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StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-18 16:44:56
May 16 2009 00:20 GMT
#1061
Sublimis:
There is one 2fact strat that I might put up when I get time. However I seldom use those strategies anymore as I find them risky and replaced by better strats.
Some of them are still viable on certain maps, but they were much more common in the past.
FE strats of today is just better overall in my oppinion, but it can be good to switch in a 2factstrat in a Best of X series in a tournament or whatever to keep the variation up.

Never_Nal:
It's very hard for me to know what your main problem is. But I strongly suspect that you don't have the strategies down to perfection.

You say that you have improved. Thats good, improving in Starcraft takes time.
If you keep improving like this you will soon be able to hit C- or C rank, but it can't be done over a night.
Keep doing my strategies and work on your overall micro/macro you will improve more and more.
Also read the [G]Terran FAQ thread, where you can find many answers to common questions about my strategies.

If you can send me a replay of a game I can try to help you via PM.

Shikyo:
I haven't played bw for 1 month now due to my computervirus and I feel that my TvT skill isn't enough to write guides or make vods.
I'm considering adding one standard opening TvT before I quit and it will probably be up sometime before june if my guncam and camtasia is still working.

The strat im considering adding is basically a 1fac FE build with vultureopening into 4fact vulture -> map control/3rd exp.

Something that has been used alot of times in the pro gaming scene.
IdrA wrote some things about TvT many months ago but its still not old, here is what he wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
there are variations of fac port, you can skip cloak and siege and get a fast expo, you can get cloak immediately and focus on wraiths and get a pretty quick expo, you can pump constant tanks and get siege and not get cloak and go for a hard rush designed to kill fac cc or double cc, or you can get both cloak and siege and go for a later, stronger rush. the last 2 options come pretty late expos and so you have to damage him or you'll be behind, unless he did an even more aggressive/late expo build.

getting vultures with fac port is not standard, tank/wraith is much more common. id guess the rationale behind it is that they wont have enough scans to deal with both mines and cloaked wraiths so the mines will stop the tank/gol timing attack, but tank/gol will roll 1 fac vulture mines anyway so its rather useless. stick with tank/wraith for now.

the safest version of the build is to get quick cloak and pump wraiths while getting a relatively fast expo. depending on what you scout you can cut tanks to get a quicker expo or not (if you see 1 fac cc get your own cc after 2 tanks or so, if you see 2 fac obviously tanks take priority) this build can adapt to all situations pretty easy.
if he 2 ports get an ebay and a faster expo with turrets, his initial wraiths wont do anything cuz you'll have faster cloak and by the time he could overpower you you have turrets, just transition to tank/gol with a better econ from there.
vs 2 fac you have cloaked wraiths and he'll have at most 1 scanner, but he will have a stronger army and you arent guaranteed a faster expo. 2 fac vs fac port isnt a guaranteed advantage to either side, all about how you play it out. your best bet is constant tanks + siege and set up a siege line outside your nat and pick at his shit with cloaked wraiths while expoing. transition into 3 fac tank as your expo goes up and do the thing where you siege just in range, outside of vision, of his siege line and use your wraiths to provide vision/kill his rax. practice that, its one of the most important things in tvt. this is the standard followup to fac port, taking advantage of the fact that he has to make goliaths so you'll have more tanks, but it leaves you with almost no anti air so watch out for a wraith switch from your opponent. if he has too solid a contain set up you can switch to tank gol drops.


the fac/port variations that dont include cloak are significantly more dangerous. the tank heavy one is designed solely as a fac cc killing build, and the fast expo fac/port is designed to defend the tank heavy fac/port, but is also ok vs fac cc. they both fail hard vs 2 port and vs 2 fac tank gol.


This tells you nothing about specific builds though but it can help.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-17 23:06:48
May 17 2009 21:22 GMT
#1062
    Update May 17
  • Build order and replay up for TvP 2factbuild (low eco). I had some request for making this build.
    Enjoy.


I can't yet record VODs, but it won't be long now.
Currently working on an alternative 14cc TvZ build and a TvT standard opening for you guys.
Gl hf!
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
May 17 2009 21:34 GMT
#1063
Yay! Thanks a lot for the update :D
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
May 17 2009 23:06 GMT
#1064
    Update May 17
  • TvT Standard 1Fact FE vultureopening is up!
    Its an adjustheavy build and I will cover it in the FAQ shortly.
    Enjoy!
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
May 18 2009 00:27 GMT
#1065
Hoh shiet, a TVT BO.
Graphics
Dreadwave
Profile Joined January 2008
Netherlands254 Posts
May 18 2009 00:59 GMT
#1066
On May 18 2009 08:06 StylishVODs wrote:
    Update May 17
  • TvT Standard 1Fact FE vultureopening is up!
    Its an adjustheavy build and I will cover it in the FAQ shortly.
    Enjoy!

Awesome, this thread is such a great resource, thank you so much for doing this.

Do you intend to include more TvT openings in the future like fact-port for example?
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
May 18 2009 01:02 GMT
#1067
Dreadwave:

Im not sure about that;D but maybe.
Working on an alternative 14cc TvZ build right now and im trying to get my VODrecord programs to work.

But its 3am now and I have to go to sleep. Gn!
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
LOcDowN
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1015 Posts
May 18 2009 05:03 GMT
#1068
Wow Stylish, your'e still at it! Congrats on making such an epic imprint on the TL.net forum!
parkin
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
1080 Posts
May 18 2009 05:19 GMT
#1069
TvT too! nice^^
mostly harmless
Sublimis
Profile Joined May 2009
Sweden70 Posts
May 18 2009 08:37 GMT
#1070
Thanks alot Stylish!
Bronco6677
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1 Post
Last Edited: 2009-05-18 12:44:02
May 18 2009 11:26 GMT
#1071
Im sorry, this is a silly question but I am having the hardest time locating your VODs. Particularly newer VODs(I had no problem with the link to the first 38) Could someone point me in the right direction. thanks.


WHOA! Nevermind i found it.. i feel a little dumb now.. sorry for the unnecessary post.
DoX.)
Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
May 18 2009 12:05 GMT
#1072
yay!
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-18 12:34:35
May 18 2009 12:19 GMT
#1073
Thanks alot! Nice to see some TvT material.

1 Fac 1 Port TvT info would make you my favourite TL poster. :D
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
d1v
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden868 Posts
May 18 2009 12:29 GMT
#1074
Fuck yes, this thread has once again reached a whole new level of awesomeness! Thanks a lot Stylish!
Adams Æbler
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
May 18 2009 14:54 GMT
#1075
On May 18 2009 09:27 SilverskY wrote:
Hoh shiet, a TVT BO.

Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Kim_Hyun_Han
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
706 Posts
May 18 2009 15:48 GMT
#1076
Stylish awesomeness meter: overload!
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
May 18 2009 16:17 GMT
#1077
Thnx guys!

Poll: What do you want next?
(Vote): TvT 1Fac 1Port
(Vote): TvT 14cc
(Vote): TvP 3fact vult
(Vote): TvP 6factpush
(Vote): TvZ Alternate 14cc
(Vote): Something Else (ask)
Results:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I'll try to record VODs when I can use Camtasia and Virtual Dub again. Until then, you'll have to settle with replays and buildorders.

I will upload gamereplays later, I've only been back for 2 days since I got my computer and I just succeeded in removinig acceleration from my mouse so I will need some time to get back into the game.

Questions asked here about the strats might end up in the FAQ amongst other general issues regarding the different builds.

Bronco:
Np, glad you found them!
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Adeny
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway1233 Posts
May 18 2009 16:50 GMT
#1078
I'd love to see a counter to protoss going double expo off of 2 gates, and you open standard FD. There's 3fact FE but I feel that's too much of a "hit or miss" type build. I think you're supposed to 4 fact, 1 addon against it? But my timings and builds with it is so bad that I just end up taking a fast third myself. Also how did you post your previous post tomorrow? It's 18th may today, not 19th.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
May 18 2009 17:02 GMT
#1079
Adeny:

Try the 5factpush.

TL time (korean) = 19th now.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
-StrifeX-
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States529 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-18 17:04:54
May 18 2009 17:02 GMT
#1080
On May 19 2009 01:50 Adeny wrote:
I'd love to see a counter to protoss going double expo off of 2 gates, and you open standard FD. There's 3fact FE but I feel that's too much of a "hit or miss" type build. I think you're supposed to 4 fact, 1 addon against it? But my timings and builds with it is so bad that I just end up taking a fast third myself. Also how did you post your previous post tomorrow? It's 18th may today, not 19th.



This would actually be one that would be interesting to see since it is very common.


I would like to see some kind of quick 3rd build on like python or open map like that. I seem to struggle with it a lot on python and maps close to the same.
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