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I think there is a lot of potential for playing standard PvZ/TvZ on iccup that will help TvZ in SC2.
1st obvious reason is BW forces you to get better multitask much faster than SC2. I went from BW to SC2, but I've seen high level players who have played SC2 for ages and still only has 100 apm, but BW players always end up getting very high apm.
Bisu Build 2.0 will teach you how to manage your army while doing drop play because you have to control your sairs and prevent them from getting killed by scourge/hydra/spores, you also need to focus on drops and micro managing squads of zealots/dts at each base.
It will also teach you how to manage ghosts, as protecting your HTs from mutas/hydras and psi-storming, is kind of like ghosts vs infestor.
Marine vs Lurker will teach you to do a million other things while still splitting your marines. Good marine split is one thing, but so many people do marine splits and then bank a ton of money, imagine doing marine splits while macroing your army.
Tank Marine vs Lurker ling = obvious. You learn to siege and unsiege tanks while doing a million other things.
Its a stretch but in the general sense of increasing mechanics, they should improve faster with BW.
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So I'd like to try and learn BW but one thing that is holding me back is the fact theres only 800 people online right now according to ICCUP's website and I'm sure lots of those are koreans / top players with very very few being new players.
Is this information wrong? Is there a different server to play on?
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On July 13 2011 05:35 Razith wrote:
So I'd like to try and learn BW but one thing that is holding me back is the fact theres only 800 people online right now according to ICCUP's website and I'm sure lots of those are koreans / top players with very very few being new players.
Is this information wrong? Is there a different server to play on?
I'm pretty sure that ICCup is the biggest non-korean server. Most koreans go on Fish or Brain and are all really good. Most of the ICCup population is around D-/D/D+ (I think, this is from experience). In the top 10 right now on ICCup, 3 Koreans, 3 USA, 3 Poland, and 1 Russan. There are new/bad players on ICCup. You can also use the Practice Partner thread to play games against gamers your skill level too. The only other non-korean servers I can think of right now is the SC2GG server and VetServer. Both are really small with maybe less than 20 active players (the sc2gg forum is very much active though (^-^) ).
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One thing I did when I started iccup around 5 months ago was PM everyone in the practice partner thread that was around my level. This helped jump start my friends list. After that it's all about (the channels) op teamliquid, and op sgs.
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Next video is up!! sorry for the delays all, I will be more prompt in future. Enjoy, plenty of feedback 
Edit: and also, please leave feedback in this thread, as it will keep people looking and commenting which drives the project. Not that I don't love comments on youtube ^^
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Hmm, I liked it. I don't really have anything else to say, but no one replied to it yet, so...
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Hehe thank you Peterblue. Yeah, it just seems that people almost exclusively read the threads shown on the left, without paying much attention to the lower ones. Oh well, I'll keep coming out with more stuff. Back to focusing on individual points of the game now.
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Your comment on self-driven improvement is so true. In BW I reckon there's this culture that you can improve by repeatedly smashing yourself against other players.
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Dunno :/
Although these Videos are not bad, they lack something that gave me this "How on Earth did I miss this awesome Game for so many years !?" - Feeling I got when I started watching the early D9Ds during SC2 Beta.
But I really cant tell what that something is... sry for beeing so vague :/
Sidenote: Hold of my first 2 Fact PvT :D
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Yeah I'm sorry I'm not as awesome as Day9. I'm not being sarcastic; I am sorry.
But I don't have the luxury of 10 years of experience, and slowly working my way into it. I'm trying to come straight in and fill a gap, after only a coupla years playing. But I think I will get better.
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Actually the 2nd Vid is a lot better than the first one. Just keep up and dont listen to me :>
I might be too biased torwards ultra-deep analysis.
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Is there a way for someone to play something like ICCUP but with a mac? *Not necessarily ICCUP, a trying to get a good 1v1 b.net game is kind of difficult due to the fact most people only play minigames.
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play melee games, they are unranked and so unpressured and dont show up on your record.
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Imba/Elegant these are great videos and I really hope you keep making them! I think that considering you've just started your presentation skills are very good and you you seem to keenly understand how to maintain the viewer's interest.
Can't wait for the third episode because the BW community deserves such great content!
PS: I think you're every bit as awesome as Day9, and you've only just begun so stick with it man.
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Mkay, time to make another video. This time, gonna be taking a look at a game, with extra focus on the reaver. Also a healthy dose of everything else in the match.
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I've started the campaign lately, out of curiosity after watching your intro videos, and I have to say, I'm looking forward to getting into multiplayer as I haven't spent ten hours straight playing one game for ages. It takes a lot of patience to switch from grid to old layout, but I can see how much more fun it will be in real matches. That being said, I thank you very much sir. I'm looking forward to new videos - keep up the good work.
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Next episode is up. Man it sucks being suddenly busy!!
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Edit: nvm found the answer
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I'll be uploading more in a day or two. Any questions feel free to ask here/on my channel.
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