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Austro
Australia48 Posts
On July 02 2011 18:16 Nazza wrote: SK Terran isn't a set a build That's.... what I said. EDIT: To prevent this from being a spam post, yes. 9-minute push in TvZ should be a staple. There's a thread with an exhaustive rundown on it somewhere in this forum, linked from a pinned topic I think. | ||
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Salivanth
Australia1071 Posts
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Eun_Star
United States322 Posts
for tvz, 9 minute push is pretty good, though if you can, you're really better off doing 3 rax build to deny the zerg's third on maps like fighting spirit...or follow the trend and do the fast +1 upgrade 4/5 rax. for tvp, preferably fast third to a slow push. stylish's 5 fact push is do-able, but i'm not sure how well it would work on fighting spirit. I think Fighting Spirit > Python as the "average" map--so I'd recommend sc2 players to start off on this map. | ||
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Hatefiend
United States127 Posts
On June 25 2011 07:21 eeniebear wrote: Control group limit = more skill necessary to play the game. Also, SCBW isn't a game that breaks every game down into build order autowins and autolosses. I used to watch a lot of pro SC2, and that's all it was. Whoever did the build that was the counter, that guy always won. Wrong. StarCraft Brood War emphasizes skill on different aspects. I am amazed Blizzard hasn't updated StarCraft Brood War to fix obvious problems in the UI. Poor pathing (Dragoons hehehe), Control Group limits, worker rally point unable to target items, Zerg unable to have two rally points etc etc. Imagine taking a test at school and having them take your erasers off your pencils. Well, you can still take the test, but now it's a little bit harder/more annoying for not really any reason at all. Why should a game be harder because its user interface is harder to use, not because of the actual strategy components? It doesn't make sense. Imagine playing Starcraft without keybinds. Does that make the game harder/takes more skill to play? Of course, you can't press keys so things take longer, so only people with fast hands and good multi-tasking can play well. But that's just stupid; you ruin the concept of strategy games with that mindset. TLDR: not trolling at all, just doing a 'truth rage' that SC BW should of had components implemented in Starcraft 2. And that Strategy doesn't equal making things harder to perform mechanically. | ||
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Latedi
Sweden1027 Posts
On July 04 2011 18:54 Hatefiend wrote: Wrong. StarCraft Brood War emphasizes skill on different aspects. I am amazed Blizzard hasn't updated StarCraft Brood War to fix obvious problems in the UI. Poor pathing (Dragoons hehehe), Control Group limits, worker rally point unable to target items, Zerg unable to have two rally points etc etc. Imagine taking a test at school and having them take your erasers off your pencils. Well, you can still take the test, but now it's a little bit harder/more annoying for not really any reason at all. Why should a game be harder because its user interface is harder to use, not because of the actual strategy components? It doesn't make sense. Imagine playing Starcraft without keybinds. Does that make the game harder/takes more skill to play? Of course, you can't press keys so things take longer, so only people with fast hands and good multi-tasking can play well. But that's just stupid; you ruin the concept of strategy games with that mindset. TLDR: not trolling at all, just doing a 'truth rage' that SC BW should of had components implemented in Starcraft 2. And that Strategy doesn't equal making things harder to perform mechanically. Even so Broodwar was a lot more challenging than Starcraft II in forms of strategy, multitasking etc. Broodwar being harder mechanically is also a good thing. What if everyone could run 10m/s while playing soccer? | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5708 Posts
On July 04 2011 18:54 Hatefiend wrote: Wrong. StarCraft Brood War emphasizes skill on different aspects. I am amazed Blizzard hasn't updated StarCraft Brood War to fix obvious problems in the UI. Poor pathing (Dragoons hehehe), Control Group limits, worker rally point unable to target items, Zerg unable to have two rally points etc etc. Imagine taking a test at school and having them take your erasers off your pencils. Well, you can still take the test, but now it's a little bit harder/more annoying for not really any reason at all. Why should a game be harder because its user interface is harder to use, not because of the actual strategy components? It doesn't make sense. Imagine playing Starcraft without keybinds. Does that make the game harder/takes more skill to play? Of course, you can't press keys so things take longer, so only people with fast hands and good multi-tasking can play well. But that's just stupid; you ruin the concept of strategy games with that mindset. TLDR: not trolling at all, just doing a 'truth rage' that SC BW should of had components implemented in Starcraft 2. And that Strategy doesn't equal making things harder to perform mechanically. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=62217 "From now on, anyone using the "Dune argument" will be temp banned. No warnings, just banned. For those of you unaware of what it is, here's an explanation: The "Dune argument" is that if we are so worried about skill, and think MBS is so detrimental to this, why don't we revert back to the Dune UI, where you could only select one unit at a time. The counter-argument to this is obvious: If you want everything to be so easy, why don't we turn the game into an interactive movie? Why don't we just have the computer macro for you, and you can control the units! See how silly both of these arguments are? This type of argumentation leads nowhere, as what's important is finding a balance, not going to various extremes to make silly points. Thank you for your co-operation, - FrozenArbiter" | ||
ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1704 Posts
 coming up later today. I'll put up a seperate video for dealing with some of the stuff which has cropped up in this thread (though the third from last comment may need my attention ASAP) | ||
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human_ko
Russian Federation676 Posts
its been two weeks and no guides, did I miss those ? | ||
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TheGlassface
United States612 Posts
On July 04 2011 21:53 maybenexttime wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=62217 "From now on, anyone using the "Dune argument" will be temp banned. No warnings, just banned. For those of you unaware of what it is, here's an explanation: The "Dune argument" is that if we are so worried about skill, and think MBS is so detrimental to this, why don't we revert back to the Dune UI, where you could only select one unit at a time. The counter-argument to this is obvious: If you want everything to be so easy, why don't we turn the game into an interactive movie? Why don't we just have the computer macro for you, and you can control the units! See how silly both of these arguments are? This type of argumentation leads nowhere, as what's important is finding a balance, not going to various extremes to make silly points. Thank you for your co-operation, - FrozenArbiter" So, should I point out 1) Off topic, starting to make this thread more and more into the usual BW VS SC2 jank and you didn't even bother to type anything, just copy and pasted (adding to more of the problem) 2) The quote you just *had* to use is from the SC 2 forum guidelines. This is the BW forum. On topic : I was thinking, what might be very helpful/interesting/just plain fun is to get that old video of Boxer V Hiya that has subtitles up. I learned so much form that VOD Also, when do you think we can get a preview of your first one? I'm very excited to see where this goes. Is there a new player channel? Should we work to put something together like that? Maybe even something like a newb tourney? | ||
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ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1704 Posts
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Magus
Canada450 Posts
On July 04 2011 21:53 maybenexttime wrote: Why don't we just have the computer macro for you, and you can control the units! The saddest part of that, is I saw a "review" for SC2 on a website that basically said it was bad because you had to manually make units and everyone would rush you and only make one type of unit. So apparently some people don't think that argument is silly.  OT: Looking forward to seeing how this guide shapes up. I'm excited! | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
I'm watching it live now, and it might be a really good overview for people who know nothing about BW, and then into more detailed stuff. It's aimed at the super-noobs who've never heard of BW. | ||
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Mr. Enchilada
United States274 Posts
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mansa
Philippines336 Posts
 @Ribbon SC2:BW ain't broodwar in SC2. It just doesn't feel like BW. If you get what I mean. | ||
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xarthaz
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Zariel
Australia1285 Posts
Oh god... the amount of times I see 5 probes just sitting infront of my mineral patch doing nothing.... then I say to myself.. "hey... my 12 nex is a little bit late isnt it?!" | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
Everyone please stop whining about SC2 and BW and make this thread useful again. | ||
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AfecksN
United Kingdom53 Posts
Really looking forward to this! ^_^ | ||
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ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1704 Posts
EDIT: Sorted, keep checking OP for the first part! Any minute now... | ||
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ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1704 Posts
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