_vs_PianO/vod
2Scv kill sunken: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/11263_BaBy_vs_HoeJJa/vod



The thing with these is that those are vs standard builds, the most common way I've seen this done is with 6pool, and so you may not have the time to do this before his lings show up, so all I do is 9depot 10 rax and go from there
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
June 02 2009 19:05 GMT
#1118
The sunken will almost never be placed before you start making the barracks even if he rushes so you have time to send 2 scvs out there if you send them right before you place the barracks.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
R3condite
Profile Joined August 2008
Korea (South)1541 Posts
June 06 2009 05:33 GMT
#1119
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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
June 06 2009 10:41 GMT
#1120
On June 06 2009 14:33 R3condite wrote:
i want ur babies... NOW


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