EPTQueens ZvT and ZvP ? - Page 3
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[CS]Pablo
Brazil338 Posts
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koehli
Germany350 Posts
On June 02 2005 10:51 [CS]Pablo wrote: I've got beaten PvZ a couple of times by mass hydra + queen. Every time I think about it I find it stranger why it isn't used Z v P. The standard counter to mass hydra is HTs. By the time you have a couple of HT, the zerg has a couple of queens with broodling resarched, and it's GG. If it's not instant GG, esnare + broodling is the perfect counter to speedlots + DTs + HTs midgame. Well, HTs are like cockroaches, you never get'em all and if one or two survive, they can spoil your day. Same argument why emp doesn't work vs HTs. + The tech tree leading to DAs from DTs isn't really all that steep. I've built DAs in PvZs for lesser reasons then queens flying around and being a pain. Combine this with Macro+micro for toss being extremely simple, micro+game decisions extremely hard for Z, and you have the reasons why few zerg are stupid enough to counter templar tech with hydra queen :o | ||
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DooMeR
United States1519 Posts
On May 31 2005 23:34 lil.sis wrote: ret owned me zvt with mass queens T.T 4 or 5 lurkers and broodlinged all my tanks gg i couldnt leave my base :'( sounds like something that woman liker would do -.-; | ||
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88)WhyYouKickMyDog
United States608 Posts
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[CS]Pablo
Brazil338 Posts
On June 03 2005 09:37 88)WhyYouKickMyDog wrote: http://www.people.virginia.edu/~fgt4w/kickdog_vs_iloveoov.rep ROFL  | ||
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prOxi.swAMi
Australia3091 Posts
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MaGnIfIcA
Norway2312 Posts
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LazyTorrasque
United States125 Posts
when u broodling them. rep: http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=28383 | ||
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XDawn
Canada4040 Posts
On June 01 2005 15:43 FireBlast! wrote: Did anyone see Jju vs iloveoov game 1 UZOO MSL? Oov was owning Jju with early cloak wraith build then suddenly a queen enters the scene, ensnares about 12+ cloaked wraiths and they get decimated by muta+scourge. Oov types GG about a min after. Very fun game! The commentators were saying how queens are considered effective vs cloaked wraiths only in theory, but were left speechless when this happened. You have a VOD of it? I'd love to see it | ||
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8882
2737 Posts
On June 01 2005 22:15 ZiNiZTeR wrote: parasite is nice in ZvZ.. one time i played , i was suspected of map hacking... he was so annoyed when i attack so timely after his muta goes out of his base............ and after a while he noticed one of his muta has parasite.... ^^ how the hell didnt he notice it? parasited units have green wireframe and controlling mutas is like 20% of the actions in zvz O_O | ||
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decafchicken
United States20178 Posts
On June 03 2005 09:37 88)WhyYouKickMyDog wrote: http://www.people.virginia.edu/~fgt4w/kickdog_vs_iloveoov.rep LMAO <3 the art | ||
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[CS]Pablo
Brazil338 Posts
On June 03 2005 07:09 koehli wrote: Well, HTs are like cockroaches, you never get'em all and if one or two survive, they can spoil your day. Same argument why emp doesn't work vs HTs. + The tech tree leading to DAs from DTs isn't really all that steep. I've built DAs in PvZs for lesser reasons then queens flying around and being a pain. Combine this with Macro+micro for toss being extremely simple, micro+game decisions extremely hard for Z, and you have the reasons why few zerg are stupid enough to counter templar tech with hydra queen :o it's not like the Z must kill all the HTs, but more the other way around. Specially in the first hydra attack, usually the P is the one that needs all the (usually 2 or 3) HTs that he can get. Even killing 1 or 2 may twist the battle to zerg's favour big time. 4-hatch hydra is very little gas-intensive, so if you have two gasses you probably would have 4 or 5 hydras less for getting the queen's nest, a couple of queens and researched broodling.Trading that for two less storms is a great deal IMHO. | ||
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lil.sis
China4650 Posts
that was cute | ||
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Casper...
Liberia4948 Posts
pvz on dire same thing over and over again people would make queens and broodling my temps i'd keep making temps and keep expanding and hold my stuff he'd give up and go guards i'd make speedscouts and slap him or people would make queens and try to scourge my shuttles i'd get hallucinate and eventually secure an exp he'd go guards i'd make speedscouts and slap him i think queens vs t ground is good queens vs p ground is pretty bad, he can keep making templar and expand at will as you slow your movement towards defiler | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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k3fka
Argentina1267 Posts
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lil.sis
China4650 Posts
On June 05 2005 08:26 Casper... wrote: i remember way back pvz on dire same thing over and over again people would make queens and broodling my temps i'd keep making temps and keep expanding and hold my stuff he'd give up and go guards i'd make speedscouts and slap him or people would make queens and try to scourge my shuttles i'd get hallucinate and eventually secure an exp he'd go guards i'd make speedscouts and slap him i think queens vs t ground is good queens vs p ground is pretty bad, he can keep making templar and expand at will as you slow your movement towards defiler holy fuck a casper post longer than three lines | ||
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Antifate
United States415 Posts
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