EPTGuide for players switching from SC2 - Page 11
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Mr. Enchilada
United States274 Posts
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On July 07 2011 17:23 Mr. Enchilada wrote: For sure dude. But I have a question, I am using this for sc2 practice. Is there ANY mod out there that added (i think its called this  MBS? Manually telling each work to mine is bothering me so much! I recognize that when transferring back that mental space could be use maybe to check chtono or something, but for now I would really rather do without.SC2:BW has an "Easy Mode" that has MBS and Unlimited Unit Selection, but it's not really the same. | ||
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LastWish
2015 Posts
On July 07 2011 08:34 Ribbon wrote: I feel that this is kind of insulting to SC2 fans who are putting in a lot of effort to try to push SC2 as the Big E-Sport, and who buy tickets for GSLs and MLGs instead of pirating everything, tune in to one of the various talk shows about SC2, watch the After Hours Gaming League which is designed to spread e-sports to people not normally inclined, etc. etc. etc. SC2 fans can actually get nearly evangelical about it. Having that blown off by BW fans actually makes SC2 fans disinclined to try BW. I think, if you want to convert, "SC2 is really good but BW is even better" is a better message than "SC2 is terrible, and everyone who likes SC2 is terrible", which can come out of the BW fanbase sometimes. I mean, granted, there's always that one SC2 fan in every goddamn thread going "LOL BW has old graphic = it sucks" and making me ashamed to be associated with him, but postive messages are more easily accepted. I'm not trying to convert anyone.. And don't get me wrong I don't hate SC2, even I started to play it because I have friends who do play it and I wanted to have something to talk/play with them. However I didn't like all the marketing, artificial hype, where SC2 was pushed out the blue to the pro-play right after the release(or even in the beta stage). This unnatural force makes me feel little respect for the game and the people behind the marketing campaign. I love how BW developed naturally to the position it's in. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
Holy crap! Its magical. I actually had better army control since i only had 12 units in a control group. I was taking thirds on fighting spirit and sandwiching tank pushes from three sides like the good old days. It was really fun. I would have lost horribly if i wasn't playing my friend who hadn't played in a similar amount of time. I took my mouse hand off the mouse to 4d5d6d7d8d ;p Playing bw is so good for starcraft 2 players and humans everywhere. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On July 07 2011 20:27 LastWish wrote: I'm not trying to convert anyone.. And don't get me wrong I don't hate SC2, even I started to play it because I have friends who do play it and I wanted to have something to talk/play with them. However I didn't like all the marketing, artificial hype, where SC2 was pushed out the blue to the pro-play right after the release(or even in the beta stage). This unnatural force makes me feel little respect for the game and the people behind the marketing campaign. I love how BW developed naturally to the position it's in. KeSPA was founded in 2000. And anyway, Blizz hasn't actually pushed SC2 as an e-sport that much (something SC2 fans are unhappy with them for). The official ladder has bad-for-tourney-play maps (I mean, look at this. Imagine BW on these maps!), and pretty much all they do is put ads for major SC2 tournaments on the official SC2 web site. Both games became big (or as big as they are) because of the dedication of the fans and more than a little prodding from large interests (KeSPA, OnGameNet, Tooniverse way back when, GOM, MLG, Anibox now). Anyway, bringing this back to topic, a friendly open demeanor is more convincing than an elitist hipster one, which I see a lot, sadly  | ||
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Mr. Enchilada
United States274 Posts
On July 07 2011 17:37 Ribbon wrote: SC2:BW has an "Easy Mode" that has MBS and Unlimited Unit Selection, but it's not really the same. Lol I know. But I think you missed my other posts in this thread. I can't run sc2 on the computer I will now be using for a while. So I am playing brood war just to keep my sc2 skills up. But the mining thing makes it a little hard to trick myself into "practicing" sc2 things as it is quite different. If I could run SC2: BW I would just play sc2! I want a mod with MBS! lol | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On July 08 2011 11:22 Mr. Enchilada wrote: Lol I know. But I think you missed my other posts in this thread. I can't run sc2 on the computer I will now be using for a while. So I am playing brood war just to keep my sc2 skills up. But the mining thing makes it a little hard to trick myself into "practicing" sc2 things as it is quite different. If I could run SC2: BW I would just play sc2! I want a mod with MBS! lol Ah. Then no. BW fans don't really like MBS, so there's no demand. Even if such a mod did exist, you wouldn't be able to play with anyone, because no one cares about it. Playing BW to learn SC2 in any meaningful way (except - maybe - good tank positioning in TvT where both players go mech) is as silly as the reverse, though. That's why most of the BW B-teamers who switched to SC2 fell off the face of the earth after a while. Unless you're below platinum, in which case playing without MBS is actually ideal, because if you're below platinum you need to train your mechanics/apm. If you want to play BW, play BW. If you want to play SC2, use SC2. If you want BW with MBS, SC2BW Easymode. Those are your options. (SC2BW Hard Mode is for people like me who can't open ports on their routers ;_;) If you can't play SC2 and want to do something to help you with it, there are like 50 really good streams at all times. | ||
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Magus
Canada450 Posts
If you find it hard to keep coming back to your base to put workers on minerals just think of it as practicing your multitask. Try and make sure you visit your base even during battles if you aren't going to die from positioning wrong. | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On July 06 2011 08:56 Mr. Enchilada wrote: Question: how do you use your control groups? 5-0 being gateways and/or robo/stargates? And 1-4 are units? 6 doesn't seem like enough. And what about my nexi? I have to say I enjoy sc2s multiple building selection. I heard a bit that the F2-F5 keys are used for camera... Do you use 5 and 6 for nexi until midgame then switch them to gates and make your camera groups the bases and click to make probes? 90 For nexuses (P is too far for fkeys) 8 for stargate / scouting probe 7 for robo / first zealot 45678 early gateways 123456 units, need everything grouped for flanking tanks and taking down undefended bases quickly. fkeys for gateways/bases. If you are playing Terran i find it more efficient to use fkeys for command centers and send scv -> make scv. You will have more hotkeys for production buildings then. Zerg 4sz5sz6sz1a2a3a | ||
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Mr. Enchilada
United States274 Posts
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
If it's "too hard", fucking deal with it. Consider it a multi-tasking trainer, if you must. If you can't even build units in BW, how do you expect to get out of Silver in SC2? | ||
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Nazza
Australia1654 Posts
On July 08 2011 11:22 Mr. Enchilada wrote: Lol I know. But I think you missed my other posts in this thread. I can't run sc2 on the computer I will now be using for a while. So I am playing brood war just to keep my sc2 skills up. But the mining thing makes it a little hard to trick myself into "practicing" sc2 things as it is quite different. If I could run SC2: BW I would just play sc2! I want a mod with MBS! lol If you BW and you manually rally workers you won't play SC2 and start manually telling workers to mine. Trust me, dude. It's not something you have to worry about lol. If you learn how to use a single hotkey eg. 6 for a barracks in the center of other barracks, and then spam M to make rines from all of them, it's the same basic skill that requires you to have good timing to keep up with your macro. It's not like once you get into SC2 you'll start using SBS for everything. I mean all you are doing is basically practicing moving the mouse, spending your money, and having good macro timings anyways. Those basic skills will transfer. Why are you worried? Uh, you can't actually play SC2 builds in BW though, except maybe forge fe. | ||
ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1690 Posts
But seriously, just playing BW just to try and keep SC2 skills up might feel a bit thankless and difficult. It's not really something you can just dip into so much. SC2 builds won't work in BW. | ||
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Lumire
United States607 Posts
On July 09 2011 11:24 Ribbon wrote: If it's mechanics you want to practice, play BW without any bullshit. If it's "too hard", fucking deal with it. Consider it a multi-tasking trainer, if you must. If you can't even build units in BW, how do you expect to get out of Silver in SC2? Exactly, trying to play BW with MBS just destroys any chance you have of improving, in both games. | ||
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ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1690 Posts
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NationInArms
United States1553 Posts
So far I've disabled unit icons and I usually put latency to high or highest while on iccup. I also use CCleaner to take out everything I don't need (Internet Cache, Recycle Bin, etc). | ||
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Magus
Canada450 Posts
On July 12 2011 08:45 NationInArms wrote: Does anybody know what BW's lowest graphics settings are? My laptop has a hard time running BW (I have 512 mb RAM) and I can't play the game for more then 30 minutes. So far I've disabled unit icons and I usually put latency to high or highest while on iccup. I also use CCleaner to take out everything I don't need (Internet Cache, Recycle Bin, etc). Hard time like what? Lagging? In singleplayer or only in multiplayer? Also how old is your computer? This game is from 1998 it should work. | ||
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ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1690 Posts
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littlefighter
43 Posts
On July 12 2011 08:45 NationInArms wrote: Does anybody know what BW's lowest graphics settings are? My laptop has a hard time running BW (I have 512 mb RAM) and I can't play the game for more then 30 minutes. So far I've disabled unit icons and I usually put latency to high or highest while on iccup. I also use CCleaner to take out everything I don't need (Internet Cache, Recycle Bin, etc). If you get a black or blue screen after playing for 30 minutes, it could mean your graphics card is overheating, maybe because the fan broke or something. That happened to my desktop. | ||
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NationInArms
United States1553 Posts
Problem solved, I had to enable CPU throttling. Thanks for everything. | ||
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