EPTOn January 01 2009 03:41 zerofear wrote:
btw wich your best rank on icc? ( to the guy wrote this guide).
btw wich your best rank on icc? ( to the guy wrote this guide).
This is a translated guide; it wasn't created here.
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
On December 30 2008 05:10 Incognito wrote: @ GinNtoniC I'm not an expert at this build, as even I've only seen it a couple times. I believe +1 attack comes before templar archives. You'll get 100 more gas before the citadel is finished, so spend it on +1. The two cannons are only needed if theres a 9 pool/overpool. If its 12 hatch, just do 14 nexus, and if there still isnt a pool, you can go gate then plop down your cannons. I'm not sure about your other two questions, but I believe your sair should be able to scout mutas before you need to put up cannons at your main. If no mutas are coming, you can place your gates first. You're absolutely correct about that first statement. You normally get +1 as soon as you have gas for it after the citadel. You will still be able to afford a corsair, zeal speed and temp archives as soon as they can be built if you made your second assimilator at the apropriate time. Also from what I can tell from pro games and most high level protoss players they usually do 2 cannons before nex vs 9 pool and overpool like you said, 1 cannon nex vs 12 pool and nex first vs 13 hatch. But that's on most of the maps played right now and if the distances get shorter or further you might get away with different builds so I'd say it's best to play by heart. Try and time it by seing hp on the pool. | ||
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Centric
United States1989 Posts
On December 23 2008 12:43 SuperJongMan wrote: - Because the timing between citadel and robo branches are so similar, it is often a good idea to construct them around the nat by habit. Also, robos are better constructed there anyways in case of defence. I love the guide...thanks so much for sharing dude. I was wondering if you could clarify this statement a little, as I didn't really understand it. | ||
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OmgIRok
Taiwan2699 Posts
 Why not just call it 4gate timing push? | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
On January 01 2009 11:51 Centric wrote: I love the guide...thanks so much for sharing dude. I was wondering if you could clarify this statement a little, as I didn't really understand it. If you build stuff by the nat, advantages = Harder to scout since cannons are already there. If you go robo, and a fast hydra break comes, the key reaver may come and save you. If misplaced like by main nexus, -_-;; You can see how that would be problematic as reavers are no speedy. The disadvantages to such a build placement would be if you suck at placement and trap yourself up... but I guess sucking is a pretty general disadvantage all around. | ||
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Love.Zelduck
United States170 Posts
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pink)speed
United States12 Posts
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SpriteLove
United States226 Posts
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zeppelin
United States565 Posts
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On January 04 2009 12:44 zeppelin wrote: Would love to see some B/C replays of this build to see what the timing is relative to the zerg's build and how to react to different variations. But it is already explained. Play the build out just as described and you will clearly see that just about everything in this guide is accurate. This is how I've been playing my PvZ lately and it makes the match-up even more interesting (though I find PvZ to be the most interesting MU). | ||
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bitchaRd[raGe]
Russian Federation376 Posts
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stiga
United States377 Posts
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Crompee
United Kingdom27 Posts
Just curious, do you have any pictures of how to setup your FE with cannons to protect your gateway from hydra's? and once my corsair spots the All-In Hydra Push.. how many cannons should i be placing down? | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
On January 05 2009 09:54 Crompee wrote: Just curious, do you have any pictures of how to setup your FE with cannons to protect your gateway from hydra's? and once my corsair spots the All-In Hydra Push.. how many cannons should i be placing down? On December 23 2008 12:43 SuperJongMan wrote: * The Defence - - If unsure of the zergs exact intentions, another photon up front for 3 isn't a bad choice. - Pure Hydra Break - Cancel all probes and cannon like no tomorrow. Magu Magu Photon Photon. - If hydras are trying to fast break the gate, bring a probe up to the gate and getting ready to re-construct the gate to buy extra time is a good option. - If the Zorg went fast 2 hatch gas and the tech is SUPA FAST~ at about SG completion time, put 1-2 photon at the main. and Building Placement - http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=62652 | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
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Tropics
United Kingdom1132 Posts
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Pyro]v[aniac
United States147 Posts
On December 23 2008 12:43 SuperJongMan wrote: - If the Zorg went fast 2 hatch gas and the tech is SUPA FAST~ at about SG completion time, put 1-2 photon at the main. what is SG completion time? sorry if its a dumb question... | ||
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Tropics
United Kingdom1132 Posts
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zeppelin
United States565 Posts
On January 04 2009 13:14 Amber[LighT] wrote: But it is already explained. Play the build out just as described and you will clearly see that just about everything in this guide is accurate. This is how I've been playing my PvZ lately and it makes the match-up even more interesting (though I find PvZ to be the most interesting MU). Assuming they're going 5 hatch (i.e. not doing anything to force you to put down more cannons) how much pop do you have when you move out? What's your response to a pure hydra build? It would just be interesting to see players better than me executing the build so that I'm able to fix the mistakes I'm making. | ||
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Gnojfatelob
Belgium216 Posts
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