EPTAm I stopping probe production at the right time? - Page 2
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pheered.user
United States2603 Posts
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pheered.user
United States2603 Posts
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pheered.user
United States2603 Posts
How can you guys say you are good at pvp and say never stop making probes? when i scout someone going nonstop probes with my obs I instantly go 5gate goons or get speed zeals and attack the second that I see their nexus, its like autowin. | ||
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SexyMedic
United States282 Posts
On January 30 2005 20:10 pheered.user wrote: seriously, If there is a matchup that I know anything about it is PVP, I could easily put myself in top 5 pvp in the USA. I find it extremely ironic for someone who claims to be top 5 pvp USA to not be able to discern whether or not they made enough probes. Also, stop being such a dickhead. People here were offering you advice to the best of their knowledge. You were such an ass that nobody even chimed in until you started making yourself seem desperate, i.e. "  " in the 2nd post. If you don't want personal input don't post your kvetchy shit on a public forum. And since you are the self proclaimed pvp master, why are you asking us? Certainly there must only be only a handful of people at your level that can offer you any real advice. Or more appropriately, why don't you play them and have them spank the ungrateful snot out of you, watch the replay, and learn for yourself when to stop probe production instead of coming here and berating the same people that replied in an attempt to help you. | ||
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BlaZnDReaMe
United States52 Posts
obviously, by watching the replay we know you suck, why try to talk shit behind it...? | ||
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pheered.user
United States2603 Posts
I wish sometimes that I could say one thing without 20 of you guys jumping on my back and beating me with a fucking stick. Seriously how many good protoss players do you know in the USA? and i like to hear other peoples opinions, but you are fucking stupid if you dont stop probes for a time in pvp because you will lose vs anyone good. | ||
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Baki
Canada36 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28875 Posts
stopping after 23-24-25 is pretty good. 41 supply with units seems reasonable. anyone who makes more than 30 doesn't know why, or if they think they do, they're wrong. | ||
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MgZ)Flayer
Finland50 Posts
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gulii
Sweden2795 Posts
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baal
10708 Posts
 , calculating the probe count is efficient but also a risk, a reaver drop with 1 blow will set you back a lot, and the expo transfer wont be as good.Yeah you will have 3 more goons, still how many times does that win a game in the stages where you stop probe production. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28875 Posts
more probes are only useful if you expand. if you both expand and make additional probes, someone who does not expand and stops probes after ~24 will attack you and kill you. | ||
RaGe
Belgium9950 Posts
You have to know how much income you SHOULD have with a certain amount of chunks on a certain time.If you stop probe production in order to expand you shouldnt disturb this too much.It also depends on what happened in the game before you started expanding..i.e. If you teched reaver and got his probecount a bit lower,but managed to keep it and want to expand about a minute later you can keep on making probes easily,since the reaver will defend your expand easily with the amount of goons that will not be much lower than your opponent's 24 probes is a good amount,but I don't think you should start calculating it.If anything makes a P player good at PvP it's experience and the gamefeel that you can only get by playing it a lot. But err..you probably know this already | ||
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[G]Max_Power
Slovakia304 Posts
On January 30 2005 22:18 Liquid`Drone wrote: you did not stop too early at least stopping after 23-24-25 is pretty good. 41 supply with units seems reasonable. anyone who makes more than 30 doesn't know why, or if they think they do, they're wrong. In SOME cases what you wrote is just wrong. | ||
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[G]Max_Power
Slovakia304 Posts
On January 30 2005 19:55 FroST(TE) wrote: pheered - my best mu is pvp and i can say im pretty good at it =| i know i dont stop probe production for that long until i get up to the 130's or 140's i guess its just my style but it is possible to play that way ~_~ sounds ok to me  | ||
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[G]Max_Power
Slovakia304 Posts
I can have 40 probes (@ limit 80) and win against COMPETENT players.It is very much possible.So the 23-24-25 numbers seems pretty small. And I dont have expo. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28875 Posts
and what I wrote is wrong on maps with longer walking distance than temple, and maps where you can expand behind your main. | ||
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[G]Max_Power
Slovakia304 Posts
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RaGe
Belgium9950 Posts
On January 31 2005 07:07 [G]Max_Power wrote: i dont care if you think its retarded.What is important is that i can beat competent players with 40 probes@80 limit huh? I can beat standard lt open players with nukerush. It doesn't matter.If you can beat competent players with 40 probes you're just dumb cause you could beat better players with a brain. god,have you ever thought about what you wrote? | ||
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KillerPenguin
United States516 Posts
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